Which one the best,Wind power generators or Magnetic generators?

[khairul6355]

To have a free energy, which one generators is the best ?

[Savvypro]

The reality of so called "free energy"

You need to first define what you mean by magnetic generator. Because to convert "wind" power/movement into electricity, you currently (in the normal, main stream sense) require the use of a magnetic generator in the form of say a dynamo.

If by magnetic generator, you mean say a permanent magnet motor with a generator (dynamo) attached. Then you would first need to build one that works. Which requires you to spend money, which means that the output is not free. As the act of building/buying the device to generate the output, required you to spend money. Also don’t forget the maintenance costs - things ware out/burn out/brake, that all costs time, money and effort to fix/build/bodge.

I’m sorry if this is not the answer you're looking for, but its the reality of the matter. Getting so called "free energy" requires: time, money and effort to be put in - before you get access.

Although I will say this: the wind doesn’t always blow, anything that can generate an output on demand (in whatever form that your require - be it: mechanical, electrical, gas etc.) is a lot better than something that only performs at set periods or if the planets are aligned or once in a blue moon, or if you have to sacrifice a goat with 5 legs and a missing eye just to get it going.

[ashtweth]

Hi khairul6355, to the best of my knowledge magnetic generators are not accessible to the general public at this time so its all R and D for US.

Wind power is cheap and easy. Ideally if you could make a magnetic generator work (check this site for some of the best research)

Free energy with magnets

It should last a long time, not sure abut the power to weight ratio tho. Sadly its al R and D for ow til wee get safe conditions in the public for inventors and their inventions to have a home. Minato is gone, no one wants to build the Japanese one Tom B talks about which according to Tom can be done from the patent.

Steorn technically is a magnetic generator but still in the development phase to get into application so i guess it depends on how long you can wait my friend. Wind power is cheap and Easy.

Ash

[khairul6355]

Hi khairul6355, to the best of my knowledge magnetic generators are not accessible to the general public at this time so its all R and D for US.

Wind power is cheap and easy. Ideally if you could make a magnetic generator work (check this site for some of the best research)

Free energy with magnets

It should last a long time, not sure abut the power to weight ratio tho. Sadly its al R and D for ow til wee get safe conditions in the public for inventors and their inventions to have a home. Minato is gone, no one wants to build the Japanese one Tom B talks about which according to Tom can be done from the patent.

Steorn technically is a magnetic generator but still in the development phase to get into application so i guess it depends on how long you can wait my friend. Wind power is cheap and Easy.

Ash

That's mean, wind power is the best for commercial investment.

[EgmQC]

That's mean, wind power is the best for commercial investment.

Its always situational , if where you live you don't have enough wind but a lot of sunny days , solar will be the best but if you have a lot of wind , windmill will be the choice since its 24/24 unlike solar but solar will fit everywhere , everyone have sunny day but windmill really require special emplacement that have a good wind at least 10 hour a day because what you will do if there not enough wind for 3 days ? you will get 0 power unlike on cloud day with solar you can still extract some power.

Both have a big cost for a full house off grid, battery bank + windmill or solar panel + regulator + inverter + cable + etc will begin at the very very minimum at 20K.

Best Regards,
EgmQC

[Cloxxki]

Its always situational , if where you live you don't have enough wind but a lot of sunny days , solar will be the best but if you have a lot of wind , windmill will be the choice since its 24/24 unlike solar but solar will fit everywhere , everyone have sunny day but windmill really require special emplacement that have a good wind at least 10 hour a day because what you will do if there not enough wind for 3 days ? you will get 0 power unlike on cloud day with solar you can still extract some power.

Both have a big cost for a full house off grid, battery bank + windmill or solar panel + regulator + inverter + cable + etc will begin at the very very minimum at 20K.

Best Regards,
EgmQC

Could energy not be more cheaply stored in potential energy?
I was thinking of a well and tower below the solar or wind device, with a concrete or other massive multi-tonne weight operatin not unlike an old clock. If you have a 20mt weight and 10m vertical in energy storage, you can extract that pretty efficiently. I'd have to do a calc for some insiht as to how long you'd run a fridge on that. Fridges need better insulation anyway.
Another approach might be a huge spring bank. This does require some more advanced engineering I suppose, to safely contain the "charge".

[EgmQC]

Could energy not be more cheaply stored in potential energy?
I was thinking of a well and tower below the solar or wind device, with a concrete or other massive multi-tonne weight operatin not unlike an old clock. If you have a 20mt weight and 10m vertical in energy storage, you can extract that pretty efficiently. I'd have to do a calc for some insiht as to how long you'd run a fridge on that. Fridges need better insulation anyway.
Another approach might be a huge spring bank. This does require some more advanced engineering I suppose, to safely contain the "charge".

From the source to the end , the more you transform the energy , the more it decrease, you will need to lift your weight so you need a motor who use energy and have some % of loss and the friction/etc from lifting the weight add another loss. The final product will add more loss with the friction when the weight go down + the loss inside the generator who transform that energy. at the end there too many transformation and you end up with a lot less. A lot more efficient to store the energy needed to lift the weight in a battery for later use, why add more loss in transformation ?

Best Regards,
EgmQC

[jibbguy]

I suggest to those folks who ask me, who are looking to go either Off Grid or for "on-board" marine living... that they should consider doing BOTH Solar (PV) and Wind. This is because of the area where i live which has a lot of wind available. So, if they were looking for a budget of, say "2kW" daily, then they could consider an "800 Watt" wind turbine, and 1,200 W's in solar panels. Especially on boats, because more than that for solar takes up way too much space and its a ***** to mount them all on stand-off brackets (especially sail boats, where they have to be designed so shadows from the mast and rigging won't lay on them.. as this considerably "kills" the output much more than the surface area that is "shadowed").

The "downside" of wind (besides the obvious), is that the moving parts are subject to a lot of wear, and require maintenance and replacement more so than Solar photo-voltaic. Essentially: The bearings wear out; and they ain't cheap or easy to replace. Also, on land they are more subject to local regulations and laws. The upside is, they run at night and thus can greatly cut down on the number of batts needed.

I also tell them to be sure to get good BIG deep cycle batts, and a good pulsing charging system... and don't scrimp there because it won't pay in the end

Frankly when looking at this realistically: Imo, it is difficult to imagine an "all-magnet motor generator" in this present political climate (whether a working design should exist or not)... A world where BP destroys entire ecosystems and puts millions at significant health risk, then corrupts the entire U.S. government to back it in its lies and gets off scott free.

Lol, if we cannot even get any justice or protection from being blatantly poisoned here, then how can we expect something to be allowed that would put them and their partners in crime mainly out of business within a few years?

Such concerns are very real, as we can now see with the BP Gulf Disaster.

Another, very serious, problem with magnet motors being widely embraced would be the availability of Rare Earth elements. The supplies for these are up to 90% owned privately by a cartel of Chinese and Japanese mining interests (Japanese "corps" and Chinese "entities" that are half-State owned, half controlled by Chinese Communist Party big-wigs personally).

So a huge sudden demand on Neodymium mags would be very problematic... nobody really knows what would happen then (and the actual tons of available ore cannot be known accurately, because we can expect the cartel to lie about it), but the costs of rare earth magnets would certainly skyrocket at any rate.

A design that can successfully use bigger, bulkier, heavier, and much more easily de-Gaussed Ceramic Mags would be fine, though... After all, if the mags need re-Gaussing, say once a year, that is not a terrible thing in the end; and it could be a nice local small business opportunity for people.

No one knows yet if this is possible i guess, as all the ones we see listed in Free Energy sites (be they really working or not), as far as i know, are based on "Neo's" or perhaps in the case of some of Howard Johnson's earlier ones, "cobalts".