Solar Joule Thief Circuits

[NickZ]

SW and Totoalas and All:
I'm still doing tests on charging two AAs in parallel from two AAs in series. I've noticed that the Leds lights Do Not drop their light intensity immediately, at all, when connected to the Jtc batteries in the circuit, this way. But, once the charge batteries run down, the circuit is not really charging anymore. As it takes 1.5 times the normal battery voltage to charge them up, without a having a fluffy surface charge. Frequent swaps are needed. I'm still feeding-back to the positive rail, as my set up doesn't like the feed back to the negative rail.
There is No secondary induction in any of my Jtc, and I'm am a bit frustrated about that. As I don't get to see the real magic in the circuit. Although my Jts do go a long time on each battery swap or charge cycle. They seam to have more current and less voltage. I still have to bump charge them every so often, to keep them all charged up and running well.
The only way that I can see to keep the system charged up and running at its optimum, without losing its operating frequency, is to connect the Jtc up to a solar panel and a storage battery. Therefore maintaining a steady operating voltage that will keep the Jtc at a steady 6 volt charge. Otherwise it's a losing battle, as sooner or later, all the batteries run down, and though the Leds are still on, they are dim. Boring...
Hopefully this can be overcome by using a very strong running Jtc that can more than make up all the loses, like lighting a bunch of Leds at the same time.
A self charging, self running joule thief that can also light a few hundred Leds all the while, would be something to see. We're getting closer...
Good luck with your tests guys.
NZ

[SkyWatcher]

Hi totoalas, thanks for the information. Hi Nick, thanks for the information of your testing. Yes, unless the circuit is somehow making more charge in the charge batteries like a tesla switch or bedini's effect with more energy manifesting in charge batteries, the batteries will drain. The question is, with for example the setup I'm testing now, with 3AA's series charging 3AA's in parallel and swapping, will this give us a longer run time at similar led light levels than 3AA's would provide alone. It sure is looking that way to me. That's all that matters in my view. Still testing.
peace love light
Tyson

[NickZ]

SW:
The charge batteries will only charge up to full if they receive more voltage presure than what they currently have. So, If the charging voltage is higher by 35 to 50 %, or so, than the charging batteries, they will benefit, but once the run batteries voltage gets to be lower, ( or the same as) than nothing much is happening with the charge batteries.
I also see much more charging going on at 4 or 5 volts level than at 1 volt or 2 volts. And it does look like having the charging batteries in parallel is better, at least the Leds don't dim when charging the batteries.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Nick , yes what you are saying is what I'm seeing as well. It looked like my setup was going to cycle longer but as you said, the charging starts to fall off when there is not enough voltage on input side. There has to be some way to get this type of setup to work better, just not sure how. Thanks for the reply.
peace love light
Tyson

[totoalas]

Slayer SEC/ JT Charger


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Hi To All
Finally run a Dodoshlodo Jt 06 ckt using the spiral coil in a pop bottle

DC from wall outlet 8 to 16 v dc lights up one 8 w fl lamp
0.45 ac rectified to dc from spiral coil to JT
21 v dc output from Jt charging 6,7,,nd 8 vdc square batteries in series

Spiral coil voltage did not change when we change supply voltage
Also the pvc pipe coil L2 pancake one end connected to collector
L1coil not connected
Basic slayer ckt forthe pop bottle with additional MPSA06 c to b and b to e of the circuit
Tomorrow againto try to connet to input using sla battery

cheers
totoalas

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi totoalas, thanks for sharing your information. I posted this at ou site also.
I'm seeing something interesting in a circuit built similar to what woopy has shown. Though I used what I had, a 2" diameter iron toroid from computer psu and a 1" diameter ferrite toroid placed inside. The 1" toroid has 15 bifilar turns 22 gauge with bedini oscillator circuit. The 2" toroid has maybe 100 turns 24 gauge, havent counted them, that link the two toroids and maybe 100 turns on opposite side of 2" toroid as shown in red in woopy's pic. Using 2AA's as input and 5 leds as a load attached to first secondary. Now input amps without load are showing 180 milliamps, then when first secondary that links both toroids is placed to power leds, input amps drop to 150 milliamps and leds light up. Now, if I then take the other secondary coil at opposite side of 2" toroid and place this coil in parallel with first secondary, the leds double in brightness and input amps drop to 120 milliamps. Maybe this is the effect thane is pointing out with his bi-toroid transformer. Let me know what you think.


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peace love light
Tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, heres a cad diagram of it. It's basically a JT oscillator rewired to the bedini variant, though the JT circuit should work just as well.


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peace love light
Tyson

[totoalas]

TROS -- "hf generator" III

YouTube - TROS -- "hf generator" III


hi sW andd Nickz

Pease chheck this out siilar to heinz bi toroid trasformer

cheers

totoalas

[totoalas]

Joule Theif Evolution; The Eternity Light Project

YouTube - Inquorate's Channel


http://www.energeticforum.com/116894-post909.html

ps check this out

totoalas

[Inquorate]

YouTube - Inquorate's Channel


http://www.energeticforum.com/116894-post909.html

ps check this out

totoalas

thanks toto, for the referencing and link

peace love and light, hope to have more to share soon; kids take up sooo much time god bless their cotton socks.

Ps my 7 month old son said dadda a couple of days ago. To his toys, but that's beside the point..

Ps overunity is a fact, once one considers the gravitational, inertial, kinetic or magnetic properties of the aether.

Just check out my channel on youtube for thought provoking ideas, and the links in the YTube comments section to Heretical Builders - Powered by vBulletin threads.

Cheers

cop > 1

[totoalas]

[QUOTE=Inquorate;117110]thanks toto, for the referencing and link

peace love and light, hope to have more to share soon; kids take up sooo much time god bless their cotton socks.

Just as our Lord says he will just pass once in our lifetime so are your contributions to mankind
Like father like son how fortunate you are

just continue dreaming and we ll be there

now back to work lol

cheers

totoalas

[kavinash]

just a thought

can we power up a whole house using the circuit???
can this replace the heavy batteries used in electric cars????

if i connect the ckt to a dye solar cell, will the dye breakdown completely????? can it be recharged sumhow????

[NickZ]

Kavinash:
If what you are asking is: if a Joule Thief circuit, or its various modifications will light your house? The answer is no. But, it will provide for low light levels, enough for be used as night lights, and can also be made to put out moderately low light levels for a single room.
I have several Jtc that I use nightly, and I recharge their batteries during the day. You can make one for every room. Just don't expect a AA battery on a Jtc to light a room very bright. But they will light a room enough to see where you are walking without tripping, and last all night long, and longer. They can also make great back-up lights when Ac power goes off.
Thank you for reactivating this thread.
NickZ

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi kavinash, i would say anything is possible and if in doubt, think for yourself and investigate before believing anything you see or hear.

Though yes, I do think these devices when resonating and scaled properly probably can power anything we want.

Hi NickZ, I'm running some tests as I speak to see if looping the collapsing field from the JT back to input yields any increase in run time.

Also with these tests I'm using 1 AA nickel zinc rechargeable made by powergenix, charged to identical levels for each test.

Using an led off the collector and a diode for isolation off the high side of coil back to input battery, initial tests do show a slowing of input voltage drop while the led shows the same brightness.

First test is the feedback test, then second test will be the led off the main coil.
peace love light
Tyson

[NickZ]

SW:
Great to hear that you're still at it. I am also.
The feed back issue is a tricky one. Right now I am trying to see how the in4007 type diode off the trans possitive, can be replaced by just one led, running off of the secondary coil only. Nothing on the C and E rails. As there is a too much voltage drop with each component such as leds or diodes in line. Maybe you can keep just the One led on a the secondary, and no other diode, (as it will act like a diode) then feed that output back to the battery.
There in no fun in feeding back energy when you can't see it light anything. So, if one led can be lit 24/7, that would be a start. A toggle switch to change the charge and run batteries back and forth will work much easier that manually changing them.
I still think a solar panel may be the only way, to keep voltage steady, as an occasional bump charge is still needed, every few days to keep both batteries charged up full.
Bill was saying something about that if using the right ferrite toroid coils the Jtc can run on one AA for a month. With a perm of 10.000 or more, that may be possible. I'm still using the yellow Pc power supply iron powder toroids, so I won't win a price there. But I can still light my house at low light levels all night long, almost for free, as is.
I've just bought the supplies to make some beach sand cement batteries, to hook up to the Jtc. or just to leds. I'll probably have to remove any resistor in the Jtc also, as there is no current in cement batteries. Or is there? I guess I'll see soon enough.
I looks to me like the best ideal voltage for the Jtc is around one volt. Otherwise below that there is no charging going on, and much above that the transistor starts to cook. The problem is that as soon as the single AA drops slightly in voltage, under 1 volt, there goes any charging effect. So, a couple of the cement batteries in series should keep the input voltage steady, at about 1.5 - 2.4 volts, with no heat build up.

I did make it through the Tidal Wave today, I was a bit worried, as I'm only a foot or two above high tide, here on the pacific coast of Costa Rica.