Otis T. Carr

[Farmhand]

Yes they have a well built setup for sure, I'm curious to know if the Utrons are
made from steel or aluminium I asked on the video comments. They should be
steel and wound with coils as well from what I can tell. They have a shaft going
through the central accumulator So they appear to plan on counter rotation.
Do they have a theory of how it will function as a unit/machine ? If so they
should share it. If the thing works and they don't have automated shut down
or have it bolted down they could lose it into space. Carr said he lost one
or two models because of circuit breaker failure.

I'm not sure that a shaft should traverse/go right through the central
accumulator. We should remember he made drawings to apply for a patent for
a "carnival device/ride" and it was just a mock up. I think reportedly after he
was shut down he tried to make some money that way, by manufacturing a
carnival ride/machine. Which added to the belief he never had a real machine.
He also sold plans for small model kits which were also mock ups.

The picture linked below shows the carnival device center shaft and bearings, that
looks like normal carnival ride engineering. It looks like a strong central
fabricated support for a carnival ride.

The actual device I think would have an enclosed "core" Accumulator I think
which would be supported top and bottom like the other smaller ones maybe.

Picture of what I believe is the central support of the carnival ride.
http://bluestarenterprise.com/wp-con...1/04/0usp5.gif

From what I can recall the carnival device was mounted on a central shaft/hydraulic ram
and the thing spins and goes up and down a bit, or did/was meant to.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Did you reply to yourself? Are you using multiple accounts & forget to switch or something?

Dingus, Vickers obviously made a post, had a think and then made another post,
perfectly normal behavior in my opinion. And those posts were made almost
2 years ago. Please don't come to my threads asking if a person from two
years ago had dual accounts, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that in
my opinion.

Please apologize or please discontinue posting in this thread. Vickers posts are
normal behavior. Or are you suggesting I was Vickers ? If so you are wrong,
ask Aaron to confirm it if you don't believe me. I have one account here.
Period ! I am Farmhand ! And I have no reason to believe Vickers is anyone but Vickers.

Start your own thread and make some insinuations, allegations or whatever
you want but don't do it in threads I start. Unless you have some supporting
evidence. And if so you should probably report it to the moderators, I believe
it is against forum rules. The moderators can tell who is where, pretty much.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Madhatter, I may have misunderstood you, It is not meant to fly no,
so it is a model yes, but a fully functioning one in my opinion.

I am sorry if I misunderstood.

I'll try go through the radio interviews tonight.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

The small outer Utrons may even require a spiral groove machined in them to
take the wire of the coils. It's difficult to tell if they are actually meant to be
wound with coils, I think it may be mentioned also in the radio interview. It's
been a long while since I listened to them.

I'm not convinced that a device just for tapping energy needs all the parts
it would for flight, I don't like flying anyway.

Dr Searles device would appear to be a permanent magnet version of the same
principal, but Seales device is not engineered for flight what so ever, looking at
the open devices I've seen.

Back after the radio show.

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[Dingus]

Well, according to Ralph Ring the Utrons aren't grooved, the wire is just simply coiled around it. Then again he also once described it as having some kind of glowing crystal ball on it & said that the craft could turn invisible & teleport.

Please apologize or please discontinue posting in this thread. Vickers posts are
normal behavior. Or are you suggesting I was Vickers ? If so you are wrong,
ask Aaron to confirm it if you don't believe me. I have one account here.
Period ! I am Farmhand ! And I have no reason to believe Vickers is anyone but Vickers.

You're acting awfully defensive Farmhand, or should I say... Vickers!

[citfta]

Farmhand?

@Dingus,

I don't know you or Vickers, but I have exchanged posts back and forth with Farmhand on this forum and another one for the past couple of years. I have always found him to be very clear about who he is and what he thinks. As a third party who may not know all the history I still have to say your posts don't really make a lot of sense.

Respectfully,
Carroll

[Farmhand]

Well, according to Ralph Ring the Utrons aren't grooved, the wire is just simply coiled around it. Then again he also once described it as having some kind of glowing crystal ball on it & said that the craft could turn invisible & teleport.
You're acting awfully defensive Farmhand, or should I say... Vickers!

Dingus, just recently, I have had all kinds of sick filth directed at me for no
valid reason in my opinion. Up until I last time checked all the disgusting filth
posted about me was still there for all to read. The moderators have not made
any attempt to remove it or caution publicly the people who see fit to peddle
abuse and filth on a public forum. So therefore I will need to moderate my
threads myself. I will not do nothing while miscreants post offensive
comments or comments suggestive of deceitful behavior or comments
inferring, insinuating or otherwise suggesting wrongdoing, when there is no
evidence for or reason to believe that. If you had been subjected to the same
treatment you would probably be defensive as well. One person apologized
after I asked if he would but he did nothing to remove the abusive and
disgusting comments he made. The inaction of the moderators is curious but
so be it, now I feel the need to show I am a not a whipping boy or a
scapegoat.

As I said it may be possible that Ralph Ring was a plant or has been bought,
maybe not, I'm not saying he was, just we need to think for ourselves and
have an idea of our own how the thing is made to work.

If you wish to discuss the subject matter or any related tech or information
you are most welcome, and I encourage that.

Now Last request apologize to Vickers and now as well to me or discontinue
posting in this thread. I will flag your posts as offensive and if the moderators
do nothing, I will consider my position here, and my promises not to post in
other threads will no longer be a standing promise so that I may request
repeatedly for the removal of the abusive posts towards me in the threads
they were made. This is not a threat or anything I just want the abuse and
filth removed and the abusers cautioned and in some cases I think banning is
appropriate.

I would much prefer to discuss the Technology, workings or
performance/efficiency of devices/arrangements than to deal with abuse,
evasions, insinuation ect.

As I said if you want to discuss the tech or present alternative opinions your
welcome. I can ignore posts that are not offensive which I don't agree with.

Cheers

[Dingus]

As I said it may be possible that Ralph Ring was a plant or has been bought, maybe not, I'm not saying he was, just we need to think for ourselves and have an idea of our own how the thing is made to work.

I don't think Ralph has been bought, but it does seem that a lot of his claims are quite exaggerated compared to the claims made by Carr himself. Really entertaining stories to listen to, but still.

And you really need to learn to lighten up a bit.

[Stephen Brown]

Dimensions of Mystery

Farmhand,
Have you read Otis T. Carr's little book, "Dimensions of Mystery"?
It's full of his poetry and verse. But apparently that all just a coverup for it's real purpose.
It say's in the pages that it contains a cipher, that if translated spells out plans for a "fourth dimensional gravity engine", capable of running dynamos and many other conventional devices of power.

Here is the SCRIBD link.
dimensions of mystery otis carr
You can get a copy many other places.

The paragraph where he talks about the cipher is on page 64....

I've studied and read it several times. It will not be easy to translate.
Another mystery dies with it's owner.
If you know someone who is an expert puzzle solver, I would love to collaborate.

I believe Otis T. Carr was the real deal.

Stephen

[Pmwuk]

U-tron

Does anyone have the plans to turn a u-tron coil as not sure how to put one together ?

[Farmhand]

Hi Stephen, I did not even know that existed. Thank you very much, I'll have
to find something to upload and my password so I can download it. I'll get
back to you soon.

Ok Dingus, I'll lighten up, actually I haven't read or heard all that much of what
Ralph has claimed only one particular transcript of an interview I think and
some short video's. Ralph does make some far out claims but so does Otis,
and that Margret Storm lady I think the name is, there are some esoteric and mystical
aspects to it and she talks of a "set" Tesla built to talk to aliens. Maybe the
Utrons don't need to be grooved, that was just a comment because I was
thinking of how the coil could be held in place securely.

EDIT: ( I could be wrong about the central accumulator as well as other
things, I'm speculating at the moment. )

Anyway I listened to some of the interviews and took note of some key times
but I would like to check the notes and listen to the rest.

In this interview there is interesting information. Particularly from 16:00 mins or so onwards.
http://files.bluestarenterprise.com/...11-15-1958.mp3

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[Stephen Brown]

Farmhand,
Here is a link other than Scribd.
Project Camelot | Ralph Ring and Otis Carr
Go down to Archived Material.
At the top of the box is a download link to Dimensions of Mystery.
Happy reading.
Stephen

[Farmhand]

Thanks Stephen, Your right there is a cipher or code, very interesting. I'm no
expert but I think I understand his method. I think finding somewhere to start
will be the key, a key to a key if you know what I mean. I haven't found a start
yet. But I will be looking. I like poetry. It's a big read.

Thanks for this.

[tachyoncatcher]

Cipher

Farmhand,
This may help you with the Cipher.
http://files.meetup.com/1790397/Ralph%20Ring.pdf
Randy

[Farmhand]

Aluminium Utrons

I'm not understanding why they are using aluminium for the Utrons.

Ralph Ring 'Pod' Update August 1, 2011 - YouTube

Pod Update FEB 23, 2012 - YouTube

If the field coils are pulsed then I don't see what they will attract or repulse if
the utrons are made from aluminium, I think they should be iron or steel. If
they are wound with coils they could work in some way, but my intuition tells
me with aluminium utrons ( basically rotor core's ) it won't work, I may be wrong.

And his quote for the machining of one Utron seems excessive $500.00 each.
If I had a lathe and milling machine I could make them for the cost of the
metal and electricity. Several in one day I think. $500.00 dollars for two
machined aluminium cones, I don't see how that is possible without being
ripped off. Although I haven't paid for machining so i'm not saying he's lying or
anything just that it seems way over priced. And at $500.00 a piece I would
be making certain I knew why I was having them made from aluminium and not
iron or silicon-steel. I wonder if they have a theory of how they think it will
motor.

Cheers