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[Duncan]

Why isn’t it fait accompli? It would seem to me that free energy has been available for many years, Bessler was the first I know of that’s documented before that who knows? We have all read and are now aware of the hundreds of inventors and pioneers. Some still helping us and some alas cut short.
Does anyone really think that all these giants who dared to challenge were liars? Of course not but none have managed to prevail on a large scale, Joe public cant go to wall mart or Tesco and buy a 5Kw machine for domestic use. Specific nut and bolt construction details are not available with the exception of Mr. Bedini’s determined demonstrations. Although even John & Tom make it quite clear that they have “limitations” and non disclosure obligations. Although I somehow suspect they don’t intend to take their secrets to the grave.
We can see TPTB police the www pretty effectively and all know how quickly web sites and video’s are knocked down. We on this forum enjoy the subject it’s a hobby if not a calling and we are in enjoyable entertaining company but are we not collectively (as a society) being forced to re – Invent the wheel time and time again?
I would think TPTB pay particular attention to this forum; I know I would if I was in the suppression game; we have a good idea of how long and determined their talons are too.We see what they do!
It seems to me that although the manufacture of an energy machine is extremely difficult it pales into insignificance when compared with the task of getting it “out there” and staying alive and solvent and keeping your family safe.
Rather like playing a game of chess against almost insurmountable odds when the enemy has the benefit of your major pieces and knows what moves you have to attempt
So let us assume for a moment that a member of this forum has developed a machine that would power a house or a car, after all either would rattle the TPTB what next? There are so many questions I would like to ask now,
1. Would you broadcast the fact on the forum and alert the sharks?
2. Would you contact another member on the forum and ask them to validate your machine? And then disclose.
3. Would you Inform and disclose to friendly open source sites like Panacea?
4. Would you simply transmit your design as far and wide as you could in the hope that it would survive?
5. Would you do public demonstrations of you machine?
6. Would you try and involve the academics and make 100s of machines for them as orbo did?
7. Patent is out of the question isn’t it?
8. Assuming you beat the 10000 to 1 odds and manage to market your machine what debt will you owe to the hundreds of inventors who have gone before?
9. Would you Write a Book in code and leave clues. Leaving the next generation can deal With TPTB?
10. What about the threats and bribes that stymie your manufactures?
11. Assuming you were that determined what would you do to assure the information got out and stayed out after your assassination?

Most if not all of these have been tried at least once and failed usually stopped by the official secrets acts or the military or big business of which ever country is concerned as soon as they get wind of it, and so realistically you’ve only got one “good shot” to get the information out.
I guess what I’m asking here is what sort of game plan can we come up with? After all Everything else has failed so far and forewarned is forearmed. I suspect I’m in the company here of just the people to ask. Even if the advice is along the line of "do not do as I have done."
I take it as read that “for profit” is out of the question just to get a viable machine out there on a large scale would be miracle enough!
after all I'm sure we all know of one man at least who has made a machine that's capable of driving a house or two.But Mrs Muggins cant go and buy one! ...yet!

[lamare]

Most if not all of these have been tried at least once and failed usually stopped by the official secrets acts or the military or big business of which ever country is concerned as soon as they get wind of it, and so realistically you’ve only got one “good shot” to get the information out.
I guess what I’m asking here is what sort of game plan can we come up with? After all Everything else has failed so far and forewarned is forearmed.

What I have done is analyse three systems of which at least two have been publicly shown to work and explain the working principles behind these in all detail:

Energy source of the future won’t be a fossil fuel – Royal Dutch Shell plc .com

So, now everyone that wants to can read how to do this, in principle. And since it's all out there in the open, there is no way anyone can put this genie back in the bottle.... And this is also the way to avoid having an "accident", cause then the information would still be out in the public, and such an event would only make people more curious, which would only make things worse for those that like this information to stay under ground.

And of course, I have made sure I have some insurance policies:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post108655

[Michael John Nunnerley]

HI Duncan and welcome.

This is as difficult if not more so than inventing the machine in the first place, let me explain as it was explained to me.

If you have a machine that would replace petrolium or natural gas or coal or any other fossil fuel used today, you need first to answer these few questions:-

a, Is it cheap or expensive to make

b, Can it be made by any handy person at home

c, Could it be taxed in some way so as to offset the loss of income to the governments by not selling fossil fuel products, including job taxes, NI etc.

d, How many jobs would be LOST by the introduction of this machine, and if millions and millions, what would the people who lost their jobs think of you.

The last question is the hard one and the most difficult to create a solution.

For sure the climate we breath would be for the better and the world we live on, but would we really be any better off with millions and millions of more people out of work in the first years of FREE energy. Just think of the knock on effect of the job losses, I think I under estimated, not millions but billions, a domino effect.

Now don't get me wrong, I work creating these types of energy "none fossil fuel" energy, some free and others cost a little.

In time we are going to need these machines creating this energy, but, it will have to be introduced a little by little so as the world ecconomy can adjust and not create a ten fold world ecconomic problem as we have right now with the banking sector fat cats wanting to get fatter.

If you answer those few questions I put first then you will see why governments will do ANYTHING to stop a free or cheap energy machine from getting into the market place in any volume.

My answer is don't rock the boat so it sinks, control it, use it yourself and familly and friends, make life a little more comfortable, but don't get yourself killed.

Mike

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi Duncan, first thing one must ask themselves is why does one need so called money. Look at all the aspects in ones life that seems to require this ink paper and if one researches thoroughly, one will find that in almost all cases of basic needs, it is a contrived, engineered false reality meant to give control and power to a few. Now what does this have to do with an energy device, everything. Unlimited excess energy devices in the hands of all humanity would negate a large aspect of the control structures set in place. Lets look at energy and how it plays a role in us getting our food as well. If all farmers wanted to share their food freely with all humanity, of course keeping what they need for their family, how could this be possible. It is possible for farmers to share most all their crop with humanity, when societal structures are setup to enable it. I wont go into the long list of issues that prevent a farmer from sharing almost all their crops freely and anyone for that matter sharing freely their time and energy, however a short basic list is all that is needed to make an example.
PAYING FOR THE DIRT WE LIVE ON IN ANY WAY WHAT SO EVER, NOBODY WOULD PAY RENT IF THEY HAD THEIR OWN DIRT TO USE.

PAYING FOR FOOD WHEN IT IS FREELY GROWN BY MOTHER EARTH, FARMERS WOULD LIKELY SHARE ALL THEY COULD IF ENERGY DEVICES WERE NOT SUPPRESSED AND THEN IT WOULD BE ONLY AN ISSUE OF THEIR TIME AND ENERGY. THOUGH I SEE SMALL HYDROPONIC AND SMALL GREEN HOUSES COMMUNITIES TAKING OFF.

THE FIAT INK PAPER AND ANY INTERMEDIARY TOOLS OF EXCHANGE BETWEEN HUMANS ALWAYS PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHERS TO PLUNDER THE ABUNDANCE MEANT FOR HUMANITY, AS HAS BEEN OCCURRING FOR SOMETIME.
That should be fairly simple to understand, and in reality, the seeming lack in this world is not complicated to understand why it is occurring. At the most basic level, it stems from a third party called an exchange tool , or money, or in the case now, very worthless and easily manipulated fiat currency. With this knowledge, it seems fairly obvious why a small group of people who actually have very little power, would want to prevent unlimited excess energy devices from flourishing, it puts a big hole in their illusionary dam of control. We the people have the true power and once enough of us wake up to this fact, the game of limitation is over. In fact it is ending sooner than most think.
peace love light
Tyson

[Duncan]

Lamare thanks for that info very interesting. And Michael your comments are indeed very erudite! Should free energy suddenly become available even as a widespread demonstrable and provable high powered example, it would indeed rock and crack the very foundation of society as we know it.
That is why I presume so many pioneers and inventers have been culled! Here is a radio Interview concerning one of my favorite inventers Stan Mayer YouTube - Opie & Anthony: Stan Meyer's Water Car Stan comes across to me as a real gentleman. It is the accepted certainty of his murder that is disturbing.
Unfortunately not only has “free energy” been suppressed mathematics and science has been prostituted for over a hundred years to camouflage the fact.
I view it rather like a dam that’s building up a hell of a lot of pressure that has to give eventually. I can’t see that happening other than by catastrophic breakdown after all it’s either a can do or can’t do there is no middle ground. Introduce slowly isn’t an option, a well founded rumor would be enough to collapse the markets. (As we’ve seen time and time again)
As for the millions of jobs, I would dare to suggest that those millions of people don’t really want “jobs” they do however want to maintain a decent standard of living and of course enjoy some of the goodies in life, That is going to have to be factored into a “change period” Millions of people who at the moment are (even if unwittingly) polluting and burning and fouling the planet would be free to be more constructive. A difficult period of governance I agree but it will happen anyway sooner or later and I personally believe the sooner the better, after all the longer we all are forced to live a lie the worse the situation gets certainly a few difficult years would follow but eventually we would emerge into sunlight and a better society. I Think millions of people already know something is very wrong with the way they are forced to live even if only subconsciously.
The expense of the machine? Well there are enough builders here on this forum to know the cost and frustration on manufacturing one off units in garages very expensive frustrating and difficult however, get any machine into mass production and we all know the result! Cheap as chips
Can we devise a simple version Joe public can make in the garage out of a few readily available odds and sods? Well everybody’s trying to do just that and when its done and I don’t think that time is far off well then the “goose is cooked”
Better by far if governments acknowledged, accepted and corrected in a controlled fashion ASAP rather than the bedlam this will create...
There is another possibility that I have neglected, Indications are that some free energy devices are using longitudinal waves at circa 291000 miles/sec it is possible that this over light speed technology has been developed into weapons technology that is being hidden for the public good.
The question still remains how to force free energy into a world that so desperately needs it and yet is totally unprepared? Some sort of “sucker punch” perhaps?
Tyson’s comments also indicate the huge shift that’s on the way however straight dealing isn’t going to get a device out there is it? TPTB are not going to “roll over” they are going to have to be kicked and tricked and fooled by slight of hand and mass communication that is really what I was considering when I opened this thread .

[lamare]

@Duncan:

You are right on many things. You may enjoy my "food for thought" thread:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-negative.html

Einstein was wrong, his relativity theory is crap. And "they" definately know it. The Germans already had flying saucers during WW-II:
DISC AIRCRAFT OF THE THIRD REICH (1922-1945 and BEYOND)
HAUNEBU

It ain't for nothing that they got all these Nazi scientists to the US. And they continued working on those:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post108816

Reich of The Black Sun - Nazi Secret Weapons and The Cold War Allied Legend

UFO How-To: Build UFO antigravity electrogravitic saucer
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ion-power.html
Bestandsoverzicht van /pdf/Patents/UfoHowto/


IMHO, the only way to change this is to cooperate and work together as open source engineers. And the most important things to figure out are the principles along which we can design working FE machines. I think I am pretty close to understanding not only Gray, but also the WFC by Meyer and Puharich. There are some more pieces of this WFC puzzle, but I'm sure I am close to the answer now:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post110588

[Farmhand]

Awesome lamare, the Otis T. Carr interviews are in your how to build a flying saucer link.

ta.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Hi Duncan

Yes we have to use slight of hand as you might say. I have documented all my work and registered it with Notaries, not just one, and that gives me a little edge over the powers that be. I am attacked nearly on a daily basis in one form or the other and have now got quite used to it, but still upsets me and frustrates me.

I have a paper pending for anouncement of generation of a nitrogen based carrier fuel which is very cheap to make, but it also could be used for explosive production or fertilisers, "the two extreams" you might say! Up to now this would need a great amount of energy and the use of hydrocarbons such as natural gas or petrolium for their hydrogen content, this now is not needed.

It has been pointed out to me that it will be blocked on the explosives production as a problem of security, what would they do to me? well use the anti terrorist laws, take me into custody with no questions asked court order and disapear without trial. As I have said before, putting this tech: out there is more of a problem than inventing it in the first place.

If you have any ideas please let me know, I will publicise in the very near future, but without construction detail.

Mike

[lamare]

Awesome lamare, the Otis T. Carr interviews are in your how to build a flying saucer link.

ta.

I have done a little patent search, based on the patents in the "basic" ufo howto book. Uploaded them here: Bestandsoverzicht van /pdf/Patents/UfoHowto/

More at: Index of /patents

Compare this patent
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/UfoHo...US3322374A.pdf
with this picture of a now *identified* flying object:

The balls below the craft are described in the patent as being capacitors....

[Duncan]

Hi Michael It sounds as if your confronting the very question that I was considering when I opened this thread, Just reading some of the observations of previous inventors they are rapidly shut down by the “authorities” in one form or another I dread to think how many legitimate inventors devices are tied up In the USA as “a threat to national security” and of course the military has first option anyway.
In the UK the situation is if anything worse “The official secrets act” is for life! Here lies the problem TPTB hold all the cards and they still cheat anyway.
They will use all and every method available to them to silence you and or your invention.
No one in hundreds of years from Bessler on has succeeded in getting a high power machine or system out there for general sale, Every Inventor (and there are hundreds) so far has failed.
I think it is fair to say a repeat of their efforts would be doomed and in some cases could cost you your life. Of course most inventors would expect a fair recompense for their endeavors quite rightly so! And that being the case try to register a patent that’s usually where the trouble starts and the last the world at large hears about the machine.
Having said that it only needs one Machine or system that is simple to construct extremely well documented and drawn capable of delivering 3 or 4 KW whose design is broadcast to 2 or 3 million computers simultaneously and the game is over.
Recompense for the inventor? I would think the Intellectual rights alone would net you millions never mind the book! In truth I doubt if any patent that concerned “free energy” on a large scale would hold up long in any country it’s just too big! Even if you worded things so as to skid round the OU rule.
As far as rights go to your invention I think you may have to fall on your sword.
However to Get a machine or proven design out there in substantial numbers would be one hell of an achievement! And nobodies done it yet!
I bet a good computer hacker could transmit detailed plans to millions of computers simultaneously. Just a thought, think dirty these buggers do!

[lamare]

I think it is fair to say a repeat of their efforts would be doomed and in some cases could cost you your life. Of course most inventors would expect a fair recompense for their endeavors quite rightly so! And that being the case try to register a patent that’s usually where the trouble starts and the last the world at large hears about the machine.
Having said that it only needs one Machine or system that is simple to construct extremely well documented and drawn capable of delivering 3 or 4 KW whose design is broadcast to 2 or 3 million computers simultaneously and the game is over.

It doesn't have to deliver kWs. What you need is a simple system that can be constructed for very little money that proofs a principle, something like this:

Haven't had the time to try this yet, but as far as I can tell this should work in principle. There may be some dirty details I haven't thought of, but I think this should work, in principle. The only question is how many transformers you need to drive from how many, because you need to match the resonances such that the load you drive is in half-wave resonance.. I think you'd have to drive two in series, cause the driving transformer is in quarter wave resonance....

As for keeping yourself alive, do as John Perkins did:
John Perkins, on “Economic Hitman,” 9/11, and What It Means to Really Love America. | elephant journal

Let’s see, um…2001. I was in the Amazon with the indigenous people there, but when I came back to the States I went to Ground Zero. And as I stood there looking down at that smoldering pit, I knew then that I had to write this book. I could no longer put it off: the American people needed to understand why there’s so much hostility toward us around the world. This isn’t to condone mass murder.
But I knew this story had to be told. This time, I decided I wouldn’t contact anybody. I would write it completely in secret, even my wife and daughter didn’t know what I was writing until the book was in the hands of my agent and sent out in manuscript form to many publishers. At that time it became my best insurance policy, because it may sell a million copies now, but if I was assassinated, if I disappeared mysteriously, they’d sell a lot more copies of the book. And the jackals know that. So it is, in fact, my insurance policy.

In other words: make sure that what you publish is such that it is that threathening to "them" to draw attention to it that they have no choice but to leave you alone!

And that means: full publishing of all the secrets and all the dirty details, IMHO. So far, this has worked for me. Never heard or seen an MIB...

[Duncan]

Point taken lamare however It would be fair to say that the various Bedini circuits built by thousands prove the small power viability and so I have to disagree with you a multi KW easily constructed machine all be it with the plans secretly circulated is what would break the strangle hold!
Its easy to see what really pisses these guys off and what gets shut down and that’s what needs getting out ! It isn’t milli watt machines or R&D that much is very clear!! It isn’t hurting them

[lamare]

Point taken lamare however It would be fair to say that the various Bedini circuits built by thousands prove the small power viability and so I have to disagree with you a multi KW easily constructed machine all be it with the plans secretly circulated is what would break the strangle hold!
Its easy to see what really pisses these guys off and what gets shut down and that’s what needs getting out ! It isn’t milli watt machines or R&D that much is very clear!! It isn’t hurting them

Good point. You need a system that can easily and cheaply be scaled up. The problem with Bedini's stuff is that he, as far as I can tell, gets his energy because he creates a non permanent electret (polarized dielectric) inside his batteries/caps, which can charge them, but only with a small current, which is comparable to a leakage current, only it goes the other way around. So, IMHO, this does not scale up easily and that's why "they" let him.

[Duncan]

Perhaps a better or even simultaneous way of attacking the constraints is “access to information”, After all your ability to develop and get your device out into the big wide world is basically suppression, just as all those who have gone before you. if you consider all the web sites you have visited in your research that have obviously had the links “butchered” sites like this, just to take an example at random Water car inventors . We know Panacea to be a respected and trusted site but it obviously has no control over the sites it links to.
It is also clear that the links that are removed are likely to be information the authorities are investing time and money to suppress. And so contain information that is “sensitive” and that it’s "hurting them" as far as I’m concerned by attacking a site TPTB are actually endorsing the information it contained.(well done panacea they did not like much of this one, keep up the good work)
I’m sure nearly everyone on this forum has got into the habit of downloading and storing information and web pages on their hard drives because they know it’s got no expected web life.
I’m no computer wiz at all but it seems to me that a web site hosted somewhere in the world, with all the legal and technical muscle to defend itself which could mirror these web sites and all the information they contained would be super!where in the world?
It would at the very least force the activities under a spot light, and hopefully into a court of law, It would also give us all somewhere to put all that information that we have saved and hoarded that has been deemed unfit by our controllers and re issue it. And wouldn’t it be one hell of a web site? I don’t know if it’s possible or not, or how much control there actually is on web traffic but worth consideration. .
.

[sucahyo]

Haven't had the time to try this yet, but as far as I can tell this should work in principle. There may be some dirty details I haven't thought of, but I think this should work, in principle. The only question is how many transformers you need to drive from how many, because you need to match the resonances such that the load you drive is in half-wave resonance.. I think you'd have to drive two in series, cause the driving transformer is in quarter wave resonance....

I would prefer connecting the first transformer secondary to battery positive instead of battery negative. not for OU reason but for health reason.