Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[cikljamas]

inverters

Hi, guys !
You like inverters ? Of course you do !
Well, i found it very quickly on the net so i do not have to
photograph it...
This is one that i made twice (two of that same kind or two
pieces, however you like), so it is twice confirmed that they
work just fine, very fine :

100 Watt inverter circuit Electronic Circuits-Circuit Diagram-Electronics Projects-Design

Transistors are getting hot after 10 or 15 min., but i think
it is normal for average consumption of 1,7 Amps, as i saw
on the meter comparing draining between this inverter and
three stingos lightening my cfl day before yesterday...

But looking on the net this schematic i stumbled upon this
one, even simpler, with just two mosfets :

Inverters & UPS Electronic Circuits-Circuit Diagram-Electronics Projects-Design

Since this one uses the same chip it looks very promising
to me, and if someone wants could give a try and check
it too, and maybe even before my tested (first one), and
if something went wrong you could still come back to my
tested circuit with six 2n3055s...

I am giving above suggestion cause it is simpler circuit
and could spare your money and time, and it just looks
very promising to me, and i am convinced that you are
going to have same impression as soon as you see its
schematic...

So i was looking for the diagram of my tested version,
and on the same page i found maybe even better one...
That is how i like the day to become...
And after i hear in morning news that flood in Australia
is dropping the day is going to be even sunnier to me..

Sucahyo, today is your two tip 32 circuit on the bench !
Thanks for your confirmation that it works fine !

Concerning my cfl - transformer combination :
Output of the stingos goes to secondary of 220/ 12 0 12 transformer,
and primary of the transformer goes to cfl !
I hope i answered your question in the best manner !

Cheers !

[cikljamas]

Hm, hm, it seems that it would be better though to stick with my
tested (first one )schematic since now i see this second one could
not give you enough power, but this second one could be interesting
too for very low power loads...
If it could light one 20 W bulb and drained as much power as three
stingos than we would have even better one solution in order
to achieve our always desirable goal : sparing energy !
Am i right or not ?

Good luck with your inverters !

And i think i am gonna give a try this simpler inverter one of
these days too...

Cheers !

[Farmhand]

Hm, hm, it seems that it would be better though to stick with my
tested (first one )schematic since now i see this second one could
not give you enough power, but this second one could be interesting
too for very low power loads...
If it could light one 20 W bulb and drained as much power as three
stingos than we would have even better one solution in order
to achieve our always desirable goal : sparing energy !
Am i right or not ?

Good luck with your inverters !

And i think i am gonna give a try this simpler inverter one of
these days too...

Cheers !

cikljamas, You are a Ledgend, THAT is the alternating MOSFET switching circuit I seek. Thank you so very much. It can be done much better than that with only a little bit more complexity, as in better gate drivers maybe.

Inverters & UPS Electronic Circuits-Circuit Diagram-Electronics Projects-Design

Dual fets both side's for more power, better heat dissapation or just redundancy. Larger Toroidal transformer

Wicked, that circuit could also pulse an opposing set of coils on a Toroid 180 degree's out of phase with a little modification. The pulse width would need to be reduced a lot for that.

Awesome i'll check it out.
Thanks.

P.S. I imagine we will need a proper "step up transformer" for this to work correctly. I propose we should make our own. We need to find out the correct amount of winds needed, to see if it's too much trouble first. I'll get some chips and transformer in a couple of days to make the circuit how it is shown first, Ive got nice big heatsinks already too, the road to the city is open again.

[sucahyo]

Thanks for the info cikljamas. That look like a very simple inverter circuit. Is your output guaranteed at 230V? Since on my stingo experience, I get at least 50V at primary, and not sure if the output will be 220V if I use 12V/220V transformer.


Good luck on stingo 2pnp too .

[sucahyo]

P.S. I imagine we will need a proper "step up transformer" for this to work correctly. I propose we should make our own. We need to find out the correct amount of winds needed, to see if it's too much trouble first. I'll get some chips and transformer in a couple of days to make the circuit how it is shown first, Ive got nice big heatsinks already too, the road to the city is open again.

Maybe it is better to scrap it from broken UPS. They contain very big transformer which should be more efficient. Replicating them or buy new would be expensive....

[Farmhand]

Maybe it is better to scrap it from broken UPS. They contain very big transformer which should be more efficient. Replicating them or buy new would be expensive....

Yes you are right sucahyo, of course, that is a very good idea they are ready to go. And rated too.

Maybe these are transformers or choke's or one of each, i've asked before but no answers. That is a big UPS board. I'll find out when I need to.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...3-1.png?psid=1

Yes the 230v is garanteed because you set the pulse width to give you that with the rated load of the transformer or componants. It can also be done some how with a feedback PW variation setup.

Anyway i'm going to do it soon, I already have bought inverters, I can sell those soon if I want too , they are in very good condition. Maybe i'll give them away.

Cheers all

P.S. Seems to me if we generate our own power that is stored in batteries or is DC we need to change it to AC at the voltage our conventional appliances need it. So if we can just add an appropriate inverter circuit to the ouput, we can then just plug in stuff. Maybe.

[cikljamas]

Thanks for the info cikljamas. That look like a very simple inverter circuit. Is your output guaranteed at 230V? Since on my stingo experience, I get at least 50V at primary, and not sure if the output will be 220V if I use 12V/220V transformer.

Sucahyo, this inverter is tested 100 %, it works fine, you do not have
to worry about anything, and i dont know why you doubt at all that
this inverter can give at the output (primary) 220 V ?
Maybe i did not understand what you wanted to ask, but this tested
inverter which use 220/ 9 0 9 transformer not 12/220 transformer
is that one i made twice and i have two of them and both works
very fine and reliable ! This one with mosfets i did not try and i can
not guarantee for that circuit since it is not tested by cikljamas !

Maybe it is better to scrap it from broken UPS. They contain very big transformer which should be more efficient. Replicating them or buy new would be expensive....

Could you show some picture of that transformer from UPS, i mean i have
at least two of these transformers but since they have more pins than usual
transformers you have to know how to connect them, am i right ? I just hold three of these transformers in my hand:
1. first one has 2 pins on the primary and 6 pins on the secondary side
2. second one has 3 pins on the primary and 6 pins on the secondary side
3 third one has 4 pins on the primary and 6 pins on the secondary side

So how do you connect this pins to get 12/220 transformer and are these
transformers strong enough for inverters purposes ?...I suppose you have
to use transformer with at least 25 VAmps power ?

I ask you this because i tried whole bunch of transformers scraped from
different devices like adapters (cell phone chargers), speakers, etc., and
they are no good for inverters and for cfl lightening too !!!

I was to busy yesterday, so i had to postpone your two tip 32 circuit for today
after i sleep a bit...

But i was looking on the internet for sg 3524 pwm circuit in order to be
able to use it in bedini solid state radiant pump, and all i could find is
this :
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1269484988

What do you think about that schematic in general and is there any way
that this schematic be used for bedini solid state radiant pump with some
adjustments maybe ?

Cheers !

Farmhand , i am very glad that you are so content with my inverter,
and especially with that another one with two mosfets !!!

[Farmhand]

cikljamas, Yes you are also correct, the problem of determining the correct windings to use and how will not be easy. Which is why I mentioned making them, no real need for toroidal's. Also when I think about it, if they are purchased even by one or two of us it may help to determine how to use the salvaged transformers and if they are appropriate to use. We need one with two primaries wound in opposite directions with a common connection, and with a 10 or 20 times step up in secondary windings, don't we ?

Cheers

[sucahyo]

Maybe these are transformers or choke's or one of each, i've asked before but no answers. That is a big UPS board. I'll find out when I need to.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...3-1.png?psid=1

Maybe that is switching inverter, which do not use transformer.

Yes the 230v is garanteed because you set the pulse width to give you that with the rated load of the transformer or componants. It can also be done some how with a feedback PW variation setup.

Sucahyo, this inverter is tested 100 %, it works fine, you do not have to worry about anything, and i dont know why you doubt at all that this inverter can give at the output (primary) 220 V ?
Maybe i did not understand what you wanted to ask, but this tested inverter which use 220/ 9 0 9 transformer not 12/220 transformer is that one i made twice and i have two of them and both works very fine and reliable ! This one with mosfets i did not try and i can not guarantee for that circuit since it is not tested by cikljamas !

Thank you both. I am just worrying that the output may not end up 230V and may actually more. It even be worse if the circuit voltage vary with load, high voltage with light load, low voltage with high load, etc.

So your inverter always produce 220V no matter what kind of load it has cikljamas?

P.S. Seems to me if we generate our own power that is stored in batteries or is DC we need to change it to AC at the voltage our conventional appliances need it. So if we can just add an appropriate inverter circuit to the ouput, we can then just plug in stuff. Maybe.

Some appliance like DVD player or even TV, have 12V voltage option too. Newer chinese version do not show it but opening the case show adaptor inside them. Should reduce inefficiency converting 12V to 220V and back to 12V again.

Could you show some picture of that transformer from UPS, i mean i have at least two of these transformers but since they have more pins than usual transformers you have to know how to connect them, am i right ? I just hold three of these transformers in my hand:
1. first one has 2 pins on the primary and 6 pins on the secondary side
2. second one has 3 pins on the primary and 6 pins on the secondary side
3 third one has 4 pins on the primary and 6 pins on the secondary side

It seems there are version that use switching and other use transformer. It seems newer one use switching because it would be lighter and cheaper to make. Here is bellow taken from different version of APC 600VA UPS:




The old one have big transformer. I have seen 1000Va version that have twice as large but I can not find it.

But i was looking on the internet for sg 3524 pwm circuit in order to be able to use it in bedini solid state radiant pump, and all i could find is this :
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1269484988

What do you think about that schematic in general and is there any way
that this schematic be used for bedini solid state radiant pump with some
adjustments maybe ?

The schematic for tesla switch is complicated. May need different tuning requirement, many people replicate this but the only people report gain power it with big SSG.

Maybe you can adjust it using value mentioned in previous Bedini solar solid state patent. Or just using other PWM reference using SG3524N. Sorry that I can not be much help in this.

[cikljamas]

transformers

I dont know what is going on with my browsers, firefox do not allow
me to reply to threads, and with internet explorer i have problems too...
Maybe someones sabotage ?
Now i am in hurry, if problems continue at least you know something
is going on....

[cikljamas]

Firefox is still unusable for replaying to thread, really strange...
I use i.explorer now ...

Maybe that is switching inverter, which do not use transformer.
.

Sucahyo, there is picture below of two transformers that you need for
inverters to work fine, and on the right side are three UPS, so do you
recognize on this UPSs transformers that you think could work, and if
so, could you tell me what kind of purposes they acomplish successfully
and could you mark on my picture exactly that transformers ?

Switching inverter ?...Do not know what you mean ?

So your inverter always produce 220V no matter what kind of load it has cikljamas?
.

Yes ! I think the only problem that could occur is in relation with transformer
not with inverters circuit...

cikljamas, Yes you are also correct, the problem of determining the correct windings to use and how will not be easy. Which is why I mentioned making them, no real need for toroidal's. Also when I think about it, if they are purchased even by one or two of us it may help to determine how to use the salvaged transformers and if they are appropriate to use. We need one with two primaries wound in opposite directions with a common connection, and with a 10 or 20 times step up in secondary windings, don't we ?

Cheers

Well, Farmhand you think the way i think...and they are purchased at least
by one of us, and i think it is cikljamas - look at the pic below...

Concerning primaries and secondaries :

Lets make it strait : primary is usually first wound wire (thinner and longer
one), and usually primary is just one wire, and secondaries (step down) are
usually second one wires (fatter and shorter ones), am i right ?...

And if we talk about step up transformers maybe it is not like i just described
above, i mean is it opposite way of winding or what/how ?

But i am confused about this difference between step down/ step up
transformers because step up transformer is also step down transformer if
you switch their primary to be secondary and opposite , and step down
transformer is also step up transformer if you switch their primary/secondary,
so, is there difference at all ? The only reason for making them different way
is if you want to have more secondaries for step up function or you want to
have more secondaries for step down function...Am i right or i do not know
something that i should know finally ?

Cheers !

[cikljamas]

Firefox failed, that was the reason of my problems, we fixed it...

Sucahyo, i made your two tip32 circuit, and it does not work at all !

Just for the record !

Cheers !

[Farmhand]

cikljamas, A step up transformer for use in an inverter needs the primaries wound in opposite ways like (+9)-(0)-(-9) this is the way positive and negative componants to the output are realised. I think. So a (+9)-(0)-(+9) primary arrangement is different and is for two positive outputs.

This is how i see it. I appologise if i'm wrong but that's how I see it.

You may not find one in the electronics store to buy because they probably don't expect people to make thier own 220v AC power.

Cheers

EDIT. It depends on how it's wound I guess, but maybe you could swap the + and - on one winding. I'm not sure though.

[cikljamas]

Sucahyo, did you think making this "two tip 32" circuit about cascade
amplifier ? And if you did not, what do you think to do with these two
tip 32 just that, it came to my mind today reading one electronic book
about transistors, and i have plan to try this tomorrow because today
i spent most of the time in bad, i have not been feeling well, and i
still dont, but it will be ok, i am planing to be healthy by tomorrow...

Cheers !

[sucahyo]

Sucahyo, there is picture below of two transformers that you need for inverters to work fine, and on the right side are three UPS, so do you recognize on this UPSs transformers that you think could work, and if so, could you tell me what kind of purposes they acomplish successfully and could you mark on my picture exactly that transformers ?

We can not use any transformer at the right side for step up transformer based circuit.

Switching inverter ?...Do not know what you mean ?

Meaning voltage converter that do not use transformer but utilizing buck-boost principle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck–boost_converter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck–boost_transformer

Sucahyo, i made your two tip32 circuit, and it does not work at all !

That is weird. Notice that the top one leg position is normal, and the middle one inverted. It do require lower potentiometer value on 3V, but I run it on 12V with no problem too.

Sucahyo, did you think making this "two tip 32" circuit about cascade amplifier ? And if you did not, what do you think to do with these two tip 32 just that, it came to my mind today reading one electronic book about transistors,

No. I am implementing Bedini-cole circuit to stingo.

and i have plan to try this tomorrow because today i spent most of the time in bad, i have not been feeling well, and i still dont, but it will be ok, i am planing to be healthy by tomorrow...

I wish you use stingo for zapper or sleeping aid too. Learn to breath 8 stroke a minute as alternative.

cikljamas, A step up transformer for use in an inverter needs the primaries wound in opposite ways like (+9)-(0)-(-9) this is the way positive and negative componants to the output are realised. I think. So a (+9)-(0)-(+9) primary arrangement is different and is for two positive outputs.

I think polarity do not matter. There are design that use CT, and other do not. You have to choose which.



BTw, stingo motor:
This video show how stingo motor has half consumption and also twice faster rotor if the load is utilized. Two wire from the harddisk is used to replace the coil in stingo circuit. Weight is also added to the plate.

Funny that I don't remember it this way before, maybe because I now add some weight on the plate.....
YouTube - stingo motor, twice faster, half consumption with load


If you want motor that speeding up and actually consume less if we use the recovery part this is it lol.

I found it weird that Dr Lindemann mention stingo motor to be conventional. This is even more simple because we don't have to modify the harddisk motor in any way. Most Bedini fan circuit will slow down if load is utilized..............