FlowerPower Device

[twinbeard]

Hello All,

I wanted to introduce the FlowerPower Device to the larger community.
FlowerPower is a high frequency One Magnet No Bearing Bedini built with some high quality components. I have begun a rudimentary page for it here:
FlowerPower shared rotor dc pulse motor/generator.

I will, as time passes, be improving and optimizing both the circuit and mechanical structure of the device, and in the process will be adding more images, further test data, and further explanations of the workings of the device there, and announcing such updates here. I have extras of some of the parts used in the device if anyone want to replicate it... quite a few RHS500 500 ohm Ohmite rheostats, D92-003 Fuji half wave bridges, and a few of the Fuji 2SK2257 MOSFETS. Datasheets are available at the link above. I think any quality made parts of this nature will work... I just happened to be able to harvest those from the power supplies of surplus I had on hand, with the exception of the Ohmites, which I bought as New Old Stock. I think the important property of the MOSFET I am using is its great rise/fall time... so any MOSFET or IGBT (may need driver) with this property should do fine.

Cheers
Twinbeard

[twinbeard]

New Video

Hello All,

I have a new video posted to the FlowerPower page linked above.
Direct link to video here: YouTube - FlowerPower New Rotor testing

Cheers,
Twinbeard

[Jbignes5]

Very interesting.

Have you read about the improvements that Tesla was to introduce to the ac system he designed?

Here is a link to the patent:

BEST AVAILABLE COP - Google Patent Search

Be very careful when looking at this patent. This is not what you would call a normal patent and it talks about the phase relationship between the different modules like the exciter and the generator. Which the generator has a belt attached to to provide a difference in the center coils and the outer transformer setup of the generator and the phase they are adjusted to. There are 4 distinct parts to this method. Exciter, generator, motor and transformer. The motor and transformer are the external hook ups.

The curious thing is that the exciter would be considered the generator then what is the ring transformer and internal coils that is labels the generator? Both the field and the internal field can be made to go out of phase and drive the external motor or transformer with this phase difference. <-Guess. If you read this patent Tesla talks about adjusting the belt to offer more drag increasing the phase difference and hence adding more to the circuits that the independent coils are in. It is so confusing to the way he talks but I think it is saying he gets more from turning the central core in the opposite direction that the generator coils are going. In doing this it causes such a major imbalance that nature tries to make up for it pulling more into the circuit. I think.... If anyone can help me on this it might help us understand more about what we are seeing in these type of systems.

[sucahyo]

twinbeard, can you explain the application example of use of flowerpower?

[twinbeard]

Tpu

I have read this patent, multiple times over the last 6 months. Give me a bit... I want to make as complete a response as possible,and I have to scan some pages from old texts as well as totally sort out my thoughts on the topic.

Have you read about the improvements that Tesla was to introduce to the ac system he designed?

Here is a link to the patent:

BEST AVAILABLE COP - Google Patent Search

Be very careful when looking at this patent. This is not what you would call a normal patent and it talks about the phase relationship between the different modules like the exciter and the generator. Which the generator has a belt attached to to provide a difference in the center coils and the outer transformer setup of the generator and the phase they are adjusted to. There are 4 distinct parts to this method. Exciter, generator, motor and transformer. The motor and transformer are the external hook ups.

The curious thing is that the exciter would be considered the generator then what is the ring transformer and internal coils that is labels the generator? Both the field and the internal field can be made to go out of phase and drive the external motor or transformer with this phase difference. <-Guess. If you read this patent Tesla talks about adjusting the belt to offer more drag increasing the phase difference and hence adding more to the circuits that the independent coils are in. It is so confusing to the way he talks but I think it is saying he gets more from turning the central core in the opposite direction that the generator coils are going. In doing this it causes such a major imbalance that nature tries to make up for it pulling more into the circuit. I think.... If anyone can help me on this it might help us understand more about what we are seeing in these type of systems.

[twinbeard]

Application

Hi Sucahyo,

twinbeard, can you explain the application example of use of flowerpower?

I have a product that uses 640W of solar panels and 1600Ah @12VDC worth of batteries: solarnetone.org I want to replace the majority of that with this aetheric vortex generator device, for use in off grid, developing nation applications. It will cost significantly less both in terms of parts and freight over the purely PV solution. I will likely still include some small PV and battery to maintain a stable dipole and not have to "loop back to source" which would entail using a dynamically created, and thus unstable dipole capable of collapsing quickly. Power source failure is simply not an option when deploying comms systems. This lowered price will allow me to connect more people in developing nations to the internet, which is the stated goal of the SolarNetOne project.

[sucahyo]

I have a product that uses 640W of solar panels and 1600Ah @12VDC worth of batteries: solarnetone.org I want to replace the majority of that with this aetheric vortex generator device, for use in off grid, developing nation applications.

Thank you. What is the current state of flowerpower?

Do the coil is still in development? Is it similar to star david coil?

[twinbeard]

Hi Sucahyo,

Thank you. What is the current state of flowerpower?

Yes, it is still under active development. We are making incremental changes to improve performance and structural integrity of the device. The next milestone will be a machined titanium rotor housing with the rotor immersed in a sealed, pressurized bath of ferrofluid as lubricant. I will hopefully be posting the CAD drawing and renderings of that this week, time allowing me to finish it.

Do the coil is still in development? Is it similar to star david coil?

The coil is a variant on hhoforvolts starship coil:
YouTube - Rodin Starship Coil

We are using a 24 point non-progressively wound bi-filar of #26AWG and #22AWG for trigger and drive coils, respectively. I have dubbed this the Leedskalnin Variant Starship. That has been unchanged since the first powerup of the device. I am generally constantly tinkering with the pickup coils, however, and that remains a variable which I will continue to modulate.

Cheers,
Twinbeard

[sucahyo]

Thank you. Have you ever compare it with selenoid coil?

From my experiment I found that any self canceling will reduce the radiant output and the coil seems to have some area where self cancelling occur. Some use this deliberately though.

24 point selection is interesting . I use 6 and fail to get output, but that wound on motorcycle gear. 6 on toroid works though.

[twinbeard]

Hi Sucahyo,

Thank you. Have you ever compare it with selenoid coil?

I have not. The only other versions of this circuit are shown most clearly in this video: YouTube - piratetwinbeard's Channel

I chose the starship style design based on its ability to essentially focus the B field in the center of the coil, with very ilttle field in the "petals."

From my experiment I found that any self canceling will reduce the radiant output and the coil seems to have some area where self cancelling occur. Some use this deliberately though.

24 point selection is interesting . I use 6 and fail to get output, but that wound on motorcycle gear. 6 on toroid works though.

Would you mind to explain the self-cancelling effect a bit more? Such as a
caduceus coil would produce?

I chose 24 points in an effort to reduce the total number of wraps as opposed to a 12 point, while keeping the same ohmic resistance and mass of copper.

Cheers,
Twinbeard

[sucahyo]

I chose the starship style design based on its ability to essentially focus the B field in the center of the coil, with very ilttle field in the "petals."

Do you have future plan to utilize that B field?

Would you mind to explain the self-cancelling effect a bit more? Such as a caduceus coil would produce?

Yes, mobius, flat coil, etc. I try both and it produce almost no radiant output. I only see reference of self cancelling coil use as scalar generator. But since I never see scalar to electricity converter yet, I decide to pursue what can be used today, the radiant electricity output.

Try to compare your coil with single layer air core selenoid with same ohmic resistance.

I chose 24 points in an effort to reduce the total number of wraps as opposed to a 12 point, while keeping the same ohmic resistance and mass of copper.

Ok.

[twinbeard]

Do you have future plan to utilize that B field?

Other than to rotate the prime mover (1/8" NbFeB magnet) at 57.5kHz, and hopefully higher frequencies? What else would you suggest I use it for?

Yes, mobius, flat coil, etc. I try both and it produce almost no radiant output. I only see reference of self cancelling coil use as scalar generator. But since I never see scalar to electricity converter yet, I decide to pursue what can be used today, the radiant electricity output.

Try to compare your coil with single layer air core selenoid with same ohmic resistance.

Ok.

A pancake coil, like the primary of the magnifying transmitter, is what you want me to try, or something like the secondary thereof?

Cheers
Twinbeard

[sucahyo]

Other than to rotate the prime mover (1/8" NbFeB magnet) at 57.5kHz, and hopefully higher frequencies? What else would you suggest I use it for?

That is very high . Maybe TPU like experiment?

A pancake coil, like the primary of the magnifying transmitter, is what you want me to try, or something like the secondary thereof?

A simple coil. Which output you want to utilize to produce power, the radiant output or the motor part? If radiant output I want to know if starship coil produce higher or lower radiant output than a simple coil.

I am not suggesting that simple coil is best, yet.

[twinbeard]

That is very high . Maybe TPU like experiment?

I had considered using pulse motors to tickle a TPU type setup, if I can get the frequency high enough. I am on the low end of what would be compatible with work on that to date, correct? Seems like you could use several differently tuned joule thief circuits to achieve that as well.

A simple coil. Which output you want to utilize to produce power, the radiant output or the motor part? If radiant output I want to know if starship coil produce higher or lower radiant output than a simple coil.

I am not suggesting that simple coil is best, yet.

Well, when I first built this device, I thought it held quite a bit of promise with the radient spike dumped into a battery method. It worked pretty well for that, and was able to charge up large cells rather quickly, on minimal input. I would consider it the best of the bunch as far as radiant spike charging goes. My first starship ONNBB was a 1" rotor model I called the "flux transformer." It produces a large B field, suitable for running satellites. The charging output was lacking, likely due to the energy being released in the larger B Field. The second one I made was also with a 1", and it uses a standard bifilar hockey puck coil. This does pretty well as far as straight induction goes, and produces a respectable radiant spike, but cannot achieve the frequency necessary get the Lenzless operation of the FlowerPower.

I am currently optimizing the FlowerPower for the highest production out of the generator stage, which is a different tuning than is optimal for production of radiant spikes into the charging battery.

Cheers,
Twinbeard

[twinbeard]

Have you read about the improvements that Tesla was to introduce to the ac system he designed?

Here is a link to the patent:

BEST AVAILABLE COP - Google Patent Search

Be very careful when looking at this patent. This is not what you would call a normal patent and it talks about the phase relationship between the different modules like the exciter and the generator. Which the generator has a belt attached to to provide a difference in the center coils and the outer transformer setup of the generator and the phase they are adjusted to. There are 4 distinct parts to this method. Exciter, generator, motor and transformer. The motor and transformer are the external hook ups.

The curious thing is that the exciter would be considered the generator then what is the ring transformer and internal coils that is labels the generator? Both the field and the internal field can be made to go out of phase and drive the external motor or transformer with this phase difference. <-Guess. If you read this patent Tesla talks about adjusting the belt to offer more drag increasing the phase difference and hence adding more to the circuits that the independent coils are in. It is so confusing to the way he talks but I think it is saying he gets more from turning the central core in the opposite direction that the generator coils are going. In doing this it causes such a major imbalance that nature tries to make up for it pulling more into the circuit. I think.... If anyone can help me on this it might help us understand more about what we are seeing in these type of systems.

What I am really seeing here is a method to increase the frequency of the output of a relatively low frequency alternator, labelled in the patent as the exciter. He shows both motor and transformer as output devices, but I think he is simply showing that an inductive load is required to make most effective use of the higher frequency output. I would wager that the transformer output loads on the 2 secondaries would need to be impedance matched as well. Tesla states on numerous occasions in his various speeches that one of his primary difficulties was in the construction of alternator that was able to create the high frequency output he was looking for. He tried packing as many poles as possible into a standard alternator.. 384 at one point, iirc. Apparently the mechanical tolerances had to be quite tight, and he was limited by the materials he had available. From my understanding, this led to him using a tuned spark gap, creating high frequency pulsed dc with various quenching methods to modulate the duty cycle and/or frequency.

I agree that this machines would likely have required tuning in the phase relationships of the various components, and likely packed a wallop due to higher electron volt levels of higher frequency waveforms. Has anyone tried using iron wire in the tpu to extract flux instead of copper to extract current? Then the flux can be fed into an external transformer core to create the potentials desired, or put to work as pure flux the way Leedskalnin did.

Cheers,
Twinbeard