Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[Farmhand]

Thanks Farmhand !
Well, now i must to put you a few questions..
That ignition coil, where i should search to provide that ?
Volcano coil, that is something homemade i suppose ?
In that drawing there is no 3 to 1 transformer, you should add that too
for us suckers !
And how to recognize 3 to 1 transformer, could you express it in voltages ?

I hope too ,you are making something really marvellous !

1. The ignition coil is just any old ignition coil with a cap on it.

2. Yeah Volcano coil is what I call it, its a Bifilar conical coil. I made mine from a garden solar light lenz, then wound the coils on it, just roughly one at a time, glued with hot glue. best results to keep the coils about 10 mm apart.

3. The three to one tranformer is one I made, it's a Quadfilar coil (for windings) One as primary and the other three serise connected Tesla Style Positive to negative. I will add it to the drawing tonight. The next video shows it working in the recovery mode. I do things a bit backwards I make it first then draw it I can't draw every stage of evolution.

I can see it will self run but not sure if it will charge the source battery over 12.9v or so I don't think with the recovery method i'm using that is possible, but it is very interesting and promising. And Can be fun when the juice is turned up.

I have it now using maybe 180Ma t0 240 Ma it;s very hard to tell, without a proper analogue meter. Video soon !!

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Here's the new video.

YouTube - Charging Setup Volcano.wmv

It's just done, enjoy.

Note. The charging battery in that vid is not a good battery and doesn't charge right up at any time.

Also it's not very accurite to measure the battery voltage while the setup is running because of interference, the meter i was using is the only one will give a reading the others make no sense just random numbers and blankouts.

[sucahyo]

I can get it down to about 200 to 400 Ma input DMM won't work so thats with 5 Amp Analogue not very accurite it can also go up to 1.5 Amps input with arcing and stuff .

Yes, I also have problem measuring with DMM while sparking the output.

Thanks for the video and photos . Nice .

I see that you get sting a bit. I found that it only hurt if you make yourself as spark gap. as long as you don't connect as parallel capacitor, it won't hurt.


I wonder why your microphone pick the sing louder when there is no spark. It must not be auto gain since it is very instantly.

Battery charging isn't working too well, the protection neons are lit so maybe i can charge with it the normal way as well.

Edit ! yay I got it to charge batteries now too and it's fast With Stingo like this the power is back to front I turn the pot which usually makes it use more power and it uses less there is a "range where the protection neons go out and the battery is charging then.

How about removing the protection neon when charging?

Today I began winding the torroid. It's a hell of a job Been winding it about 2hours now. Hope I did not use a thick gauge now

We all have that moment .

In fact, when you see my combiner you will see everything because you know how this thing works, if anything was wrong than you would/could notice that in that picture of my combiner, am i right ?

This is puzzling, you do it correctly. Your photos show correct combiner, only missing wires and diode from the ground.

Now the only thing left is to make sure that all stingo run if you connect it that way. Set all three 500K pot in the middle setting (or remove the two) and connect the stingo power one by one.

Nice that you change all the diode to 2 Amp . You should observe more output power with higher input.

Hi all, I think i've got something very interesting, it's a bit soon to say, but I think i've got a self runner/charger that charges another battery and does wireless or one wire lighting to a degree and I think I can harvest more yet.

Congratulation for that. I hope you can improve it more .

I'll leave it run for a couple of hours to see what happens, but I got to find a battery to charge, I had to stop it because the charging battery is charged.

I I have that kind of moment too, I want to run stingo but all the battery had been charged lol...

Very early days yet need an extended test problems will arise for sure, I will try it with a busted bulb for a spark gap if I can find one. That might help. Any other idea's for a durable very small spark gap, I tried a neon but it's not as good for some reason. A better way to pulse the energy back to primary would be handy too.

I have been thinking of this but I can't do it right now, it won't spark at 3V input. Becarefull, this has high potential to break the transistor and anything else connected to the battery. We can't use protection neon since it will kill the spark gap.



I find dead lightbulb to be similar to very small spark gap. I find it can run on much lower input.

I think very small spark gap force the production of DC arc like I obtained before with 18V input. DC arc is known to produce anomalous result in glow discharge literature.

Oh and I forgot to say I am using a 3 to 1 transformer after the symetrical series caps, to charge the electrolytic cap to pulse back to the source battery.

Nice idea to use neon to pulse it . So when the neon turn on, the source battery get charged?

[cikljamas]

Sucahyo, you have to have some stingo with trasformer on the
output or something like that to increase efficiency, or i am wrong ?

So, what is your estimation what output should i have with three
stingo and with 350 or 400 mA input if i have with one stingo and
350 mA of the input, 180 mA on the output ?

Now that i am infected with stingo efficiency i have to solve this
problem one way or another, if it does not work with more stingos
let s make it with transformer...

I put instead 500 K to all three stingo same resistors of 100 K,
and instead of two 10 K i put 68 K resistors, and just one stingo
has one pot in the place of 10 K pot., and it is not 10 K but 100 K
pot., so i described to you even these details in order to help you
to get a clue since i am left without further ideas...

And i noticed that 100 K resistors are very important, that is about
minimum value for that resistor, but also there could be resistor
with higher value, but not with lower...Yeah, i noticed that, searching
for answer how to improve my stingos efficiency, but there is not
much other components that we could adjust...So we come to the end
of that story...But, one day if i found out what cause this problem i
will certainly let you know !

I even ordered today several ksc 5027 since you said it is the best
npn option for stingo, and for about two weeks i will have them too,
to try stingo with this transistors, but i doubt that it could be that
missing link...It must be something much more trivial, but still
hidden from my power of understanding...

Well, sometimes we just have to wait, and when we do not expect
at all solution of the problem comes out surprisingly by itself

Cheers !

[Farmhand]

Hi all, I just realised I got the transformer back to front, the collector coil feeds the Series connected windings and the single winding is the secondary connected to the load, it's a step down transformer.

I did another test for a half hour and the source battery lost .02v this time. But the charging battery is charged. Now i'll discharge the batteries to 12.3v i'll use two good ones to test properly.

Sucahyo the battery charging still works good with the protection neons in there, they indicate the tuning is good. Also noticed the two neons at the side spark gap are good indicators of the output.

THe input is aprox 200 Ma at 12.6v thats 2.52 Watts.

I need to work out how much capacity I need to drop into the source battery and at what frequency and voltage to be able to have a self runner.

I did notice that as it went for a while the Discharges back to the source battery got quicker frequency and went for longer but it didn't seem to charge it, just stayed the same, like it's self leveling.

My source battery was already fully charged so maybe if it was discharged a bit it could charge it, i'll have to try it.

Cheers

[sucahyo]

Sucahyo, you have to have some stingo with trasformer on the output or something like that to increase efficiency, or i am wrong ?

No. My charger use two toroid without secondary. It work the same way with air core or iron core transformer.

So, what is your estimation what output should i have with three stingo and with 350 or 400 mA input if i have with one stingo and 350 mA of the input, 180 mA on the output ?

Did you limit the input current? If not then if one stingo is 350ma, then three stingo consume about 900mA with output about 500mA.

I put instead 500 K to all three stingo same resistors of 100 K, and instead of two 10 K i put 68 K resistors, and just one stingo has one pot in the place of 10 K pot., and it is not 10 K but 100 K pot., so i described to you even these details in order to help you to get a clue since i am left without further ideas...

Thanks. The charger I have now combine two stingo and only one has 500K potentiometer. I remove the other 500K one.. don't replace it with smaller pot, remove it.

Start the one with 500K pot first. Then turn on the other one by one and see if you get more output.

And i noticed that 100 K resistors are very important, that is about minimum value for that resistor, but also there could be resistor with higher value, but not with lower...

The stingo range value will depend a lot on coil. But I agree that smaller range is better for charging application and toroid.

I even ordered today several ksc 5027 since you said it is the best npn option for stingo, and for about two weeks i will have them too, to try stingo with this transistors, but i doubt that it could be that
missing link...It must be something much more trivial, but still hidden from my power of understanding...

Great . It is not the missing link but will provide huge boost .


Make sure all three stingo run. I notice that I sometime have to touch some wire to allow them all to run. This is happen on some occasion but I don't keep mark of what cause it.

When I see the amp out is half of what expected, I began touching terminal....

[Farmhand]

Quote:

Originally Posted by cikljamas
I even ordered today several ksc 5027 since you said it is the best npn option for stingo, and for about two weeks i will have them too, to try stingo with this transistors, but i doubt that it could be that
missing link...It must be something much more trivial, but still hidden from my power of understanding...

Great . It is not the missing link but will provide huge boost .

I agree I am using one on my stingo and I see a better form from that side of the AC than the TIP32c side any tips for a better PNP? I burned one Tip32c already doing high volume spark experiments. The ksc5027 handled it ok though. I'm using small heat sinks, but for long time high volume hi AMP spark experiments I need a big sink, I got a 60mm x 60 mm heat sink from computer processor with fan already attached to big fins, I think I will drill and tap some holes for mounting two sets of parallel transistors for more current. Pots and all should fit on there, like what 7imix did.

I've touched the HV terminal and stuff a few times by accident and it's just like a buzzer. I wouldn't do it on purpose though.

I noticed that if I use a steel core in my recovery transformer it's not as good air core seems much more often discharge.

So whats the best PNP transistor is there one like ksc5027 like a match for it ? A complimentory one I think is the word.

Rgds

[Farmhand]

Sucahyo I still don't understand exactly how this works.

Can anyone tell me kinda what is happening with my setup? How does it complete the circuit with an air gap like that?

Is that how Tesla did his sparkless air gap ?

It's very strange I imagine there is an ionised path there between the terminals of the air gap so potential can pass but there is not enough current flow for spark .

I wonder what sort of frequency it has. I can get the small spark gap so small it sounds like whistling air. Thats when the charging is best and least draw.

I think the best I will get is very slow drop on the source battery, at least how it is anyway, one thing left is that the collector coil is two wires parallel if i connect them in series the coil will be twice as long. Yeah i'll try that.

Any idea's welcome, even the wierd one's i'll consider them all.

I think I need to make a different conical coil too one for high frequency, with thinner wire and more coils and no reverse of direction at the top.

Anyway i'll mess about some more.

Cheers

[Jbignes5]

Try this...

Sucahyo I still don't understand exactly how this works.

Can anyone tell me kinda what is happening with my setup? How does it complete the circuit with an air gap like that?

Is that how Tesla did his sparkless air gap ?

It's very strange I imagine there is an ionised path there between the terminals of the air gap so potential can pass but there is not enough current flow for spark .

I wonder what sort of frequency it has. I can get the small spark gap so small it sounds like whistling air. Thats when the charging is best and least draw.

I think the best I will get is very slow drop on the source battery, at least how it is anyway, one thing left is that the collector coil is two wires parallel if i connect them in series the coil will be twice as long. Yeah i'll try that.

Any idea's welcome, even the wierd one's i'll consider them all.

I think I need to make a different conical coil too one for high frequency, with thinner wire and more coils and no reverse of direction at the top.

Anyway i'll mess about some more.

Cheers

Get two small magnets, preferably neo's. Strap on onto each side of the spark gap. Poles should be in attraction mode, north to south. This should make your gap run super fast with multiples of switches per sec over what you have now. This type of gap should replace your transitors for switching the high voltage. You will need the trannies for the beginning to get the high voltage but after the coil you only need the gap to multiply the frequency.

The gap that does not fire but still allows the connection is exactly what Tesla figured out with his multiple gap setups. He could still get the oscillations but there was no damage to the electrodes or loud sounds from that setup. I believe the frequency is so high that the gap can not fire but still transfers the energy to the rest of the setup.

Let me be the first to say that you should take care in experimenting with this kind of setup. Not only could you expose yourself to RF energy but you can also expose yourself to microwave energies when the frequency rises. I have been reading about what the frequency would be in the range that a magnet can interrupt the spark. This would be in the Terahertz range or 10^12 range of frequency. This area is the top of the microwave and the lower infrared frequency ranges. This is what they call the magic area and has many different qualities if you enter that range. Like I said please be very careful of not exposing yourself to these energy fields for extended times. RF burns can be very deep and not apparent after being exposed to the RF field.

[7imix]

Sucahyo I still don't understand exactly how this works.

Can anyone tell me kinda what is happening with my setup? How does it complete the circuit with an air gap like that?

Is that how Tesla did his sparkless air gap ?

It's very strange I imagine there is an ionised path there between the terminals of the air gap so potential can pass but there is not enough current flow for spark .

I wonder what sort of frequency it has. I can get the small spark gap so small it sounds like whistling air. Thats when the charging is best and least draw.

This is a dark mode plasma discharge. Electricity is flowing through the ionized plasma between the spark gap but not enough to cause light or heat or much sound, which is just wasted energy and should be minimized. I showed one of my spark gaps operating in dark mode in one of my videos... The one-wire video I think...

The higher the frequency the better. Above audible frequency is probably best, although it might be difficult to achieve with a car coil (iron core remagnetizes too slowly) and an air gap (voltage required to jump the gap is too high, requiring a big transformer that's probably too slow because of iron core)

The next post I make will talk about air spark gap alternatives...

[7imix]

Go to the bottom of THIS PAGE for an innovative alternative
to a spark gap.

Modern Technology at work...

Thank you very much for this post. I have been searching for an alternative to air spark gaps as well. Here are some possibilities from the section "devices used to suppress transients" in "practical electronics for inventors"

Zener diodes
Transient voltage supressor diodes (one of these is used in one of Don Smith's schematics)
Metal oxide varistor
Multiple layer varistor
Surgector
Avalanche diode
Gas discharge and spark gap tvs
Polyswitches

[cikljamas]

No. My charger use two toroid without secondary. It work the same way with air core or iron core transformer.

Could we see that toroid, it must be something interesting ?
What is efficiency of that stingo with two toroid ?

I tried today my last attempt to find out what is going on with my
three stingo combiner and i noticed that maybe nothing is wrong
with my stingo combiner but the problem might be my interpretation
of stingo efficiency and how i measured it...Other problem could be
the fact that i removed those pots, so i brought myself in even worse
situation regarding accuracy of measurement...I mean, if you measure
three stingo efficiency in range between 200 - 500 mAmps it is not
enough to see benefits of more stingos...

But, doing this last attempt i noticed something very, very weird, and
i think that there is great possibility that even you do not know about
that. And if you know it is going to be very interesting to here your
explanation for that.
That weird discovery is this : If you disconnect all R (stingo outputs)
except one, nothing happens, it means that you can adjust your three
or four stingo combiner with all pots on all stingos having just one
stingo output (for instance R1) connected to charging battery positive !!!
It seems impossible and stupid but it is as say ! Try if you do not believe
me and you will see that i am right !
And if i was not clear : the thing is that mAmps (input and output) stay
the same (no changing at all) when you disconnect all but just one stingo
output, nothing happens !
But it is recommended to connect all outputs just in case that something
happens with one of three or four stingo output connections, but it is not
necessary !

But the question remains : How can it be ?
So much diodes for nothing ?
But stingo is great, this discovery can not overshadow stingo greatness !
I am just very surprised with that discovery,but nothing more than that !

Cheers !

[Guruji]

toroid winding

I finished winding my toroid but it's giving me 0.7ohms could not put more on it. Toroid is full. Hope this would be good.
Regarding spark gaps I read that they emit X rays so be aware guys for your health.

[Farmhand]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farmhand
Sucahyo I still don't understand exactly how this works.

Can anyone tell me kinda what is happening with my setup? How does it complete the circuit with an air gap like that?

Is that how Tesla did his sparkless air gap ?

It's very strange I imagine there is an ionised path there between the terminals of the air gap so potential can pass but there is not enough current flow for spark .

I wonder what sort of frequency it has. I can get the small spark gap so small it sounds like whistling air. Thats when the charging is best and least draw.

I think the best I will get is very slow drop on the source battery, at least how it is anyway, one thing left is that the collector coil is two wires parallel if i connect them in series the coil will be twice as long. Yeah i'll try that.

Any idea's welcome, even the wierd one's i'll consider them all.

I think I need to make a different conical coil too one for high frequency, with thinner wire and more coils and no reverse of direction at the top.

Anyway i'll mess about some more.

Cheers

Get two small magnets, preferably neo's. Strap on onto each side of the spark gap. Poles should be in attraction mode, north to south. This should make your gap run super fast with multiples of switches per sec over what you have now. This type of gap should replace your transitors for switching the high voltage. You will need the trannies for the beginning to get the high voltage but after the coil you only need the gap to multiply the frequency.

The gap that does not fire but still allows the connection is exactly what Tesla figured out with his multiple gap setups. He could still get the oscillations but there was no damage to the electrodes or loud sounds from that setup. I believe the frequency is so high that the gap can not fire but still transfers the energy to the rest of the setup.

Let me be the first to say that you should take care in experimenting with this kind of setup. Not only could you expose yourself to RF energy but you can also expose yourself to microwave energies when the frequency rises. I have been reading about what the frequency would be in the range that a magnet can interrupt the spark. This would be in the Terahertz range or 10^12 range of frequency. This area is the top of the microwave and the lower infrared frequency ranges. This is what they call the magic area and has many different qualities if you enter that range. Like I said please be very careful of not exposing yourself to these energy fields for extended times. RF burns can be very deep and not apparent after being exposed to the RF field

Jbignes5, Thanks for all that info, now i'm officially spooked out, sounds dangerous, I think i'll set it aside for a while and have a think about it, i've learned a bit about what I can do so now i'll have a think about some different ways to do some things, I don't have any neo's but i'll try to get some, all up I only ran it for an hour or three. Funny thing is my neck problem feels a bit better, probably just another coincidence. There is a lot to be learned by experiment unfortunately it's difficult to express in words some things observed.


7imix,

The next post I make will talk about air spark gap alternatives...

Awsome i'll be watching.

Sucahyo, I had the regular battery charging from stingo wrong, but I have it worked out now, when I get the charging battery connected properly the other outputs go down a fair bit, good charging though.

I gotta put this aside and go beck to some other things, enough spark gap action for one week. I think I will limit myself to a couple of hours a week near a spark gap, it does make me feel a bit woozy.

Thanks for all the info guys.

Cheers

[7imix]

I finished winding my toroid but it's giving me 0.7ohms could not put more on it. Toroid is full. Hope this would be good.
Regarding spark gaps I read that they emit X rays so be aware guys for your health.

Is that true about the X-rays? I thought that too but then an electrical engineer friend of mine said that X-rays can only be produced in a vacuum.