Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[Farmhand]

7imix

Is that true about the X-rays? I thought that too but then an electrical engineer friend of mine said that X-rays can only be produced in a vacuum.

I'm not sure about the x-rays maybe a kind of vacuum is created around the arc in certain conditions even in free air. I do notice that some types of light coming off the arc can burn your eyes a while afterward, like a very mild welding flash injury, i've had a few of those i'm a boilermaker/welder, by trade.
But I don't do that work anymore only for personal projects.

And it occurs to me that a welder is just another kind of spark gap, the very high frequencies would probably not occur in a normal welding operation. There are some welding machines that have a high frequency arc start function to eliminate contact contamination.

I would say that a spark gap sparking very brightly could do damage to the eye's the same way a welding machine can.

Cheers

[Guruji]

X rays

Is that true about the X-rays? I thought that too but then an electrical engineer friend of mine said that X-rays can only be produced in a vacuum.

If they can be produced in vacuum why not in air too. X rays can be stopped by lead only they say and they pass from any medium.
I read about spark gaps on a file link presented in this forum. This guy was a russian scientist if I'm remembering rightly.

[SeaMonkey]

If they can be produced in vacuum why not in air too. X rays can be stopped by lead only they say and they pass from any medium.
I read about spark gaps on a file link presented in this forum. This guy was a russian scientist if I'm remembering rightly.

This Page has some safety tips for arc welding.

The "rays" produced can be quite harmful
by direct exposure.

[sucahyo]

I've touched the HV terminal and stuff a few times by accident and it's just like a buzzer. I wouldn't do it on purpose though.

I do it on purposes a couple of time. reason see bellow.

I noticed that if I use a steel core in my recovery transformer it's not as good air core seems much more often discharge.

Yes .

So whats the best PNP transistor is there one like ksc5027 like a match for it ? A complimentory one I think is the word.

I have been looking for that too. PNP seems to be most vulnerable. even TIP2955 still as weak.

I use fan cooling too.

Is that how Tesla did his sparkless air gap ?

Many expert are already trying to explain that but I don't see a satisfying explanation yet.

Many university researcher use arc that is sparkless. Many observe anomalous heat. There are also those who report transmutation. Paulo Correa notice 5 times gain.

There is current, it usually noticed by faint glow in negative electrode. To get gain, it must be DC, so only one electrode will glow.

My take for this is the sparkless air gap absorb some aether with it.

Thank you very much for this post. I have been searching for an alternative to air spark gaps as well. Here are some possibilities from the section "devices used to suppress transients" in "practical electronics for inventors"

I don't understand, how we can use it?

Could we see that toroid, it must be something interesting ?What is efficiency of that stingo with two toroid ?

Nothing unusual. between 50% to 75% depend on load.



After rereading you post, I found this weird:
"1. Output of my three stingos while charging the batt. = 180mA (input 340)
2. Output of my single stingo while charging the batt. = 180mA (input 350)"

How can that be? If all three of them running, then the input current must be at least tripple?

If it do not consume more then the other stingo must be dead.

Try this. Disconnect all stingo from the bridge and use neon bulb only each.


The input must be tripple if all three neon output litted up.

If all three produce output, then connect them to combiner one by one.

I finished winding my toroid but it's giving me 0.7ohms could not put more on it. Toroid is full. Hope this would be good.
Regarding spark gaps I read that they emit X rays so be aware guys for your health.

I think it work too, although may not be able to run high frequency.

Is that true about the X-rays? I thought that too but then an electrical engineer friend of mine said that X-rays can only be produced in a vacuum.

Jbignes5, Thanks for all that info, now i'm officially spooked out, sounds dangerous, I think i'll set it aside for a while and have a think about it,

Funny thing is my neck problem feels a bit better, probably just another coincidence. There is a lot to be learned by experiment unfortunately it's difficult to express in words some things observed.

I gotta put this aside and go beck to some other things, enough spark gap action for one week. I think I will limit myself to a couple of hours a week near a spark gap, it does make me feel a bit woozy.

First please mention to which part you connect the car coil common terminal? For now I highly suggest everyone to only connect the car coil common terminal to battery positive.

Then for Xray. Anyone ever heard Tesla Violet Ray device? That is a popular health device (before world war) that use spark to heal people. You expose the skin to the violet spark gap, heal the ozone, sting your self, etc. It is based from Tesla design.

I don't think that what Farmhand experience is a coincidence. That may be the result from spark gap healing property. I really like to know how you connect the common terminal...Because it is possible that we can only observe healing effect with common terminal connect to NPN, at the cost of producing headache if you use it too long.

I believe that using spark gap for healing is approved or even encouraged by Tesla. This is what I mean by implementing Tesla from different direction.

I wouldn't worry about Xray. Tesla die at old age even after years of being exposed to the world most violent spark gap.

If I do not worry about power consumption or transistor heat, I wouldnt doubt to use spark gap in my house near my family to run it all day long. But only when the car coil common terminal connect to source battery positive. From hours of running it at office, no one complain, in fact everyone feel better.

Sucahyo, I had the regular battery charging from stingo wrong, but I have it worked out now, when I get the charging battery connected properly the other outputs go down a fair bit, good charging though.

Yes, the output will be split between charged battery and the HV part. If the output is low you may only get one without other. It is a good achievement if you can do both at the same time.

[Farmhand]

Yes I think it did really improve my neck pain or lessen it I mean to say.

I had the HV from the car coil connected to one conical coil on one side then the air gap between the two tops then on the other side the end of the conical coil was put really close to the common negative of the car coil so to make a very small spark gap an the side but a sparkless air gap at the top, I used a neon aswell for the side spark gap and a blown bulb, both were better for maintainance free use, the very small spark gap was better for output to recover to source battery from the collector coil.

What about a SIDAC device would that work, it would be good to get the benifits without the troublesome spark gap, the sparkless one is fine but the sparking one is a bit of a nuisence.

I have a couple of idea's to try on the conical air gap setup yet but it'll have to wait for a week or two.

Cheers

[sucahyo]

Yes I think it did really improve my neck pain or lessen it I mean to say.

I had the HV from the car coil connected to one conical coil on one side then the air gap between the two tops then on the other side the end of the conical coil was put really close to the common negative of the car coil so to make a very small spark gap an the side but a sparkless air gap at the top, I used a neon aswell for the side spark gap and a blown bulb, both were better for maintainance free use, the very small spark gap was better for output to recover to source battery from the collector coil.

Thanks. To which part the common negative connect to?

What about a SIDAC device would that work, it would be good to get the benifits without the troublesome spark gap, the sparkless one is fine but the sparking one is a bit of a nuisence.

I have a couple of idea's to try on the conical air gap setup yet but it'll have to wait for a week or two.

Great . Have you try dead ligth bulb too? What is the nuisance of the spark gap?

[Farmhand]

Sucahyo

Thanks. To which part the common negative connect to?

The common ground on the car coil you mean ?

The stingo is connected to the primary of the car coil, the charging output is from a diode on the Common negative, yeah!, oh! I see what you were asking now I think, yes and the negative of the charging battery go's to the positive of the source, yep. And another wire come's off the common negative as well to one side of the conical winding with the small spark gap, and the other side conical winding is connected to the HV output, the air gap between them.

I'm sorry I was confused.

Great . Have you try dead ligth bulb too? What is the nuisance of the spark gap?

Yeah tried the blown bulb but the one I have only has a small break, the spark gap has to be very small to work when charging a battery minute actually, but if you use a collecter coil you could forgo the regular battery charging and run the sparkless gap for lights and health.

I wouldn't mind seting up something that looks fancy with some lights, something really efficient, to run all the time with a sall solar panel or something to keep it running. Would be a good talking point.

Cheers hope I explained that better this time.

[cikljamas]

After rereading you post, I found this weird:
"1. Output of my three stingos while charging the batt. = 180mA (input 340)
2. Output of my single stingo while charging the batt. = 180mA (input 350)"

How can that be? If all three of them running, then the input current must be at least tripple?

If it do not consume more then the other stingo must be dead.

Try this. Disconnect all stingo from the bridge and use neon bulb only each.


The input must be tripple if all three neon output litted up.

If all three produce output, then connect them to combiner one by one.

Hi Sucahyo !
I just answered to you in thread "This is it", and i forgot to thank you for
that jeanna hint...I hope i am going to get that diagram, one way or
another, it must be something very good if you suggest me his variation of
JT...

Regarding stingos, i spent a lot of time a day before yesterday checking
stingo by stingo, and they all work good, that is how i noticed that weird
phenomena that i wrote about in my last post in this thread...
So, as i am explaining in this video (i ll give the link here too), it is about
adjusting pots, nothing else, if i decrease resist. mAmps go up, and vice
versa, so that is whole story about that...

And after i finished shooting of this video i tried to charge cell phone batt.,
but it seems that this big JT is not good for that purpose, but for charging
other big batt. is very, very good...I just tried to decrease all pots to the
minimum and the result is 310 input, and 190 output, and the best result
with stingo in this range was 310 - 140...
So, i am very curious what you are going to comment on this efficiency...
For little batteries STINGO is still the best choice, and for big batteries
is very, very good...

Oh, i almost forgot the link for video :
YouTube - Joule thief vs stingo

Rgds !

[sucahyo]

The stingo is connected to the primary of the car coil, the charging output is from a diode on the Common negative, yeah!, oh!

Thank you. that is my concern. You seems to connect common terminal to transistor.

I highly believe that connecting the common terminal to transistor amplify male energy. While this energy can provice stimulation to phyisics, eliminate parasite or reduce pain, too much can do harm to the point of serious mental or even physical problem in the long term.

Here is what I think:

Yeah tried the blown bulb but the one I have only has a small break, the spark gap has to be very small to work when charging a battery minute actually, but if you use a collecter coil you could forgo the regular battery charging and run the sparkless gap for lights and health.

So blown lightbulb do not perform the same as very small spark gap?

I wouldn't mind seting up something that looks fancy with some lights, something really efficient, to run all the time with a sall solar panel or something to keep it running. Would be a good talking point.

Yes, that would be cool .

Regarding stingos, i spent a lot of time a day before yesterday checking stingo by stingo, and they all work good, that is how i noticed that weird phenomena that i wrote about in my last post in this thread... So, as i am explaining in this video (i ll give the link here too), it is about adjusting pots, nothing else, if i decrease resist. mAmps go up, and vice
versa, so that is whole story about that...

About this I still not clear. I can only answer if you use neon bulb as load for each of three stingo.

I still never do efficiency comparison between single and multiple stingo with the latest combiner. It is possible that latest combiner give different efficiency figure. But I still get output in proportion with the number of running stingo. I will make video for this later.

But, what make me puzzled is you don't have triple output. When I mean 900mA, it is 900mA for all three of them, where each still consume 300mA. But combining three 180mA output give me at least 500mA. And it do not matter if I do not use stingo.

How come a single running circuit can consume 320, but two running circuit do not draw the same? I think your other circuit is dead. We can find that out by letting each stingo power different load. A load for each stingo. Three neon bulb for three stingo, separate from each other.

So, i am very curious what you are going to comment on this efficiency...
For little batteries STINGO is still the best choice, and for big batteries
is very, very good...

Interesting. How do that compare to the efficiency reported by the circuit designer? Do you achieve similar efficiency as other big joule thief replicator?

With similar recovery method the advantage of stingo is only with low impedance load. If you use my cap isolated FWBR method, you will have better efficiency than many .

Do you use the same coil for stingo and joule thief? it can only be equal comparison if you compare using the same primary.

I still never try to improve stingo efficiency with capacitor since I only have one multimeter. So standard stingo can be easily beaten by a carefully tuned circuit.

[sucahyo]

Here is the video showing how the input current and output current change when the number of running stingo change:
YouTube - stingo combiner, 1+1

[Farmhand]

Sucayho I looked at your diagram two posts above, but I don't understand because both side's of the car coil primary are connected to transistors

My Stingo energises the coil with AC, I think, there are no diodes between stingo and coil, I might be wrong but the scope trace looks AC to me.

I have used a diode so the coil is pulsed only one way but it would still be connected to a transister as far as I can tell.

But I do understand what you are saying about the male and female energy.

I will keep it in mind, and I think pulsing one way is the best for radiant energy.

Thanks for clearing up what you were saying for me, I appreciate that, sometimes i'm a bit "parallel" to what others are thinking. Putting our thoughts in "Series" could be very interesting.

Thanks Sucahyo

[Godfrey]

2 Car Coil Combiner Design

I’m very encouraged to see all the productive activity on this thread!

I forgot to say that i even replaced 1n4007s with 1n5408s on my stingos
too, not just on the combiner...

Cikljamas, you've been doing some great work and informative videos! I think you're close to really demonstrating O/U with Stingo. ‘I already have proved it'...you say...maybe so…to yourself anyways. I'm just waiting for someone to clearly and convincingly demonstrate gains in wattage output vs input. Have you considered using a big capacitor on the output side, like me and crackahcrackah suggested? You deserve an A+ for effort, though. I’m glad you are concerned so much about the combiner, which is the next Stingo project I intend to tackle. Heck, I started this thread to get a good battery charger going and I’m not giving up ‘till I’ve got one!

Here's another vid and a drawing or two...

Wow, Farmhand! You’ve been having much success lately. Interesting results with your volcano! Very entertaining to watch too! For more on Stingo Zapper applications, check out these threads:

Radiant as electric orgone manipulator

Health Zapper Circuits - DIY and Experimentation

I finished winding my toroid but it's giving me 0.7ohms could not put more on it. Toroid is full. Hope this would be good.
Regarding spark gaps I read that they emit X rays so be aware guys for your health.

Guruji, good luck with the toroid, it should work with an adaquate number of windings. Good point in bringing up the question of radiation. I think the qualities of what's emitting from a spark gap are going to hinge on frequency and pulse-width among other factors. I'm glad to see people being aware of and concerned for what is being put out in theirs and everyone Else's environment as a direct consequence of their experiments.

Get two small magnets...RF burns can be very deep and not apparent after being exposed to the RF field.

Thanks Jbignes5, for the information! What you propose w/o the trannies probably can't be called a Stingo anymore

You make some more good points regarding radiation concerns. Eventually, we're putting together practical devices that will be turned on for long periods and the consequent radiation could potentially be hazardous! This deserves serious consideration in the design details. An idea which has been on my mind for awhile now, is to run one oscillator/coil in one direction and another in an opposing one, fairly close together as a potential solution to cancel out such electromagnetic radiation. Might work...haven't tried it yet.

Run all these tests with capacitors in place of the batteries to make sure you're not encountering issues with the batteries. Capacitors are more accurate and don't have the bounce back and fluctuation that batteries do.

Right on, crackahcrackah!

Go to the bottom of THIS PAGE for an innovative alternative
to a spark gap...

Thanks for posing this, SeaMonkey...and finding more examples of oscillators not needing caps to boogie!

I think I need to build a stingo with even more potentiometers to get even better fine tuning. For the 500k pot, a 500k, 50k, and 10k in series; for the 10k pot, a 50k, 10k, and 1k in series; for the 100k voltage divider resistor, a 100k, 50k, and 10k in series. I find, especially with the 500k, that interesting waveforms occur in a very small range of tuning, it would be nice to tune the rough pot until I get an interesting waveform and then tune the finer pots.

Yes, in that video, I was changing all pot values to attempt to get the highest frequency. I got a "feel" for it while tuning them but it's hard to describe and impossible to show in a video.

I have been dreaming about a stingo with digitally controlled pots, with a readout somewhere that shows you what each pot is set to... Someday...

7imix, enjoyed your Walwart transformer and toroid videos. Yes, I've noticed the potentiometer tuning can require very fine adjustment too. Good ideas!

Here they are :

YouTube - Stingo Neo Spinner

YouTube - Stingo and the Hover magnet

Really cool effects you're getting with that slayer exciter coil and the neo magets, Jiffycoil!

I highly believe that connecting the common terminal to transistor amplify male energy. While this energy can provice stimulation to phyisics, eliminate parasite or reduce pain, too much can do harm to the point of serious mental or even physical problem in the long term.

Here is what I think:...

That's an interesting proposal and very relevant to my present concerns as to how to adapt two car coil driven Stingos to your combiner. Whether one is using it as a zapper or just to charge batteries, the effect of one operating in the nearby environment!

@Sucahyo
I usually don't run a design by you before I jump in and construct, but this one's complex, so I'd appreciate your feedback. As you can see, my choice of using 2 matching car coils complicates the soup because I'm trying to exploit the HV output produced by the secondary, so here's my modified combiner schematic:



Wadyahthink?

- Godfrey

[Guruji]

Tesla in old age

Sucahyo you mentioned Tesla about that he was not affected by radiation. Maybe not but I heared that he had a type of sickness before he died that his senses became very sharp that everything got amplified. If one imagines this type of desease that even other people suffer it is hell on earth.

[sucahyo]

Sucayho I looked at your diagram two posts above, but I don't understand because both side's of the car coil primary are connected to transistors

Yes both are connected to transistor but what I like to point out is to which part the common terminal connect to. I consider it important from health point of view.

Thic conclusion came after my own experiment and also conclusion from what other experience. For example exciter, SEC or Aaron version of grey circuit. On those circuit the HV part secondary is connected to the primary via the terminal near the transistor. If you going trough the thread, you will see some replicator mention headache and some do not like being in the same room while the circuit is running.


I hope you understand my point. I hope everyone connect the secondary HV terminal to the terminal near the battery positive.

My Stingo energises the coil with AC, I think, there are no diodes between stingo and coil, I might be wrong but the scope trace looks AC to me.

Stingo drive car coil with pulsed DC. Scope wouldn't be able to tell the difference because there is no zero reference. I use neon bulb and I can have both AC and DC from stingo just by changing potentiometer value or changing spark gap distance.

With DC neon bulb will only lit at one side I think everyone agree with this. This video show how I can get DC and AC reading from neon bulb:
YouTube - Description of arc and spark

I use neon bulb terminal as spark gap. Unfortunately my camera quality is not good enough to show the neon bulb electrode. So if anyone can replicate this experiment with better camera, I would really appreaciate it.

I have used a diode so the coil is pulsed only one way but it would still be connected to a transister as far as I can tell.

Diode at input or even at output do not guarantee DC HV. You can try it with neon bulb as spark. Adding capacitor will produce stable HV DC which may not be appropriate for lifter / TT Brown experiment.

Eventually, we're putting together practical devices that will be turned on for long periods and the consequent radiation could potentially be hazardous! This deserves serious consideration in the design details. An idea which has been on my mind for awhile now, is to run one oscillator/coil in one direction and another in an opposing one, fairly close together as a potential solution to cancel out such electromagnetic radiation. Might work...haven't tried it yet.

I think we only have to watch out for the non electric and non magnetic (non EM) danger. My solution is to amplify only the negative electricity side. Since switching a coil revert the polarity, we amplify the one that connect to battery positive.

When neighboor office friend smoke a lot, I run stingo as corona maker during the work hour for a couple of days. Smoke odor usually gone in an hour after running. Stingo had no problem running all of that time. The problem are corona device reliability and over discharged battery..... The health side: no one have problem sleeping during break, friend in the room have less flues when everyone on other room get flues, friend in the room felt better and mention the room smelt better, and no one get headache.

@Sucahyo
I usually don't run a design by you before I jump in and construct, but this one's complex, so I'd appreciate your feedback. As you can see, my choice of using 2 matching car coils complicates the soup because I'm trying to exploit the HV output produced by the secondary, so here's my modified combiner schematic:



Wadyahthink?

For health consideration, I would prefer if we revert the connection of the car coil primary, using it upside down in your circuit.

Some consideration:
- I still fail to make a working high voltage FWBR. I have high voltage diode from Ben that work ok rectifying my car coil output but will not function as FWBR. neon bulb still lit on both direction on FWBR output.
- I think one source battery design is easier
- I prefer to combine the HV output after a diode. A diode for each HV output. Combining before the diode may reduce the current going to the load since they will go the the other car coil instead.
- Since the load is low impedance relate to HV output. We may end up charging the load with only 25V or so instead of >1000V. But this should be a good way to desulfate a battery.


I don't think I can make this circuit because I don't have high voltage capacitor. I made a low voltage ceramic cap explode once.... If I replicate I will be using my latest combiner with high voltage diode and cap.

I hope someone can test high voltage FWBR with a neon bulb.

Sucahyo you mentioned Tesla about that he was not affected by radiation. Maybe not but I heared that he had a type of sickness before he died that his senses became very sharp that everything got amplified. If one imagines this type of desease that even other people suffer it is hell on earth.

He die at old age isn't it? 70 or so.

For sharp senses, where did you read that? I highly believe that he already a sensitive at young age, already gifted as child, boosted at age 17 or so. If you ever read Garry Vassilatos book, Tesla is mentioned to be able to see a stream coming from a coil. Not spark or corona but white smoke that behave more like an aura than a real smoke.

Other people die at old age is Mooray and Rife. Both use special vacuum tube.

I highly believe electronic circuit can produce something other than electric or magnetic, that can influence people in a good way or bad way.

[cikljamas]

Hi, my electronic brothers !

Today i ve been working a lot on big JTs, i used old coils from bedini ssg
projects and hooked them on that circuit, and then i tried 4 coil JTs,
efficiency result in range about 1 A is 900 mA input, 500 mA output...

Sucahyo, is that efficiency achievable with four stingos ? When i tried
to drive my three stingos over 600 mAmps input, then i noticed that
efficieny is droping off, but now that i have this accurate results from
JT testing tomorrow i am going to see again how stingos work in that
range, so that i can give precise information on that matter...

I spent even last 4 hours making and testing one JT version with 555
timer but i can not get good output result at all, it must be toroid,
that guy LIDMOTOR showed this http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1291092409
diagram in one of his youtube
presentations but he used 2 inchs toroid and i tried with 1 inch toroid
which is big difference...

Sucahyo, i think that now it is time to try stingo for health purposes...
Could you suggest me where to start from ?
What would be the best solution for first health experiment with stingo ?