Milkovic Pendulum motorized Hybrid

[i_ron]

I am not a big scientific person, I just know how to make it run right.

Matt

Another point... number 20 has a resistance of around 10 ohms per 1000 feet.
If your winds are 165 feet, then this is say 1.65 ohms per strand.

Eight strands in parallel brings this down to .2 ohms, this means you are pulling 60 amps on startup?

Ron

[Matthew Jones]

Hey i-ron

I'll get ya what I can over this weekend but at the moment I am laying here dying from the flu. Have a little patients and I'll go through this and get what you need.

I hope you understand.

Matt

[i_ron]

Hey i-ron

I'll get ya what I can over this weekend but at the moment I am laying here dying from the flu. Have a little patients and I'll go through this and get what you need.

I hope you understand.

Matt

Good to hear you are feeling better!

Ron

[woopy]

Hi all

just 2 more cents on this very interesting experiment

good luck at all

YouTube - onepulse bouncer experiment.wmv

[Matthew Jones]

Hi all
just 2 more cents on this very interesting experiment
good luck at all
YouTube - onepulse bouncer experiment.wmv

I like it!!



Matt

[conradelektro]

Woopy Bouncer with Generator Coil

@Woopy:

Attached see a drawing depicting a possible way of adding a magnet in front of a coil to generate electricity with the Woopy Bouncer.

The principle idea is not from me, I saw a similar thing somewhere at the Milkovic web site (this drawing is also attached).

Greetings, Conrad

[woopy]

Hi Conrad

this system seems very interesting

but the way i see it working is the following

1- get as free as possible freewheeling of the rotor , so if you held the pendulum at 12 oclok and let it going it will almost recover 2/3 of rotation.(about 10 oclok)

2- get the most efficient mean to power the rotor to overcome the 1/3 of rotation so it can FALL by gravity and inertia and by the way creating a lot of centrifugal force so it goes to point 1.

That means that you have to AVOID TO TRY TO TAKE OUT ANY ENERGY FROM THE ROTATION- IT MUST BE TOTALLY FREE.

the energy is stocked in the collateral bouncing.

So for instance with my very efficient attrapulsion system the pendulum consumes at 12 volt a very low 20 ma current draw (0.24 watt). But when the system begins to go in resonance ,i can assure you that i have to hold my desk against vibration.

So the work here is to understand how to correctly use the collateral output of the main system.

And a pix of my new setup to make some more precise testing of all that stuff

good night at all

laurent

[kcarring]

woopy

What if you had a very, very rigid torqy step motor with a large wheel gear attached to the main, small drive gear, and the large wheel was permanently attached to an arm off the business end of the milkovic, such that the radius of motion it followed, match the curve. sorry for the rough drawing, but i think you'd get what i mean. then you'd rectify all the 4 phases to DC.



* in hindsite the motor would be better positioned in the opposite direction, towards the pendelum side such that the curvature or radius of the step up gear matched the natural curve that the hammer motion followed.

[conradelektro]

Hi Conrad

That means that you have to AVOID TO TRY TO TAKE OUT ANY ENERGY FROM THE ROTATION- IT MUST BE TOTALLY FREE.

the energy is stocked in the collateral bouncing.

So for instance with my very efficient attrapulsion system the pendulum consumes at 12 volt a very low 20 ma current draw (0.24 watt). But when the system begins to go in resonance ,i can assure you that i have to hold my desk against vibration.

So the work here is to understand how to correctly use the collateral output of the main system.

laurent

@Woopy:

My drawing (with the bouncing magnet on the long thin steel strip in front of a generator coil) was misleading, because I omitted your very efficient attrapulsion system (0.24 Watt). It should of course still be there (it is the driving means). See the attached corrected drawing.

The bouncing magnet in front of a coil is intended to recover energy (in the form of electricity) from the collateral output (from this strong vibration).

Your pendulum (with the attrapulsion drive) creates a lot of energy in the form of vibrations or short shocks. Now, what can one do with this unusual form of energy? The idea is, to transform this short shocks (vibrations, hammer strockes) into electricity by making a magnet bounce in front of a coil (instead of rocking your table). The coil acts then like a dynamo and should output some sort of sine wave or at least spikes, which could be rectified and fed back into your battery driving the attrapulsion system.

The questions are:

How big and how heavy can the magnet be? (The stronger the magnet, the more electricity will be induced into the coil.)

How long will the arc of the swinging movement of the magnet be? (The longer the arc, the faster the magnet will pass by the coil, and again the more electricity will be induced into the coil.)

Imagine the big magnet being whipped up to a great swing by your attrapulsion drive because of the long springy steel strip (the steel strip can bend). It is of course difficult to match the length of the steel strip with the frequency of the bouncing induced by your attrapulsion drive. So, the length of the long steel strip should be adjustable.

One could use a 5 mm carbon rod instead of the thin steel strip. I put a 20 mm steel ball at the end of a 500 mm long and 5 mm diameter carbon rod and by moving my hand (holding the other end of the carbon rod) just a little (like the nodding of your pendulum), I could make the steel ball swing up and down at least 150 mm (length of the arc), because the carbon rod bends nicely up and down (the movement is restricted, because the carbon rod allows only a certain amount of bending before wanting to bend back in a straight line).

On could use three coils, one in front of the magnet, and one on each side.

Greetings, Conrad

[Gdez]

pedolo trigger

@conrad,
You might like this video
YouTube - Ferruccio Beltramone - pendolo con fantastico trigger IV parte 1
close caption at the bottom

[Matos de Matos]

the energy is stocked in the collateral bouncing.

laurent

Good job. I like it.
Now you have to set up the generator and the last vid oscillator shows a very interesting set up.
They power the coil to oscillate the bar. You shall do the other way and probably use an array of small coils in an arc configuration to use the maximum amplitude of the oscillating bar. Linear generator in an arc.
David

PS - Laurent, you can use a shaken flashlight type, heck this up:
http://www.electroniccrafts.org/?n=Main.Shakelight

Shake it like a Tic-Tac!

[conradelektro]

Transforming a small nod into a wide swing

@Gdez: Yes, this video shows what I imagined concerning the generation of electricity in coil when a magnet swings by repeatedly. (Of course I do not intend to use a push-pull electronics to drive the magnet, the magnet should be driven by the nod of the pendulum.)

@Matos de Matos: the shake flashlight is an other way of swinging a magnet near a coil, in this case the magnet dips into or travels through the coil. This could also be done with the magnet at the end of the steel strip, but it is mechanically more difficult than just swinging the magnet near a coil. Dipping the magnet into the center of the coil might produce more electricity than swinging it by at one end of a core? But let's do the simple "swinging by" first. Yes, multiple coils along the arc of the swinging magnet could help, but will also slow it down making the arc shorter.

I guess, one wants a very wide swing of the magnet (a very long arc) so that the magnet passes by the coil very fast (because when the magnet has to travel a long way for each nod of the pendulum, it has to move fast).

Attached see a new drawing depicting my thoughts (which is not very original, because others thought about it before I did.)

(I am always amazed by the fact that all good and bad ideas have been conceived by some one else before.)

Greetings, Conrad

[Gdez]

ideas

@conrad,
I'm liked your last post. I am not really into the bedini style stuff yet, and i had planned on doing my first monopole thingie this winter but, it just didn't happen yet. I was also told by someone else that the pendolo thing was an over-complicated setup. But as far as ideas goes, what if you had two setups like in the video, with metal strips facing in the opposite direction and you made the strips into wings, sort of like a humming birds? I wonder how much lift you would have compared to the input energy. just an idea. OR look at milkovics pendulum cart videos. If you watch them you can see that the real question is how efficiently can the energy input drive the pendulum cart?
Again, just some ideas.

[woopy]

Hi Conrad

yes i see better what you mean, and i agree it can be a good way to produce electricity.

But what puzzle me is the tremendous vibration of my
working table with drawers and scope and all stuff with only a small 0,24 watt.

When the resonance is in action, it is so strong that i can not stop it with all my force trying to block the table. I myself get in resonance
And the more weight i add at the end of the lever (if the counter spring is correctlyadapted ) the more mass get in action for the same really small input power.

So perhaps if we can stabilise the base (my table and all the rest) we can concentrate all the resonating power on your idea of a lever (could be very long ) to actuate a generator coil with good efficiency

I think every body has to build such simple device to be able to feel the power in the hand to understand what i mean.
Very interesting.

I do not say something incredible here, this is all normal but the way to get this resonant power with so small input is amazing.

I can better understand now,how a bridge in america could be destroyd by a simple wind effect resonance.

@Gdez
wow ! is it any english translation ? very interesting.

@matos
thanks, it is a good idea but at the present i am not searching that way now . i try to understand how the 2 stage (or more stage) oscillator really works.

@Kacaring
sorry but can you be some more precise, i do not see the setup you propose very well thank's

Good night at all

laurent

[Gdez]

Resonance

@ woopy
Yes there is a cc button on that paticular video. Bottom right and press cc.

Another interesting thing i read this week that relates to mechanical resonance. there has been 8oo earth quakes in arkansas that have supposedly related to fracking. but someone mentioned that the long dill bits that they use come into "resonance" with the ground, and therefore create an effect similair to Tesla's "earthquake" machine. Interesting theory.