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This document that records Steorn test results related to their older "all permanent magnet" technology, has some interesting claims in it
http://www.steorn.com/images/asymmet...ic-systems.pdf
"Test #4" has a significant claim in the results: That positive net energy from magnets is possible under very specific conditions.
There are two types, and "meanings" of "Asymmetry" discussed there:
> The magnets' relative polarity positions ("asymmetric" in this case meaning the stator mag is at an "angle" relating to the rotor mag... the poles DO NOT line up).
> The relative field strength of the two magnets being the other meaning. In other words, they apparently use the soft ferrite that is in contact with the rotor mag, to diffuse somewhat and over-all lessen its effective field strength. So that the stator mag has a "stronger" magnetic field opposing the rotor mag; even though they are apparently identical in size and Gauss.
Another interesting conclusion from the test data of #4, is that from the Plot we can see that DISTANCE between the stator mag and the combo of ferrite and rotor mag, is very important ("20 mm")... Less or more by more than 3 or 4 mm's, and the positive net energy disappears completely.
So if this data is "correct", and we wanted to use the results to design an "all-magnet motors" ourselves, imo these would be the conclusions to "try out":
1) "Angle" the set of one magnets so the poles don't line up with the opposing set of mags (it doesn't matter which is "rotor" or "stator" as long as the formula for each is followed). You would need to try all angles to find the best (since this info is not included in the Test data).... start at "45 deg" i guess and work from there.
2) Use a "diffusing" permeable magnetic metal or substance along with the other magnet to modify its magnetic field (again, we can make either the Rotor or the Stator mags "angled" and "stronger", as long as the other opposing ones use the ferrite and are "weaker").
3) Use a very specific distance between the two, that is probably longer than most of us would have suspected... Again this will need to be tested as it will vary for every configuration tried.
This kinda reminds me of the Nicolae Moraru of Romania stuff (who was said to have invented a magnet motor back in the 1980's during the Cold War days), where he was reported to state that "Iron Facing Magnet" is the way to do it, not "magnet facing magnet". Unfortunately, there was very little to go on regarding this device, only the word of the guy who claimed he used to work for their secret police and stole the info from the files after the Communists fell.
In fact, i remember that the design was said to have small coils in the stator area, that were never explained: Electromagnet coils to put a weak field in the "iron" of the stator (the mags being in the rotor)? It's even possible, that once running, those EM coils could be "self-excited" from the rotor's mags (...and could possibly also be used to "throttle" or control it somehow).
Interesting to think about, anyway
http://www.steorn.com/images/asymmet...ic-systems.pdf
"Test #4" has a significant claim in the results: That positive net energy from magnets is possible under very specific conditions.
There are two types, and "meanings" of "Asymmetry" discussed there:
> The magnets' relative polarity positions ("asymmetric" in this case meaning the stator mag is at an "angle" relating to the rotor mag... the poles DO NOT line up).
> The relative field strength of the two magnets being the other meaning. In other words, they apparently use the soft ferrite that is in contact with the rotor mag, to diffuse somewhat and over-all lessen its effective field strength. So that the stator mag has a "stronger" magnetic field opposing the rotor mag; even though they are apparently identical in size and Gauss.
Another interesting conclusion from the test data of #4, is that from the Plot we can see that DISTANCE between the stator mag and the combo of ferrite and rotor mag, is very important ("20 mm")... Less or more by more than 3 or 4 mm's, and the positive net energy disappears completely.
So if this data is "correct", and we wanted to use the results to design an "all-magnet motors" ourselves, imo these would be the conclusions to "try out":
1) "Angle" the set of one magnets so the poles don't line up with the opposing set of mags (it doesn't matter which is "rotor" or "stator" as long as the formula for each is followed). You would need to try all angles to find the best (since this info is not included in the Test data).... start at "45 deg" i guess and work from there.
2) Use a "diffusing" permeable magnetic metal or substance along with the other magnet to modify its magnetic field (again, we can make either the Rotor or the Stator mags "angled" and "stronger", as long as the other opposing ones use the ferrite and are "weaker").
3) Use a very specific distance between the two, that is probably longer than most of us would have suspected... Again this will need to be tested as it will vary for every configuration tried.
This kinda reminds me of the Nicolae Moraru of Romania stuff (who was said to have invented a magnet motor back in the 1980's during the Cold War days), where he was reported to state that "Iron Facing Magnet" is the way to do it, not "magnet facing magnet". Unfortunately, there was very little to go on regarding this device, only the word of the guy who claimed he used to work for their secret police and stole the info from the files after the Communists fell.
In fact, i remember that the design was said to have small coils in the stator area, that were never explained: Electromagnet coils to put a weak field in the "iron" of the stator (the mags being in the rotor)? It's even possible, that once running, those EM coils could be "self-excited" from the rotor's mags (...and could possibly also be used to "throttle" or control it somehow).
Interesting to think about, anyway
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