Milkovic Pendulum motorized Hybrid

[conradelektro]

Is horizontal better than vertical?

@Matt: Your animation is very interesting and I hope you will build it.

Just imagine for a moment you would turn your bouncer (from the animation) by 90 degrees and fix it to a vertical wall (axis of the unbalance up and flywheel down).

Would your bouncer from the animation work in that vertical position?

In other words, must a bouncer be horizontal or may it also be vertical?

This is the idea behind the thing in the attached drawing. (Never mind how the electricity is generated, by generator or magnet/coil, this is besides the point I want to make.)

Greetings, Conrad

[FRC]

Combined

This may sound crazy, but why not combine the bouncer with the original.
Sorry for the rendition, but this might enhance the bouncer when in sync.
Hope 142857 and Matt will not mind stolen images to get the idea across.

FRC

[Matthew Jones]

@Matt: Your animation is very interesting and I hope you will build it.
Just imagine for a moment you would turn your bouncer (from the animation) by 90 degrees and fix it to a vertical wall (axis of the unbalance up and flywheel down).
Would your bouncer from the animation work in that vertical position?
In other words, must a bouncer be horizontal or may it also be vertical?
This is the idea behind the thing in the attached drawing. (Never mind how the electricity is generated, by generator or magnet/coil, this is besides the point I want to make.)
Greetings, Conrad

I am not sure I understand what your saying. I am sure the concept will work many different ways.
But as with Milkovic's gravity plays into the entire scheme of this.
This is the way I am running it. Oh by the way it is built. Just missing a few more things.

@FRC.
Thats how I stumbled on it in the first place. It didn't work so good. I took it off and start watching it run on the table and noticed the effect. a 1 lbs pendulum was bending the 3/4" plywood table that was spanning 2 ft. Thats about 80 lbs of pressure to do that. I tested. So I put the hinge and spring on and thats the running version we have seen in the videos.

Matt

[FRC]

Matt

Guess my crazy idea was wrong after all. Thanks for clearing things up.

George

[kcarring]

Matt thanks for your contributions and I did not want to step all over your thread as you seem to be on to something so I introduced another concept in a new thread to provide less confusion, and some distinction:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...generator.html

[shylo]

To Matt

Hi Matt, I've been searching old threads and am very interested in this one.
When I try to look at the stuff you link it won't let me, see your videos or schematics or anything.
Probably me doing something wrong , I'm a dinosaur when it comes to computers.
I tried to build a pendulum that would charge a cap ,then fire an electro-magnet , at the end of its' stroke ,to throw it back, that was 20 years ago.
But always thought the idea had merit. (since gravity is free).
Just curious how you ever made out with this project.
Too many ideas , not enough time.
artv

[Matthew Jones]

At one time I pulled down alot of my stuff. I was having issues with hacking and I wanted to make sure my stuff got put in a place in which it was safe. I was also exploring financing opportunity and info I had out would have effected that.

The Bouncer (New name Gate Drive, Gravity Assisted Torque Enhancment) works very well. The delima is the cost of the construction. This is the video of the concept.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0WhAJ9tGoY

The primary problem is building it out of wood, it will actually shred the wood apart. Steel has been out of my budget for some time.

The modelled version run through a physic simulator show outputs in the range 70:1 to 130:1. So theoretically the unit model at the right sizes can give you 15 - 35 horsepower for 100 watt geared input on the motor.

I did have a chance measure the down stroke on one pendulum it was close to 750 lbs of down force with an 18lbs pendulum. There is also the upstroke to add in on the opposite side.

So after testing it few time I had to shelf it because concern for safety and cost.

Matt

[Turion]

Here we go!

Matt,
How about aluminum?? I have a guy who could make all the parts out of steel OR aluminum. You know me. I just love to spend money on this stuff!

Dave

[shylo]

Awesome

Wow I never even imagined anything like that.
With the torque of that rotor ,I just picture putting magnets on it, passing them buy big coils , that are loaded to the hilt to use as much of the torque as possible , without stall. That way kind of tame down the machine to keep it from self destructing. As a by-product useable power.
You say it has never been replicated by a third party,....well it's gonna be this week-end.
Thanks for sharing.
artv

[woopy]

Hi Matthew and shylo

About 2 years ago i have made some replications of the bouncer

It works very well with the sandwitch motor.

onepulse bouncer experiment.wmv - YouTube

onepulse bouncer test 2.wmv - YouTube

onepulse shaking idea 1.wmv - YouTube

Than i stupidely stopped working on the project and waited for the result of Matthew.and as usual i was appealed by other stuff and forgot it.

So Matthew, i would be very motivated to take out my proto and going on the experiment, with my improved knowledges on the sandwitch motor since that time.

Can you show how you get your very impressive results please.

Thank's

Laurent

[Matthew Jones]

Matt,
How about aluminum?? I have a guy who could make all the parts out of steel OR aluminum. You know me. I just love to spend money on this stuff!

Dave

Steel is cheaper than aluminum. We'll talk about it.

Woopy , Shylo

I'll see what I can get together today as far ratios for the thing. Its been tuned with digital simulation to be the strongest it can be and at the same time deliver the most power.
All the ratio's for the size of the thing contribute to its power. The pendulums match the ratio of this guy some time ago... He was an Italian guy who had this huge pendulum in his basement. I can't remember his name.
Anyway the pendulum has weights out on the end. This is one critical thing.

I'll take some pictures of my build and define the ratios for ya'll today.

Matt

[Matthew Jones]

Post the ratio image:



SO I am not going to go into too much. If you understand geometry and leverage then you can quickly see why this has so much power.

30,60,and 90 degrees carry power in both magnetic and gravity which is most likely just another form of magnetism. These ratio's no matter the size will extend the most power along the bottom of the device.

The weight of the pendulum is not so important but the position of most of the weight is. The angles of it it and the distribution of the weight is critical.

If you use any significant weight in the pendulum rate the shaft at 10 times or better for the weight of the pendulum. This is not hard 1 lbs should have a 1/2 inch shaft. 10 lbs should have a 1 inch shaft.

If you get into anything above 10 lbs the apparatus should be reinforced around the pivot point as to carry 150 lbs of pressure on the surrounding areas.

This thing will hurt you if you build big, so build small first.

Matt

[woopy]

Thank's Matthew

As you very well know, a picture is worth 1000 words .

So please a drawing of the ratio would be very apreciated

good night

Laurent

[Gdez]

I was waitng also

Hey Matt,
It's funny woopy mentioned it but I had a whole design ready to go, but I was kinda waiting to see what you were going to do. And then.. back burner. But.. If it's steel and anchors you need let me know what your thinking. I have a pretty good stockpile and access to more.
A 1/2 inch hilti drop in anchor is supposed to handle 4000 lbs.. I know this because I use them frequently.
Soo..If you used a 5/8 or 3/4 drop in at 4 anchor points (I don't know what they are rated for, but it's probably alot more), you shouldn't have any problems.
I do understand what you are talking about with the safety factor. In some of my two stage oscillator projects i have had springs flying, knocked a huge hole in the drywall, pendulums flying, you name it. And I was pretty much lucky I wasn't killed.
While I say this, I will also say that a machine with serious weight will really show what this mechanism is about.

Glad to see this thread revived,
Greg

[Matthew Jones]

Hey Matt,
It's funny woopy mentioned it but I had a whole design ready to go, but I was kinda waiting to see what you were going to do. And then.. back burner. But.. If it's steel and anchors you need let me know what your thinking. I have a pretty good stockpile and access to more.
A 1/2 inch hilti drop in anchor is supposed to handle 4000 lbs.. I know this because I use them frequently.
Soo..If you used a 5/8 or 3/4 drop in at 4 anchor points (I don't know what they are rated for, but it's probably alot more), you shouldn't have any problems.
I do understand what you are talking about with the safety factor. In some of my two stage oscillator projects i have had springs flying, knocked a huge hole in the drywall, pendulums flying, you name it. And I was pretty much lucky I wasn't killed.
While I say this, I will also say that a machine with serious weight will really show what this mechanism is about.

Glad to see this thread revived,
Greg

I pulled 4 3/4 inch 6500 lbs drop anchors out of a 6' slab, like they weren't there. They lasted 2 minutes if that. LOL

A big one need poored into concrete.

Matt