Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[cikljamas]

Sucahyo, i do not know why two 32 circuit does not work, but i tried
today different combinations with two tip 32 with bingo too, and
it does not work too...I tried that cascade (base of first 32 to collector
of second, emitters on positive, but the problem is where to connect
collector of one of the 32)...
If both collectors(or even one collector and
one emitter) go to base of tip 31 it does not work at all, and if i put
one of the collector/emitter to the negative than i got some result, but
bad result, and if i connect it to the collector of tip 31 that is the only
combination that works, but with less efficiency than in normal combination...

So, i really dont know how you do it...

Concerning your stingo motor, it seems to me that your motor just
drains too much, since my three Bedini window motors drain from 35 to
80 mAmps, and your stingo-hard disc drains 350/700 mAmps, and two
of mine bedini window motors are much bigger and heavier than one
little hard disc rotor, and they still drain 5 to 10 times less current than
this stingo hard disc motor...

So i do not know what is the advantage of this stingo motor in
comparison with bedini window motor for example ?

You did not recognize not single one transformer on that UPSs ?

Cheers !

[cikljamas]

INVErtER

Hi guys !
Well i tested on the board this second (two mosfets) inverter,
and i am very content, it happened what i was wishing to happen :
we have improvment with this inverter (using the very same bulb)
of 120 mAmps comparing three stingo device...
So here is the picture which shows this improvment on the meter
display...

But i have to warn you about one crucial moment :

Do not use 0,01 uf capacitor between first and second pin, it could
cause big problems, and you are not going to be able to tune this
inverter to work as it should...

So, replace it with 0,001 uf capacitor !

One more thing : i strongly recommend you to also replace pot.1 k,
with pot 100 K, it could be the reason for difficulties in efforts of
well tuning the inverter...

So watch the picture and enjoy the Tesla light heritage fruits in your
home too !

Farmhand, you must be happy with this additional instructions that
came out from my messing around with your desirable two mosfets
inverter !

Cheers !

[Farmhand]

G'day cikljamas, Inverter works, awesome. Did the mosfets get hot or just warm ? If my wire for my toroid don't come today I might get a chance to build one for testing some idea's to improve it, if the mosfets get hot that is.

I have a bunch of tip 42 and 41's I think they are to make three stingo's for testing with the toroid, I have a feeling that Stingo's might work at three different frequencies. I have to try to build them to reach 43 Khz I if can, I hope sucahyo will have a drawing for that, there is something about Stingo that makes me think Sucahyo has designed one of the most usefull transistor oscillators on Planet Earth.

I really need to get my stuff in order ( big mess ) so I can catalogue actual paper drawings of all these usefull circuits.

For making Big Arcs from a 12v battery Stingo is King. I didn't realise how expensive these little trim pots are that i'm using I have to find some cheaper one's.

I also just realised I dismantled my Stingo, I was going to Scope him, i'll have to whip one up later.

Sucahyo, Creator of Stingo the King of Arc creation, which version of Stingo should I start with to make a 43 Khz Stingo I guess I will need some 500k pots and 100k pots for that, could you please point me to an appropriate drawing, I can't find the one Godfrey showed me, hey what happened to Godfrey anyway. It troubles me when people go missing I hope he's ok. I need to make some Arc's, my neck is playing up. Stingo medicine will help, I think I need the male energy too for a little bit. I remember last time it helped a lot.

I think the last one I made had a quite high frequency I measured over 20 Khz from memory, I think Stingo can do it. I want to also put the HV from the car coil through my loop coil to see what happens. Soon I will wind a 1300 turn single layer tower coil to go inside the loop coil primary. No idea how high the voltage will be from the top of the secondary winding, i'm guessing at least 250 000 volts. I should get good wireless lighting with that.

Cheers

Cheers

[sucahyo]

Thanks Farmhand .

Here is what I notice:
- low impedance coil has lower frequency on same circuit
- car coil has very low frequency
- air core coil produce above audio frequency even with load
- ferrite core produce audible frequency with load

The drawback of stingo is power reduce with higher frequency. Main control is 10K potentiometer. Try to use higher value like 50K potentiometer to get high frequency. Tweak the 100K potentiometer to sustain oscillation at high frequency. Try to remove or tweak 500K for best COP.

Try to increase coil impedance too. I don't know the relation of frequency with inductance. I wonder if big toroid with thick wire produce low frequency. You may need bigger than 50K then.

I don't have scope so I can't suggest much.


Good luck with the neck pain. Use primary coil terminal if you want to zap it. Prepare to hear the skin singing lol, I do.

Godfrey currenlty experimenting to improve wart zapper. Since he use MOSFET, he end up using same solution like gmeast , he use Dave Lawton 555 MOSFET circuit, 10K from 555 pin 3, to gate, then 470K to ground.

Sucahyo, i do not know why two 32 circuit does not work, but i tried today different combinations with two tip 32 with bingo too, and it does not work too...I tried that cascade (base of first 32 to collector of second, emitters on positive, but the problem is where to connect
collector of one of the 32)...
If both collectors(or even one collector and one emitter) go to base of tip 31 it does not work at all, and if i put one of the collector/emitter to the negative than i got some result, but bad result, and if i connect it to the collector of tip 31 that is the only combination that works, but with less efficiency than in normal combination...

So, i really dont know how you do it...

Do you trying to replicate this circuit bellow or you want to do darlington?



I fail to make darlington version too.

Concerning your stingo motor, it seems to me that your motor just drains too much, since my three Bedini window motors drain from 35 to 80 mAmps, and your stingo-hard disc drains 350/700 mAmps, and two of mine bedini window motors are much bigger and heavier than one little hard disc rotor, and they still drain 5 to 10 times less current than this stingo hard disc motor...

So i do not know what is the advantage of this stingo motor in comparison with bedini window motor for example ?

Hey, that is not fair comparison. what is your coil impedance. Harddisk motor around 6 ohm.

The advantage is:
- stingo can make harddisk motor turn, both ways
- without modification
- power consumption is reduced by utilizing coil collapse current, most Bedini fan isn't.
- stable start up consumption because you have to yank it to turn .


As for power consumption, I don't have other circuit to compare to, From search engine it seems to need around 700mA.
HDD Diet: Power Consumption and Heat Dissipation

You did not recognize not single one transformer on that UPSs ?

Yes, none.

Do the inverter output voltage do not change at all with load, cikljamas? Can we change the output voltage?

[cikljamas]

G'day cikljamas, Inverter works, awesome. Did the mosfets get hot or just warm ? If my wire for my toroid don't come today I might get a chance to build one for testing some idea's to improve it, if the mosfets get hot that is.

G`day mr.Farmhand, over there is now midnight, but when you wake up
will be another day, and that is how Scarlett O`Hara closing "Gone with
the wind"...Yesterday i was searching on youtube Captain Bligh dancing
(Trevor Howard, Mutiny on the Bounty,1962.),tahitian dance, but i could
not find it, all i could find is this :
YouTube - Tahitian Dance- Ote'a
But if you remember that scene when Bligh dances like a bear you must
be already laughing, hilarious !!!

Regarding inverter : mosfets are not getting even warm, although i
did not tested it for more than 5 minutes but 5 minutes is enough
time to become getting at least warm, but nothing like that happened...
Is it bad or good ? I think it is good, cause when my "six 3055 inverters"
strarts to work, after 5 minutes transistors are already very warm, and
after 10 minutes they are hot, after 15 minutes they are very hot...
So i consider this not warming mosfets as a big advantage !

For making Big Arcs from a 12v battery Stingo is King. I didn't realise how expensive these little trim pots are that i'm using I have to find some cheaper one's.

Big Arcs, what is that for ?

Sucahyo, here is on the right circuit that i tested, and on the left is your
last proposal, so i am not sure is there much difference ?
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1269792944

Concerning inverter output voltage changing with different loads :
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1269792944

Cheers !

[cikljamas]

Wow, after i looked more carefully there is big difference, i am even
very much surprised that you could propose that circuit on the right
at the first place, it does not make much sense to me (collector and
emitter joined together ?), now that i see your new proposal, even
before i test it i am sure it must work well !

And, i forgot to tell you what is the load difference : on the last
picture i use 15 W bulb, and there is 700 mAmps consumption,
and with 20 W bulb there was 880 mAmps, remember ?

And i did not make any adjusting with pots, if you compare
last picture and that one before you can notice that i removed
potentiometer on the last picture, so i replaced it with resistor
with same value that was set in the circuit by potentiometer
just because to see what is going to happen when i change
the load without any adjusting in the circuit...

And i do not want to change anything in the circuit, like i have
to adjust with stingo, in some way it could be disadvantage,
but i consider it (no adjusting) more advantage than disadvantage...

Cheers !

[cikljamas]

Sucahyo, maybe sometimes my words sounds bitter,
but i rely on your awareness of my friendly attitude,
so if ever my words seemed to be defying/challenging
or anything like that you should be aware of my good
intentions and absolutely positive attitude towards you
as electronic expert and father of stingo and who knows
what besides that !

So, i thought that maybe there is no need for above
explanation, but since i am not sure that you know
that i am one of those who never forget good deeds
(and you did a lot of good deeds) of other people
i just had feeling that i have to write these words
as kind of remembrance and gratitude to you and
your admirable work !

Thanks once again !

I am assembling this inventer to be able to use
it more practically in future and make space on
the test board for new testings, and next one is
going to be two tip 32 circuit of course !

Cheers !

[dingo]

slight tangent here...but looking at the Stingo with Ign coil..i was wondering whether a 2nd battery can be radiantly charged from the ignition coil while the car is running i.e. i have an auxilliary battery in my van. If so, how would it be done ?

Thx

[cikljamas]

complete setup

Here it is, complete setup with transformer and soldered circuit...
All you have to do is make it and turn on the light in your garage
in some wilderness or farm, or farm in wilderness...

And Farmhand, now i have to thank you too for this circuit and
for english grammar lesson that you are going to give me for
free, or if it is not for free charge it...

Well, if next sentence was correct grammatically than you just
should say : bravo !, but if it was not correct than you should
write down how it should be, here it is :

If you had not asked me about this inverters schematic i
would have not found it on the web !

Thanks !

Cheers !

[Farmhand]

Hi cikljamas, I don't have much time but I had to log on to say, bravo ! Very good, maybe a comma like this , after the word schematic, but thats not important. Just the fact that you can use two languages is very impressive to me. I guess they teach english in schools there. Do they ? They tried to teach me japanese at school, they said we would need it because the japanese would take over all the commerce eventually, well that didn't happen. I didn't learn japanese either, I only learned to count to ten in japanese thats it. Anyway looks like a good inverter to me. I have two commecial inverters but they both drain a lot of power just by turning them on. One uses 500Ma (300w/600w) the other almost an amp (1000/200w) they are pure sinewave inverters though so I should keep them.

Hi Dingo, you have a very good idea a couple of posts up that I don't think anyone has thought of yet, I might try that out on my old junker car one day soon, just to see what happens, not sure how to go about it yet or if it will work, but it's worth a try.

I'm off to the city. Wish me luck. The city is a wierd place, there are some angry people live in the city. They make me do this.

[skaght]

sparks

Sucahyo or Farmhand...

You mentioned getting really long arcs from the stingo and a twelve volt supply. I've built several stingos, but never built one that produced long arcs. Can either of you point me to a schematic for making a stingo that produces large arcs (i.e. high voltages)? And what's the highest voltage you've been able to produce?

Thanks!

[sucahyo]

Wow, after i looked more carefully there is big difference, i am even very much surprised that you could propose that circuit on the right at the first place, it does not make much sense to me (collector and emitter joined together ?), now that i see your new proposal, even before i test it i am sure it must work well !

Whoops, sorry, , my mistake, the right picture is wrong. The second PNP collector should connect to the first PNP base.

And, i forgot to tell you what is the load difference : on the last picture i use 15 W bulb, and there is 700 mAmps consumption, and with 20 W bulb there was 880 mAmps, remember ?

Ok. Can you post the voltage reading too?

And i do not want to change anything in the circuit, like i have to adjust with stingo, in some way it could be disadvantage, but i consider it (no adjusting) more advantage than disadvantage...

I use resistor too in my fixed circuit, because I don't think high COP is much of a problem with adaptor.

Sucahyo, maybe sometimes my words sounds bitter, but i rely on your awareness of my friendly attitude, so if ever my words seemed to be defying/challenging or anything like that you should be aware of my good intentions and absolutely positive attitude towards you
as electronic expert and father of stingo and who knows what besides that !

Thanks .

I don't mind question. It is also my fault for posting wrong diagram. I have interest in solving problem .

Congratulation for the inverter .

slight tangent here...but looking at the Stingo with Ign coil..i was wondering whether a 2nd battery can be radiantly charged from the ignition coil while the car is running i.e. i have an auxilliary battery in my van. If so, how would it be done ?

With step down transformer I think, only as desulfator.

I think it can also make the car engine stop runnning considering how small the car spark is. Maybe comparable to 100mA @12V stingo spark.


I would prefer to build stingo and use alternator output. I think car would not mind additional 500mA consumption.

You mentioned getting really long arcs from the stingo and a twelve volt supply. I've built several stingos, but never built one that produced long arcs. Can either of you point me to a schematic for making a stingo that produces large arcs (i.e. high voltages)? And what's the highest voltage you've been able to produce?

You need high voltage transformer like car coil or neon sign tube transformer or maybe CRT flyback. You can even use adaptor transformer, 12V/120V or 9V/240V what ever you have.

You use the low voltage part as stingo coil, then get the spark from the high voltage part.

I don't know what is my highest record for secondary HV voltage, I don't have high voltage meter, but the voltage of the low voltage part can exceed 1000V, even on analog meter.

The spark gap at low voltage part is really damaging to the transistor or any other electronics connected to the same source. I also have inter coil spark problem with 9V/240V transformer that avoid me having long spark gap ...

[Farmhand]

Sucahyo or Farmhand...

You mentioned getting really long arcs from the stingo and a twelve volt supply. I've built several stingos, but never built one that produced long arcs. Can either of you point me to a schematic for making a stingo that produces large arcs (i.e. high voltages)? And what's the highest voltage you've been able to produce?
Thanks!

Hi skaght, Yeah like sucahyo said you need a car coil or similar, use the low voltage input coil in stingo as the main coil, and get the Sparks or Arks from between the HV output and ground I think it works better with the small condenser that is usually on a car ignition coil. And also better if no charging battery attached, but care should be taken, if no ark is produced and no current flows from the HV the transistors can get quite warm. I used little heat sinks and had no problems though, no burned transistors. I use protection neons aswell.

Here's a vid of Stingo in action with my conical coil spark gap. Lots of fun. There are others there and if you search stingo spark or ark or something you should find some more.
YouTube - AlternateFarmhand1's Channel

This one has some good crackles about the 3.30 m mark
YouTube - AlternateFarmhand1's Channel

[cikljamas]

inverters comparison with same 15 W bulb

Hi guys !

Farmhand, i remember from my karate days how to count till 5, the rest
i forgot, but i know how to say in japanese I LOVE YOU (ajshtelu, or if
you mean more women ajshtemas), and THANK YOU (aligatou), and that
is all that i need when i enter in concubines house

I must admit that you are almost as good joker as i am
Your last post made me laugh too, especially your shaking with your
head when you meat angry people with flooded houses

What did you mean by your question considering possibility of learning
english over here ? How do you imagine i could know to put that times
together (your lesson-bravo-thanks) without education ? Only throu
internet and books ?...It would not be so easy if at all, learning some
language like that, believe me ! Comma ? Thanks for that, better to
put comma, than to be in coma...

Sucahyo, here is my new picture with comparison two home made
inverters , first one picture is two mosfets lightening 15 W bulb,
second one is six 2n3055 inverter lightening the same bulb with
mAmps and voltage readings, just because you asked for it...

Cheers !

[7imix]

Sucahyo or Farmhand...

You mentioned getting really long arcs from the stingo and a twelve volt supply. I've built several stingos, but never built one that produced long arcs. Can either of you point me to a schematic for making a stingo that produces large arcs (i.e. high voltages)? And what's the highest voltage you've been able to produce?

Thanks!

Check out the videos in my channel if you want to see some sparks. Here's stingo driving a car ignition coil sparking my 7 gap multiple spark gap.

YouTube - Multiple spark gap

Soon I plan on trying a tv flyback I pulled out of an old tv.