Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[nilrehob]

I tried the stingo circuit from this post http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post111897
in the falstad simulator http://www.falstad.com/circuit/
and it seems to work fine even there
here is the "part list" to paste into the import window
if anyone else would like to try it out
(but like me don't have the time right now to do it in real life)

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don't miss to copy the last line-break

/Hob

[7imix]

I tried the stingo circuit from this post http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post111897
in the falstad simulator http://www.falstad.com/circuit/
and it seems to work fine even there
here is the "part list" to paste into the import window
if anyone else would like to try it out
(but like me don't have the time right now to do it in real life)

awesome. I also tried the stingo in a simulator and was pleased to see it work. Thanks for sharing your layout!

[cikljamas]

I see. That is weird.
I thought that by paralleling battery we get reduced input. I will check again.

In that Ossie Calahans REAC he use dipol of sulphated dead batteries
connected in series, not parallel, maybe it can give you some clue...
Let me think audibly : R = U/I ...I = U * R...It means that there is more
current if R is biger, that is what you mean, but somehow it does not work
again in practice...Did you check it again ? In theory or in practice ?

For a circuit that consume 350mA, that is good . Agree that we need something more powerfull. hex controller charger produce at least 4 times.

Are you going to join our efforts to do something about that something
more powerfull in my thread "This is it" ?

I was today in that guys house, and he sold me 5 toroids, 4 $ each...
I told him about Al factor, low permeability, dusty(not rusty as you have
written by mistake i guess)iron, and low saturation, and all that is
compatible with what we already had agreed about, your informations
just confirmed our presumptions...But THANK YOU VERY MUCH all the same !

I wound one of them(toroids) today and i tested it too, and results are good indeed !
But then i noticed something weird again...
After i put it to test my last free stingo (three others are already connected
together ) with this new wound core i noticed that this one stingo can
achieve the same result as those three stingo that are connected together ?!
I connected them by connecting all FWBR + in one spot, and all FWBR -
in other spot...
Then i asked myself what is the advantage of three stingo comparing that
single stingo and i had to conclude that the only advantage is that these
three stingo coils do not get worm as the coil of single stingo does only
after few minutes of charging ! But it mustnt be just that, am i right ?
What do you think, what i am doing wrong ?

I think i know now why my big toroid showed so bad result when i tested
it with stingo...This man showed me how these big toroid cores looks like,
most of them are assembled of those thin ferrite plates, and we know
now that ferrite cores are no good for stingo, as they are no good for
Bob Boyce toroids too, they must be of dusty iron...And he said he does not
have these big toroids composed of dusty iron, but he knows one guy
who knows where i could find these dusty iron bigcores too...
I will call him next week since he promised me he was going to ask that
man about that information...

Do you think that if we obtained such kind of big cores we should try
Bob Boyce project or we need something more special cores for that
purpose ?

Rgds!

[sucahyo]

I tried the stingo circuit from this post http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post111897
in the falstad simulator http://www.falstad.com/circuit/
and it seems to work fine even there

Many thanks . I fail to make it work, but you solve it

It means that there is more current if R is biger, that is what you mean, but somehow it does not work again in practice...Did you check it again ? In theory or in practice ?

I thought that as load battery act as resistor. But I did the parallel output experiment and I did not notice change of input current too. That still weird but that also mean parallel trick do not work.

But today John Bedini had just mention that using more battery has purposes:

If you succeed in building that machine the out come is a burned out crystallized battery, that is why they took his batteries to know if the energy was in them sir. I can not speak for Bit's but the machine was right in front of everybody to see and touch and ask questions. What did I do to save myself at that time was to build the Mono Pole as that was the answer to the DC motor problem.

The problem is that everybody must change things before they learn anything, not my problem is it if you fail. If you have the energy the batteries must be separated that is why you see a dual bank of batteries and current is not the answer either as it stops the production of this energy. So why did I put current meters on everything it's for the eye of the ignorant and I mean it this way (Unaware or uninformed in the truth of things).

So I still explore it.

Are you going to join our efforts to do something about that something more powerfull in my thread "This is it" ?

I read that thread too. I will join if I feel I can contribute. I see the goal is set but the step is not.

I was today in that guys house, and he sold me 5 toroids, 4 $ each...
I told him about Al factor, low permeability, dusty(not rusty as you have written by mistake i guess)iron, and low saturation, and all that is compatible with what we already had agreed about, your informations just confirmed our presumptions...But THANK YOU VERY MUCH all the same !

That is great . But I do mean rusty. Rusted iron is mentioned somewhere on SSG document.

I wound one of them(toroids) today and i tested it too, and results are good indeed !

Nice .

But then i noticed something weird again...
After i put it to test my last free stingo (three others are already connected
together ) with this new wound core i noticed that this one stingo can
achieve the same result as those three stingo that are connected together ?!
I connected them by connecting all FWBR + in one spot, and all FWBR -
in other spot...

You connect it wrong. Use this bellow:


Mine for two


Each of radiant output (between coil and NPN collector) represent R1 to R4. If you still don't understand, I draw the complete one.

Then i asked myself what is the advantage of three stingo comparing that single stingo and i had to conclude that the only advantage is that these three stingo coils do not get worm as the coil of single stingo does only after few minutes of charging ! But it mustnt be just that, am i right ? What do you think, what i am doing wrong ?

If doing with FWBR combiner more stingo will produce better efficiency thatn individual stingo. With previous COP measurement, I achieve 75% once.

I think i know now why my big toroid showed so bad result when i tested it with stingo...This man showed me how these big toroid cores looks like, most of them are assembled of those thin ferrite plates, and we know now that ferrite cores are no good for stingo, as they are no good for Bob Boyce toroids too, they must be of dusty iron...And he said he does not have these big toroids composed of dusty iron, but he knows one guy who knows where i could find these dusty iron bigcores too...
I will call him next week since he promised me he was going to ask that man about that information...

I don't know much about core, so I really appreciate that .

Do you think that if we obtained such kind of big cores we should try Bob Boyce project or we need something more special cores for that purpose ?

It worth to try. I think what you just obtain is enough.

If you have 5 then you can try one with two pole (using half circle) like steorn orbo way.


BTW, I just notice that Bob Boyce use insulated wire.

For the great majority of systems, the secondary winding is a tightly wound, single layer, full-fill wrap of 16 gauge, single-core, silver-plated, teflon-insulated copper wire. There will be about 133 turns in this winding, though it can vary from 127 to 147 turns due to manufacturing tolerances in the insulation. This will need a wire length of about 100 feet, and the whole of the toroid is covered by this ‘secondary’ winding.

For me this is as important as this bellow:
The Energy Experimenting People. - Bedini Conference - Powered by ForumCo.com - The Forum Company

You can see the machine running because of the blur. He had switched it to charge mode. In about five minutes the batteries were charged and he tried to get everyone up there and past it while it was running . I think he wanted everyone to feel the energy around the machine. It permeated your whole body! My jacket was vibrating!

[sucahyo]

Parallel output do reduce consumption

I decide to redo the experiment with my current charger, two stingo combined, powered with computer power supply at 11.5V. I use latest combiner circuit and I use capacitor in parallel with the load.

Input current with two nicad in series as load = 750mA.
Input current with four nicad in series and parallel as load = 710mA.

YouTube - Test of stingo with parallel output

The difference is very small. But it is there. With 12V battery as load the input current = 1000mA.

Maybe this is the reason for battery bank.

[cikljamas]

But today John Bedini had just mention that using more battery has purposes:
So I still explore it.

To be honest, i must confess i do not understand much of these Bedini
words, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa ! Could you stress the main point
of that story ?

You connect it wrong. Use this bellow:

Could i use this combination without capacitors, just diodes ?
Could i use this combination with FWBR too, or FWBR doesnt work in this
case ?

If doing with FWBR combiner more stingo will produce better efficiency thatn individual stingo. With previous COP measurement, I achieve 75% once.

When you say if doing with FWBR do you mean that in that case i could
connect all FWBR + to one spot, and all FWBR - to other spot or not ?
You see , i am confused about how to put together FWBR and your
diodes and capacitors around charged battery...Do this two things go
together at all, or not, i mean FWBR and that diodes/capacitors combine ?

If you have 5 then you can try one with two pole (using half circle) like steorn orbo way.

Steorn orbo way ? Should i use google to find out what is that or you
have some shorter way to that ?

REgards !
Do you know what is the time here ? 6 a. m. Have a good night !

[cikljamas]

Waiting for your answer i spent great part of this saturday playing with
stingo, trying to give myself those answers that i put yesterday to you,
and trying it the best (PRACTICAL) way...Well, my conclusion is that
the way that i have used stingo until now is the best way...I tried your
diodes/cap. at the output even before but today i put a lot of effort to
make different measurements, and i concluded like i said : those diodes/caps
seems do not improve my stingos output...I even shot a little video about
that :

YouTube - stingo charging

One correction :
There was a little mistake in this video, but it is obvious that i said wrong:
It is 200 mA on the output that i should have said, not 20 mA as i by mistake said !!!

Rgds !

[cikljamas]

I decide to redo the experiment with my current charger, two stingo combined, powered with computer power supply at 11.5V. I use latest combiner circuit and I use capacitor in parallel with the load.

Input current with two nicad in series as load = 750mA.
Input current with four nicad in series and parallel as load = 710mA.

YouTube - Test of stingo with parallel output

The difference is very small. But it is there. With 12V battery as load the input current = 1000mA.

Maybe this is the reason for battery bank.

Yes, it works with nicad batteries but try to parallel 12 V lead acid batteries
as load, and you will see just decreasing of charging efficiency, nothing else...
So, i do not believe that it could be reason for battery bank if we talk
(and we do) about 12 V lead acid batteries ! I would be very happy if
it turned out that i am damn wrong !

[cikljamas]

I played today again with stingo charger but this time i used your
(Sucahyo) last drawing which is different from that one i showed
in my last video which i printed few months ago...This one is
obviously good one combine...Now i achieved slightly improvement :
about 10 mA (instead previous 360/185 now i have 360/195) charging
lead acid battery...I hope there is going to be even better improvements
charging other kind of batteries...So, it is not much, but however it is
sweet...Thank you once again !
Sorry for my boring posts, but maybe it has to be like that (to bother other
people from time to time or even constantly till one point in time which is achievement of our goal) if we want to get somewhere...
But, there is not so much good patient fellows like you that are willing to
suffer being bother from such pain in the ass guys as i am sometimes, and
that is why i thank you so much so often...
But since i am not rich i can not award you otherwise but with lot of thanks
and sorry !!!
And you see, i also try to redeem myself a little bit by experimenting while
i am waiting your answers so that i bother you as little as it is possible !
Thanks for your understanding too !

Cheers !

[7imix]

Raw data posts are not boring, thanks for sharing. Posting an update on progress building and measuring a specific thing helps give inspiration to build the same thing or compare measurements.

[Guruji]

Stingo circuit

Hi guys how much efficient this stingo circuit can be? ~Is this better than a Joule thief circuit for charging in efficiency?
Thanks

[cikljamas]

Raw data posts are not boring, thanks for sharing. Posting an update on progress building and measuring a specific thing helps give inspiration to build the same thing or compare measurements.

Thanks 7imix, you are one of those good guys too !
Now that we finished most of stingos unknowns we can
devote to our selfcharger keeping in mind all these precious
stingo experiences...
But stingo is inexhaustible source of inspiration, which means
that we are going to stick with stingo too as long as people
are going to fall in love with it as i was,though not at the first glance,
but by the time...

Hi guys how much efficient this stingo circuit can be? ~Is this better than a Joule thief circuit for charging in efficiency?
Thanks

I dont know about Joule thief circuit, but i can tell you that stingo is
better than Bedinis ssg for charging purposes...And there is also other
purposes that i have not explored yet, but i am going to for sure...
So,Guruji welcome in stingo world !
The best way to learn about stingo is to read all over this thread,
there is quite enough informations about everything that you
could possibly want to know about it !
Furthermore, this thread is not yet so voluminous, so use that
advantage !
Rgds !

[cikljamas]

stingo overunity

Should i comment this ?
YouTube - stingo overunity

[sucahyo]

To be honest, i must confess i do not understand much of these Bedini words

I translate that as direction not to ignore what seems like a meaningless arrangement.

Since Bedini also mention relation with Edward Leedskalnin, then geometry may be important too. In stingo this means that the wire should not touch or cross each other. But more experiment needed.

Could i use this combination without capacitors, just diodes ?
Could i use this combination with FWBR too, or FWBR doesnt work in this
case ?

This replace FWBR. 1uF/250V capacitor purposes is for better efficiency. Without capacitor, it will not be efficient. Capacitor is important. If you don't have similar capacitor, use any ceramic capacitor (non electrolytic) with biggest value.

When you say if doing with FWBR do you mean that in that case i could connect all FWBR + to one spot, and all FWBR - to other spot or not ?
You see , i am confused about how to put together FWBR and your
diodes and capacitors around charged battery...Do this two things go
together at all, or not, i mean FWBR and that diodes/capacitors combine ?

I refer the FWBR for two stingo to be FWBR combiner. will post the complere circuit later today.

Steorn orbo way ? Should i use google to find out what is that or you have some shorter way to that ?

You wound two coil in the toroid. Each occupy half circle.

Do you know what is the time here ? 6 a. m. Have a good night !

Have some sleep! or better, use stingo to help you sleep .

Hi guys how much efficient this stingo circuit can be? ~Is this better than a Joule thief circuit for charging in efficiency?
Thanks

Stingo will be more efficient than joule thief. With FWBR combiner, it will be more than twice more.

those diodes/caps
seems do not improve my stingos output...I even shot a little video about
that :

YouTube - stingo charging

Possible mistakes:
- no capacitor. Capacitor will increase efficiency more than 150%.
- use of low rating diode. You seem to use low rating diode. As result your transistor get hot and the output current is limited.

Wired correctly the output must be at least similar the the sum of each stingo output. If each produce 300mA then three must produce 900mA.

Check the specification of your diode. From the size, I think it only around 100mA. I use diode with 2 Amp rating.


Congratulation that you can get higher output current with lead acid load

[sucahyo]

Here is the diagram for FWBR combiner for three stingo.