Ongoing "Radiant" Discussion

[Guruji]

Oscillator

Farmhand you said that you're not good in electronics?;you're much better than me for sure LOL.
You was saying bifilar and on the schematic you said trifilar. My JT is bifilar one to base and the other to collector. This would be good?
So with caps you're saying that voltage goes higher even on panels interesting this.
Thanks for this circuit

[totoalas]

Battery Desulfator

Hi To all
below is a similar thread where Groundloop made his simple circuit for desulfating batteries and a wealth of healthy discussion
Ive built one and recovered at least 4 car batteries


12V 60A car battery , maybe dead?




cheers
totoalas

[Guruji]

Groundloop circuit

Hi totoalas I had build that circuit and it was a good one but consumed alot as I remembering it was consuming nearly 700ma.

[totoalas]

Desulfator

Hi Guruji
Have you tried the groundloop ckt with higher rating since ive tested it only mostly on 100 ah batteries

thanks

totoalas

Hi totoalas I had build that circuit and it was a good one but consumed alot as I remembering it was consuming nearly 700ma.

[Farmhand]

Farmhand you said that you're not good in electronics?;you're much better than me for sure LOL.
You was saying bifilar and on the schematic you said trifilar. My JT is bifilar one to base and the other to collector. This would be good?
So with caps you're saying that voltage goes higher even on panels interesting this.
Thanks for this circuit

Hi Guruji, I hope to be able to transfer video from my video camera to computer today I think i can explain it better with some video to help me. I realise most people don't have a trifiler oscillator so i'll do some tests with a bifiler one and make a drawing to better show how the oscillator is connected to the circuit. I'm still exploring ways to make the oscillator not necessary to get the pulses and simplify the circuit.

My setup is still going strong so I think no problems yet.

On a side note my neons came yesterday and I fitted some to some devices, I realise now why my transistors are being damaged so easily on my bike wheel energiser by disconnects, it's because the neons I was using were not good, the new neons burn much brighter when the charge battery is disconnected the difference is dramatic. So now I can invest in some more MJL21194's without worrying too much about wasting money.

I'll get to work on the video issue first.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Guruji

Just done some testing an I can't get a bifiler oscillator setup to trigger the effect I don't recommend using bifiler with this, the trifiler without it's own little cap pulser ie delivering pulses from the bridge rectifier does not trigger the effect either, for some reason I thought it did, but it does deliver spikes in with the solar power, and may even be more benificial than the heavy pulses. The trifiler with cap pulser works very well and triggers the effect every time.

The bifiler oscillator makes things not so versatile, and from what I see on testing won't trigger the SCR to switch off to cause the effect. Guruji i'm very sorry to answer your questions about that incorrectly without testing it, i've been trying so many things I was confused. I hope you havn't damaged any thing or wasted time because of it.

I've still had no luck with firewire connection but I shot a small video with the picture camera will upload it soon. I'll make a more precise drawing of the circuit complete with oscillator and everything the way I know it works, with part numbers and pics, please bear with me.

I will wind a trifiler joule thief when my new wire and stuff comes next week.

Can you wind a pickup wire as a third trifiler style winding over the top of your joule thief power winding to use with a bridge and small cap pulser?

The next drawing should clear things up.

Cheers

[Watson]

Schematic Questions

erfinder wrote,



I'm gonna take a stab at what I think this person could be talking about.

What would happen if I placed a 1n4007 diode between the base coil negative and the collector output bus ?

Surely there is some BEMF energy there to collect and if so it should improve the performance of the base circuit .

Any thoughts on that anyone ? I will try it tonight.

Cheers.

I've modified the attached drawing I found to reflect the changes i'll try, diode in red.

Well tried it and nothing happened I couldn't make any difference to the trigger with a diode, though I didn't put it in series at all, but I give up on that it works good enough for me as is.

The red wire from the cathode of the red diode meets the positive of two batteries and another diode. Is this a connection? Or does the red wire pass over the charging battery wire with no connection?

I don't see how the SCR is going to be reset after it has turned on.

The feedback winding is connected to a 1k pot and the other end is grounded. How does the 2N3055 get bias current? Normally this should be connected to some positive point 0.6V or more positive than the source negative.

This is very similar to the "FLEET" circuit shown in "A Practical Guide to Free Energy Devices", Chapter 5, page 37 or thereabouts. If you google for it, it's better to download chapter 5 because the whole .PDF is over 32 Megs and 2200 pages, and it caused my Firefox to lock up.
DISCLAIMER: Even though I've shown everyone this document, I do NOT endorse anything in this document. You use it at your own risk.

[Watson]

Transistors

Hi Guruji, I hope to be able to transfer video from my video camera to computer today I think i can explain it better with some video to help me. I realise most people don't have a trifiler oscillator so i'll do some tests with a bifiler one and make a drawing to better show how the oscillator is connected to the circuit. I'm still exploring ways to make the oscillator not necessary to get the pulses and simplify the circuit.

My setup is still going strong so I think no problems yet.

On a side note my neons came yesterday and I fitted some to some devices, I realise now why my transistors are being damaged so easily on my bike wheel energiser by disconnects, it's because the neons I was using were not good, the new neons burn much brighter when the charge battery is disconnected the difference is dramatic. So now I can invest in some more MJL21194's without worrying too much about wasting money.

I'll get to work on the video issue first.

Cheers

Those MJL21194 transistors are specially designed for audio amps and cost a lot more than the switching transistors - four bucks apiece at Futurlec. I use the 2SC2625 or 2SC5071 or similar power transistors I scrounge from PC power supplies. They come mounted on a nice finned heatsink. You can find power supplies at thrift shops or goodwill, or maybe in the garage. Even if you buy the transistors new, they're cheaper than those special audio transistors.

Also, believe it or not, there are some unscrupulous distributors that sell those premium audio transistors at a discount, and the transistors are counterfeit! They use the cheaper transistors and relabel them. Some people investigated this by removing (dissolving) the epoxy case and found that the chip inside was not the correct one for that audio transistor. Usually the chip is much smaller and that can cause poor performance and an early death.

[SeaMonkey]

Those MJL21194 transistors are specially designed for audio amps and cost a lot more than the switching transistors - four bucks apiece at Futurlec. I use the 2SC2625 or 2SC5071 or similar power transistors I scrounge from PC power supplies. They come mounted on a nice finned heatsink. You can find power supplies at thrift shops or goodwill, or maybe in the garage. Even if you buy the transistors new, they're cheaper than those special audio transistors.

Also, believe it or not, there are some unscrupulous distributors that sell those premium audio transistors at a discount, and the transistors are counterfeit! They use the cheaper transistors and relabel them. Some people investigated this by removing (dissolving) the epoxy case and found that the chip inside was not the correct one for that audio transistor. Usually the chip is much smaller and that can cause poor performance and an early death.

You make several excellent points.

For any given switching task there are a lot
of transistor types which will function very
well.

Once one becomes familiar with transistor
specifications and how to interpret them, then
one is is able to determine which transistor
types (Numbers) are suitable.

Electronics surplus outlets such as

All Electronics | Electronic and Electro-Mechanical Parts and Supplies at Discount Prices

have an excellent selection of transistors
at very reasonable prices.

For efficient switching it is far more important
to know how to provide the Base Drive Signal
which turns the transistor "on" and "off" than
the particular "Number" of the transistor.

[Farmhand]

Video

Well I finally was able to make another video, my neck problem has been giving me trouble, and towards the end of the video my pain medication was starting too kick in, so I appoligise for all the "umms" and the poor camera operation in advance.

YouTube - Circuit video_2_1.wmv

Edit. Got another couple of batteries from a neighbor's scrap heap today, both were holding 7-8v looking good now. Here is one being pulsed.

YouTube - Battery_2.wmv

Also, believe it or not, there are some unscrupulous distributors that sell those premium audio transistors at a discount, and the transistors are counterfeit! They use the cheaper transistors and relabel them. Some people investigated this by removing (dissolving) the epoxy case and found that the chip inside was not the correct one for that audio transistor. Usually the chip is much smaller and that can cause poor performance and an early death.

Hi Watson, yes I have seen that with other transistors as well. I usually use mje3055 because they are cheap and I like how they work, but they are very easy to ruin. I have noticed that some transistors I have tried with high voltage ratings don't work so well. I like the MJL's mainly for thier size, but I do notice that the waveform is a bit more vertical with them. I can get MJL's locally "the real deal" they charge $15 each for them. My chickens will provide the money.

With the thing i tried with the SSG trigger circuit, I was just curious about what the other person had posted and thought I would try some things. I think it was a furfie.

For efficient switching it is far more important
to know how to provide the Base Drive Signal
which turns the transistor "on" and "off" than
the particular "Number" of the transistor.

Yes of course your right, I was scoping the base signal on my SSG the other day and I gotta say it confused me, does the transistor need both negative and positive bias to turn off and on ?

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Schematic Diagram

Here's a schematic I used ExpressSHC, was fairly easy to learn.

This is exactly how mine is.

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...1.4.bmp?psid=1

It was easier to make the drawing than to shoot a video.

Cheers

[nvisser]

Your link does not work

[Guruji]

groundloop circuit

Hi Guruji
Have you tried the groundloop ckt with higher rating since ive tested it only mostly on 100 ah batteries

thanks

totoalas

Hi Totoalas yes I tried to charge a 500ah battery bank but as I told you before it was not that efficient as a solid state bedini in consumption.
Although not know how much output it was giving cause I have no instruments to measure. I can say that the neon was lighting the same to both circuits.

[Guruji]

Trifilar circuit

Hi Farmhand no problem it's ok I did not try the circuit yet but I will do it.
Thanks for your effort and sharing to all.

[Farmhand]

The edit function is sus I can't edit always.

Schematic-
http://ueedya.bay.livefilestore.com/...tor.bmp?psid=1

And I'll include a smaller one in attachment.