Ongoing "Radiant" Discussion

[Mark]

Sucahyo

If you take the original Bedini SSG circuit using the 3055 transistors with an input of 24 volts and output going to a battery operating normally and you disconect the charging battery your transistors will blow almost instantly if there is no load. I have blown tons of them by disconecting my charging battery instead of my primary, sometimes 8 at a time!

[erfinder]

Sucahyo

If you take the original Bedini SSG circuit using the 3055 transistors with an input of 24 volts and output going to a battery operating normally and you disconect the charging battery your transistors will blow almost instantly if there is no load. I have blown tons of them by disconecting my charging battery instead of my primary, sometimes 8 at a time!

My recommendation....

Try using higher voltage transistors....keep the supply voltage low roughly 12ish or so...then you should be able to switch between load types without blowing your transistors......I can.....what I have found that works and works really really well is when you modify the trigger circuit, contrary to popular belief the trigger circuit has an extremely large influence on the "quality" of the kickback produced by the power strand....I'm not ready to disclose how I modified my trigger circuit, but I do recommend that anyone with a tad bit of interest in this circuit try modifying this part of the circuit....tip....modify in this case means adding something that wasn't there before....it could be as simple as adding a single diode in the proper place....

Don't take this as a comment thats not backed up by trials....just look at the SG circuit, you know what will happen if you remove the base resistance, or if the base to emitter diode is removed....simple changes can net big changes in performance of the circuit....positive or negative....


Regards

[Mark]

Erfinder

Not ready to disclose at this time? Why not? You've learned something but dont want to share it? How generous of you. I'm so sick of people coming to this forum to learn and get help with something and then when they learn something THEY dont want to share!

[nvisser]

Sucahyo

If you take the original Bedini SSG circuit using the 3055 transistors with an input of 24 volts and output going to a battery operating normally and you disconect the charging battery your transistors will blow almost instantly if there is no load. I have blown tons of them by disconecting my charging battery instead of my primary, sometimes 8 at a time!

You can try inserting a diode between the collector and emmiter of each transistor. Look at Bedinis patent: google patents 11592633 fig 2 & 5.
He says that the diodes protect the transistor by routing any high negative voltage transients to ground
I found that on my 9 filar coil when the battery became disconnected that it blew only one of that diodes and it effectively short the circuit so no further damage happend.
You could also connect TVS diodes (1.5KE18A) over the collector emmitor. They are normally used to protect mosfets.
They are SUPER FAST devices, working in the sub-nanosecond (pico) range!

[SeaMonkey]

Try using higher voltage transistors....keep the supply voltage low roughly 12ish or so...then you should be able to switch between load types without blowing your transistors......I can.....what I have found that works and works really really well is when you modify the trigger circuit, contrary to popular belief the trigger circuit has an extremely large influence on the "quality" of the kickback produced by the power strand....I'm not ready to disclose how I modified my trigger circuit, but I do recommend that anyone with a tad bit of interest in this circuit try modifying this part of the circuit....tip....modify in this case means adding something that wasn't there before....it could be as simple as adding a single diode in the proper place....

Learning the "tricks" of how to best drive the
switching device can pay huge dividends. Most
of them (the tricks) are documented in Applications
Notes or in Datasheets which are freely available
from the various semiconductor manufacturers
at their technical support web pages.

You can try inserting a diode between the collector and emitter of each transistor. Look at Bedini's patent: google patents 11592633 fig 2 & 5.
He says that the diodes protect the transistor by routing any high negative voltage transients to ground
I found that on my 9 filar coil when the battery became disconnected that it blew only one of that diodes and it effectively short the circuit so no further damage happend.
You could also connect TVS diodes (1.5KE18A) over the collector emitter. They are normally used to protect mosfets.
They are SUPER FAST devices, working in the sub-nanosecond (pico) range!

This is a worthy point. The Base-Emitter junction of the
bipolar transistor is susceptible to a rather low voltage
reverse bias breakdown due to its heavy doping.

While application of a small Base-Emitter reverse bias
is very helpful in speeding up the turn-off of a transistor,
it mustn't be so great that it causes the junction to go
into breakdown; that will result in some very odd behavior
of the transistor.

[gotoluc]

Then you're learning well as a result of your own
curiosity and experimentation!

The lead acid battery is an amazing device which
is capable of a very long life if treated with care.

Sulfation of the plates is a normal consequence of
battery discharge. When the battery is re-charged
most of the sulfation is restored to active plate
material however a small remnant of the sulfate
may remain in "pockets" of the plates.

To overcome this residual sulfation it was customary
to perform an "equalizing charge" periodically. This is
an Overvoltage Charge Cycle which will revert the
sulfation which is still fresh (amorphous) back into active
plate material and the "gassing" which occurs will "stir"
the electrolyte well in order to prevent "stratification."

In time this initially amorphous sulfate will change to
its stable crystalline form which cannot be "desulfated"
by normal charging voltages or even an equalizing
charge. As a result the battery will gradually lose its
capacity due to the increasing of the pockets of sulfation
which assume crystalline form.

The Desulfator Circuit applies to the battery being treated
very short (nanoSecond) pulses of very intense current at
a voltage which can rise to over 50 Volts on a 12 Volt battery.
This "radiant spike" of energy is capable of "desulfating" even
the crystallized stable form of sulfate and rejuvenating the
plates of the battery.

The individual spikes have a very high instantaneous power but
the average power is very low. Consequently, the battery
being treated will (should) not get hot to the touch.

Most desulfators operate at a relatively low frequency of from
1 to 5 KHz. At that range of frequencies the pulses are very
effective at desulfating and rejuvenating but will not have
sufficient power to "recharge" the battery.

Therefore, you will want to charge your battery in the "normal"
way and use the desulfator, either continuously or intermittently,
to keep the battery free of sulfation. The amount of power
needed for desulfation is low; generally less than 5 watts at the
very most. About 1 Watt is typical for even a large lead acid
battery.

The Inductor is the "workhorse" of the desulfator. It must have
a very low DC resistance (less than 0.2 Ohms - smaller is better)
and an inductance of from 100 to 500 microHenries. The inductor
can be hand made by winding heavy wire onto virtually any
magnetic core material (ferrite/powdered iron toroids, ferrite
rod, silicon steel "I" laminate bundle from an old transformer,
etc.) or it can be purchased. Any inductor with a current rating
of at least 2 Amperes will suffice.

I've attached diagrams for circuits which can be used to
"tune" the pulse width for maximum radiant spike output
from any inductor that you may desire to try.

Once the variable resistors have been "tweaked" for the
operation you desire then the values may be read with an
Ohmmeter and fixed resistors used in the final version of the
circuit. Different Inductors will require different resistance
values to get the "just right" pulse width for the best radiant
spike output with the least amount of input current.

When testing one of these circuits always have some sort of
"load" attached to the Inductor output to prevent damaging
the MosFet. A light bulb makes a good load and also will provide
a visual indication of Radiant Pulse strength. I often use a
12 Volt/ 300 mA automobile incandescent lamp.

Thank you SeaMonkey for taking the time to reply to my post and sharing your knowledge, experience and schematics.

I will give this some thought over the winter and build something next spring as we are at the end of the season here in Canada.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

[Aaron]

"reflected" power is backpressure of gas

In those cases there is a "reflected" energy building
up within the circuit which causes an abnormally high
power consumption and high power dissipation in the
amplifying/switching device.

Once the normal load is connected the energy which
would be "reflected" back into the circuit to cause
problems is now safely "dissipated" by the load.

This is the same as slamming a door on a room that has the
windows closed. You build up that pressure and it pushes
back on the door. If you crack the window, the door can
slam shut easily because it has a place to go and sometimes,
depending on the air flow, will suck the door closed meaning
there is a negative resistance on the pusher.

The Heaviside flow moving over a wire is a gas made
up of polarized and condensed positive photon potential
from the vacuum and it operates exactly like any
other gas with pressures both negative and positive,
since it is literally a gas that is responsible for
current by attracting the electrons from the copper atoms
and pulling them slowly towards the positive terminal
of the source dipole.

If you put too small of a battery on the back end to
receive the charge, it can make a school girl motor
for example run slower because the small battery is
causing too much back pressure. It is like putting a
potato in the tailpipe of a car - too much back pressure
and the engine can stall out. If you put on a big enough
battery more matched to the amount that is coming out,
the energizer can speed up since there is less resistance
to the gas pressure.

All these circuits are gas valves.

If you have no battery on the back end, all that
pressure will need someplace to go. It will only blow
the transistor if there is enough there. For most smaller
scale circuits, it isn't a problem to run them without a
battery on the back end and this is the case for virtually
every small scale practice model like the bare bones
school girl motor, which doesn't charge anything.

I have seen 2n3055 with the
metal top hat casing withstand quite a bit without even
bothering it and I have seen those cheap transistors
hold up to more in some occasions than what
the mjl21194 can hold up to for example.

With mosfets, the internal "intrinsic diode" routes the spike
back to the source battery but of course can only do
so much and from what I studied on them, most of those
didoes are very poor quality. I did quite a few experiments
bypassing them in various methods with much higher quality
diodes allowing up to 1300v spikes at very high frequency
to be safely routed back without having a secondary battery
at all. Most of those experiments were on the Ainslie circuit
tests and all were using a 555 timer to trigger the mosfet.

Sometimes the mosfet was completely switched by the
555 circuit but most of the experiments were getting the
timer circuit to cause the "parasitic hartley effect" and the
mosfet would oscillate up to close to 500MHz or more.

In any case, with enough power input it can cause the
switches to blow. I've seen 8~16 mjl21194's explode like
popcorn all at once because the secondary wasn't connected and
they even had 90v neons across the emitter/collector.

[sucahyo]

When current increases as a consequence of losing the load; that is an anomaly which indicates that something is wrong.

You still think that what I get is current increase without load and not current reduce with load huh?

Do you have proof?


I have circuit in front of me that can output 500mA to 12V battery and I can attach and detach any load at will.

This is what I done yesterday. Charging a single alkaline battery, then while the circuit still running, replace it with 12V, and then replace it with mid sized zinc carbon 1.5V. Still running well after months.

Sucahyo

If you take the original Bedini SSG circuit using the 3055 transistors with an input of 24 volts and output going to a battery operating normally and you disconect the charging battery your transistors will blow almost instantly if there is no load. I have blown tons of them by disconecting my charging battery instead of my primary, sometimes 8 at a time!

Yes, I am aware of that. But notice that I spesifically said it only applies to my stingo. Is that implementation qualifies as circuit that reduce current with load? If you can achieve it with 3055, I would like to learn it.

Also, have you ever run it without load?

You can kill your transistor when disconnecting load because you create spark. And those spark can kill transistor or any chip around.

I only get dead transistor if I spark the output. Which I did one time. I use TIP2955 and TIP3055 for my sparker and I would not hesitate to tell people to run it at 24V input for hours.

what I have found that works and works really really well is when you modify the trigger circuit, contrary to popular belief the trigger circuit has an extremely large influence on the "quality" of the kickback produced by the power strand.

Completely agree. Just changing the arrangement get me twice more powerfull circuit.

[Ecoman11]

Does anyone here test their devices output with the 1 ohm resister test? (like Bedini's SSG test) What does that test prove anyway?

Ecoman

[SeaMonkey]

You still think that what I get is current increase without load and not current reduce with load huh?

Do you have proof?


I have circuit in front of me that can output 500mA to 12V battery and I can attach and detach any load at will.

This is what I done yesterday. Charging a single alkaline battery, then while the circuit still running, replace it with 12V, and then replace it with mid sized zinc carbon 1.5V. Still running well after months.

There is no reason to disbelieve what you are
telling us all about your circuit.

I can only relate what I've personally experienced
with my own circuits and with Radio Transmitter
devices.

I no longer use bipolar transistors as switches
except for low voltage (9 Volts or less)
applications.

[sucahyo]

Does anyone here test their devices output with the 1 ohm resister test? (like Bedini's SSG test) What does that test prove anyway?

A test to prevent over current.

There is no reason to disbelieve what you are
telling us all about your circuit.

I can only relate what I've personally experienced with my own circuits and with Radio Transmitter devices.

Do your circuit reduce current consumption with load? And is that a radiant circuit? And you never dare to run it without load?

What is your circuit?

Because you kept talking as if you explaining radiant circuit and I really don't get it because a circuit that reduce consumption with load is very rare. You talk as if it common at first. Then explain as if you already have it but yet never give hint of limitation needed to achieve that operation, unlike people who already attain it for real.

You talk like that kind of circuit is easy to find. Can you even name who done it? I never read John Bedini or Peter Lindemann do / need that, so point someone else.


Do posting your circuit really that much of a trouble? why you post so many wrong conclusion? Do you base your conclusion on your own circuit? Then don't talk as if you know how my circuit work if you never build stingo. Why don't you just build it and then explain it from your own observation?

Where do you live anyway? I don't think you would need to skip few lunch just to buy radiant circuit components on US.




If anyone know any other circuit that always consume less with load, I would be very grateful if you can post it or even just give hint of alternate circuit existance. I don't mind seeing video of a black box or incomplete diagram.

[Aaron]

current drops with load

In one of these, the current drops when attaching a light bulb
as a load.

YouTube - Peter Lindemann Rotary Attraction Motor - First demo
YouTube - Peter Lindemann Rotary Attraction Motor 2a
YouTube - Peter Lindemann Rotary Attraction Motor 2b

We filmed those a few years ago.

[SeaMonkey]

A test to prevent over current.

Do your circuit reduce current consumption with load? And is that a radiant circuit? And you never dare to run it without load?

What is your circuit?

Because you kept talking as if you explaining radiant circuit and I really don't get it because a circuit that reduce consumption with load is very rare. You talk as if it common at first. Then explain as if you already have it but yet never give hint of limitation needed to achieve that operation, unlike people who already attain it for real.

You talk like that kind of circuit is easy to find. Can you even name who done it? I never read John Bedini or Peter Lindemann do / need that, so point someone else.

Do posting your circuit really that much of a trouble? why you post so many wrong conclusion? Do you base your conclusion on your own circuit? Then don't talk as if you know how my circuit work if you never build stingo. Why don't you just build it and then explain it from your own observation?

Where do you live anyway? I don't think you would need to skip few lunch just to buy radiant circuit components on US.

If anyone know any other circuit that always consume less with load, I would be very grateful if you can post it or even just give hint of alternate circuit existance. I don't mind seeing video of a black box or incomplete diagram.

Do you remember the days of the CB radio?

From the 60s all through the early 90s there
were many CB transceivers built and sold
worldwide (27 MHz.) It is still possible to find
them although the fad has largely evaporated.

The CB transmitter is limited to 5 Watts of DC
input power and will produce an RF output of
about 4 Watts.

Users of the CB radio transmitters were cautioned
to always have either an antenna or a dummy load
connected to the RF output before energizing or
"keying" the microphone. Unless the transmitter
circuit is properly "loaded" it will draw excessive
current and quickly damage the output transistor.

This is a characteristic of Radio Frequency Power
Amplifiers.

If you have the opportunity, discuss this matter
with someone who has experience with Radio
Transmitter circuitry. Do you have any friends
who are Radio Amateurs? Perhaps one of them
would be able to arrange a "safe" demonstration of
this phenomenon.

The high efficiency, high impulse power circuits which
I work with are not designed to be "unloaded" when
producing an output. Removing the load from such a
circuit will result in dangerously abnormal operation.

It is possible to construct a low powered circuit which
would demonstrate the reduction in current demand
when a load is attached. Many small oscillator circuits
will operate in such a manner. The "reflected" power
must be kept small in order to prevent damage.

Are you familiar with the "grid dip meter" or the "gate
dip meter?"

your "Stingo" circuit is a variation on a circuit style which
had its beginnings (solid state form) in the earliest days
of the transistor. It is an interesting and useful circuit
for learning about the properties of the inductor.

[Guruji]

JT

I am running a JT with a 3055 transistor to my battery bank. Is this a radiant circuit after all cause reading this thread you made me wonder guys? I am lighting a neon. In my intuition I feel that the resonance that it's important to the batteries not the power to charge.
Thanks for the discussion

[Ecoman11]

Here is a video of my circuit running a motor on the output.

YouTube - Load Test

I created a simple circuit that only has two diodes, bridge rectifier and a coil configured with a switch for pulsing. No resisters, transistors or timers. I’ll explain my circuit and setup another day when it’s tested and ready.

The first part of the video shows the motor running while connected to the positive and negative of the circuit output (bridge rectified). The current draw is 220mah and the input is 60mah. You can clearly see that upon loading the motor that the draw and input current increases. When I stop the motor the pulse stops and the current freezes at roughly 305mah (draw and input).

In the second setup I connect the negative of the bridge rectifier to the positive of the power source. The motor runs slower now drawing 190mah and the input is 50mah. When I load the motor you can see the draw current slightly decreases and input slightly increases. Obviously something has changed by redirecting the negative terminal. What’s odd is that when I stop the motor the pulse continues and the motor has a completely different sound. It sounds like an aerosol spray or sparks inside the motor.

I’m not sure what the technical explanation is however my thoughts are that circulating your negative output into the back-end (charging battery) only creates pressure in the room (circuit) as Aaron explained earlier on this thread. What you want to do is open the window of the room and ventilate the air back to the front door letting the radiant draw power from itself and not the primary power source.

This is observable because the motor impedance is variable upon slowing it down and will give you extra energy relative to the amount of BEMF in your coil. I think you could get the same effect in a battery if you could add more plates in real time. Someone needs to design a radiant battery soon.

I’ll be doing more tests and showing my circuit/coil design in the near future.

Remember that radiant always goes to where it’s welcomed the most.

Ecoman