Ongoing "Radiant" Discussion

[Farmhand]

This circuit when used like this with solar panels should be self regulating. When a 6 v zener is used the battery should not charge past 14-15v, when the battery voltage gets to 14-15v the panels will no longer be able to raise the cap voltage enough to dump and the solar output will be blocked by the closed SCR so only the oscillator output will continue to charge the battery.

And if and when the voltage of the battery drops the caps will resume pulsing.

If the zener is jumpered out, theoretically the circuit could charge the battery to 19- 20 volts or so, it is good to equalise the battery bank by charging to 15.3 volts every now and then and this circuit allows that under supervision without the need for an expensive charge controller. There really needs to be a way to stop overcharging when not using the zener. I havn't worked that out yet.

I have learned so much stuff here I only hope to contribute a part to help, I don't really deserve much credit as most of what I have learned I have learned from others too numerous to name. The stuff I have learned here is becoming very usefull to me.

Word is spreading of these things, I have a few people around here (off grid) who are open to the possibilities. Though they are busy people and for now I offer to try to fix thier batteries for return work from them. Work that I can no longer do because of my neck problem. And no money changes hands.

Regards.

Updated schematic here. I added 3 pole switch for zener selection, a pot on the oscillator trigger and changed the fixed base resistor to 1k, also added a neon.

http://ueedya.bay.livefilestore.com/...tor.bmp?psid=1

I'll post my latest update to this circuit here but i'll make a new thread soon when I have time. New drawing has switch and SCR+Caps arrangement to charge the oscillator source battery ( I use a cheapo charge controller there), I have adjusted the zener value's ( they need to be selected for the particular setup "tuned" ) i've also added an led to indicate the voltage difference is working which I havn't tried yet. I can probably think of more things to make it more complicated.

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...1.4.bmp?psid=1

I just realised the setup now has three SCR's.

[totoalas]

Groundoop circuit

Hi Totoalas yes I tried to charge a 500ah battery bank but as I told you before it was not that efficient as a solid state bedini in consumption.
Although not know how much output it was giving cause I have no instruments to measure. I can say that the neon was lighting the same to both circuits.

Juruji
thanks for the info
Now Im comforable to use it i my future battery bank using old golf cart batteries

cheers

totoalas

[totoalas]

Solar Charger

This circuit when used like this with solar panels should be self regulating. When a 6 v zener is used the battery should not charge past 14-15v, when the battery voltage gets to 14-15v the panels will no longer be able to raise the cap voltage enough to dump and the solar output will be blocked by the closed SCR so only the oscillator output will continue to charge the battery.

And if and when the voltage of the battery drops the caps will resume pulsing.

If the zener is jumpered out, theoretically the circuit could charge the battery to 19- 20 volts or so, it is good to equalise the battery bank by charging to 15.3 volts every now and then and this circuit allows that under supervision without the need for an expensive charge controller. There really needs to be a way to stop overcharging when not using the zener. I havn't worked that out yet.

I have learned so much stuff here I only hope to contribute a part to help, I don't really deserve much credit as most of what I have learned I have learned from others too numerous to name. The stuff I have learned here is becoming very usefull to me.

Word is spreading of these things, I have a few people around here (off grid) who are open to the possibilities. Though they are busy people and for now I offer to try to fix thier batteries for return work from them. Work that I can no longer do because of my neck problem. And no money changes hands.

Regards.

Updated schematic here. I added 3 pole switch for zener selection, a pot on the oscillator trigger and changed the fixed base resistor to 1k, also added a neon.

http://ueedya.bay.livefilestore.com/...tor.bmp?psid=1

I'll post my latest update to this circuit here but i'll make a new thread soon when I have time. New drawing has switch and SCR+Caps arrangement to charge the oscillator source battery ( I use a cheapo charge controller there), I have adjusted the zener value's ( they need to be selected for the particular setup "tuned" ) i've also added an led to indicate the voltage difference is working which I havn't tried yet. I can probably think of more things to make it more complicated.

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...1.4.bmp?psid=1

I just realised the setup now has three SCR's.

Hi Farmhand
thanks forte great circuit you posted
Can a wind generator with output 17 v be used also
How about a dummy load to shave the extra charge

cheers
totoalas

[Farmhand]

Hi totoalas,

Hi Farmhand
thanks forte great circuit you posted
Can a wind generator with output 17 v be used also
How about a dummy load to shave the extra charge

Yes I don't see why it couldn't be used with a wind generator, though you would need a load dump. And some of the componants would need to be upgraded for higher current, This circuit is only rated to the SCR rating, I think 4 or 8 Amps not sure. I did build a relay based battery swapper with a load dump and it works very well, but there are a couple of bugs in it, it leaks a small amount of power through the zeners before it should, I can tell because the zeners are getting warm when they shouldn't.

I think I can fix it though, I just havn't taken the time yet. Here is the very rough concept drawing I made.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...005.JPG?psid=1

I'll make it it's own drawing soon as I get a chance, i've been meaning to and I just received 4 x 135 RC 640 CCA batteries and all 4 look salvagable, so I will need it myself.

Cheers

[totoalas]

Hi totoalas,



Yes I don't see why it couldn't be used with a wind generator, though you would need a load dump. And some of the componants would need to be upgraded for higher current, This circuit is only rated to the SCR rating, I think 4 or 8 Amps not sure. I did build a relay based battery swapper with a load dump and it works very well, but there are a couple of bugs in it, it leaks a small amount of power through the zeners before it should, I can tell because the zeners are getting warm when they shouldn't.

I think I can fix it though, I just havn't taken the time yet. Here is the very rough concept drawing I made.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...005.JPG?psid=1

I'll make it it's own drawing soon as I get a chance, i've been meaning to and I just received 4 x 135 RC 640 CCA batteries and all 4 look salvagable, so I will need it myself.

Cheers

Thanks for the swift reply and diagram
will be waiting for your revised one

totoalas

[Farmhand]

Thanks for the kind words, you're welcome it's my pleasure.

Here is a picture of the prototype I made, I needed two relays one to swap batteries and one to dump load, the 5 volt relays I used are not ideal, I think 12 volt relays will solve my problem. The left is the input, the right the output and the purple and white are the load dump, the one output negative is split to two.

The battery swap and load dump voltages can be adjusted by the trimpots, I like to charge good batteries to 14.6 volts if the charging is stopped by swapping, it does swap back aswell, well it did once i seen it

The old drawing is no good it won't work.

Oh yeah I did check out the groundloop circuit, it's a good circuit as far as I can tell. The heat concerns me.

Cheers

[totoalas]

Thanks for the kind words, you're welcome it's my pleasure.

Here is a picture of the prototype I made, I needed two relays one to swap batteries and one to dump load, the 5 volt relays I used are not ideal, I think 12 volt relays will solve my problem. The left is the input, the right the output and the purple and white are the load dump, the one output negative is split to two.

The battery swap and load dump voltages can be adjusted by the trimpots, I like to charge good batteries to 14.6 volts if the charging is stopped by swapping, it does swap back aswell, well it did once i seen it

The old drawing is no good it won't work.

Oh yeah I did check out the groundloop circuit, it's a good circuit as far as I can tell. The heat concerns me.

Cheers

Hi
Ive converted a ceiling fan with one meter blade into a wind generator
your circuit surely fit my gen
The groundloop circuit stays warm 29 deg C at 9 volts input continuous after 3 days desulfating a dead battery 0.5 volts 70Ah and managed to restore to 13 volts which i now use in my experiments
How about the specs of your tri fillar coil????

cheers
totoalas

[Farmhand]

Ive converted a ceiling fan with one meter blade into a wind generator
your circuit surely fit my gen
The groundloop circuit stays warm 29 deg C at 9 volts input continuous after 3 days desulfating a dead battery 0.5 volts 70Ah and managed to restore to 13 volts which i now use in my experiments
How about the specs of your tri fillar coil????

Ceiling fan wind generator thats a good idea.
The Groundloop circuit mustn't get as hot as thought and that does sound like good performance, if it fixed the battery it is good. I can't see why you couldn't use that, it is trifiler. In fact your groundloop circuit is likely better than what I am using.

My trifiler coil is 0.5 mm wire twisted about 35 meters or 100 feet or so i'm not certain of the length exactly maybe more, the strands have about 7 or 8 ohms resistance. Not the best. Some new wire just arrived so i'm making coils again soon, to try some different circuits. I got some 1 mm but only 60 meters rolls.

I just drew off 1 amp for a half hour from the first scrap battery to hold at over 12 volts again, it's a start, I let it go down to 10.9v. I'm stoked it's the first old large battery i've got a hold of that doesn't have a shorted cell or two.

I found that people into 4WD's are a good source of old batteries. Ive got six batteries to do but only a bike wheel, two stand alone oscillators and the solar setup to do it with, so two will have to wait. I'm told there are as many as thirty I can get so far.

Cheers

I have made a new thread for this circuit and discussion here- http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-variants.html

[SeaMonkey]

Class D Audio Amplifier video

The video is a very good introduction to Class D
Amplification (High Speed Switching) which is
essentially the same as "Radiant Energy Switching."

Try to follow the explanations to see why the
MOSFET is able to deliver high output power with
very little loss, and to understand the significance
of the Driver Chip.

Feel free to ask questions about anything presented
which you do not understand.

[SeaMonkey]

Low Voltage Timer Chips

This Web Page introduces a new type of low voltage
timer chip which has some very interesting features.

Low Voltage Timers may be used to drive low
voltage switching circuits with precision in
those applications where you want a specific
pulse width to maximize radiant kickback from
a pulsed inductor.

The attachments below are spec sheets for
two low voltage timers which are presently available.

Look for the schematic diagram which shows the
boost converter with the switching speedup
in the base circuit of the switching transistor.

{Unable to add attachments due to lack of space
remaining. I'll add them in a future post.}

[Farmhand]

Hi Seamonkey, great video, i've watched it a few time's now though as soon as he says the words " creating substantial power gain " I have trouble concentrating further.

I think I got what you meant about the mosfet's very low on resistance when driven correctly and I can understand the importance of the dead time being optimised. There are some very interesting circuits in that video, I think you will know the ones i mean. I downloaded the video for future reference. Thank you very much.

I will have more questions soon but I am very short on time today. I can't get those words out of my head still "creating substantial power gain " love it. It's stuck in my head like an old hippy song.

Getting back to the circuit you posted, I think I have most of what I need, I can only get 1mm wire at the moment. Will that do ? I can see some very nice wire inside an Alternator but I dont have time to pull it apart just now. I have a black shiny inductor core 40mm by 10 mm. I don't have the cmos chip though I think I can get it monday.

My reconning of the batteries is coming along ok but a couple of them need extended treatment which is where the efficiency and effectiveness of the Mosfet will be appreciated.

Thanks again.

[SeaMonkey]

The attachments below are spec sheets for
two low voltage timers which are presently available.

Look for the schematic diagram which shows the
boost converter with the switching speedup
in the base circuit of the switching transistor.

OK, space was successfully cleared to make room for
the attachments below.

The schematic diagram referred to above is on page
10 of the ZSCT1555 spec sheet. Study how the timer
chip is interfaced to the switching transistor to provide
(a) adequate base current drive to the switching
transistor, and
(b) the "turn-off" speed-up portion of the base drive
circuit.

These are very useful techniques to enhance the
performance of any "radiant energy" circuit.


I've also included a sheet for one of the new high
efficiency transistors which is available from Mouser
for $0.27 each; a tiny surface mount transistor
which is capable of 5.6 Amperes of collector current
with very good current gain - about 100 ~ 250 mA of
base current will take it into deep saturation for a very
low Collector to Emitter Resistance which is nearly
as good as a MOSFET (particularly for low voltage
applications.)

With a little skill and a low wattage soldering iron,
extended leads may be attached to to the transistor
for convenience in breadboarding test circuits.

[SeaMonkey]

Getting back to the circuit you posted, I think I have most of what I need, I can only get 1mm wire at the moment. Will that do ? I can see some very nice wire inside an Alternator but I dont have time to pull it apart just now. I have a black shiny inductor core 40mm by 10 mm. I don't have the cmos chip though I think I can get it monday.

My reconning of the batteries is coming along ok but a couple of them need extended treatment which is where the efficiency and effectiveness of the Mosfet will be appreciated.

Thanks again.

Yes, 1 mm size wire will certainly be fine for
a test circuit and should have sufficiently low
resistance for many tasks.

To further reduce the DC resistance of the
inductor wind the 1 mm wire as a bifilar or trifilar
winding and simply connect the wires in parallel.
This will function as a "home made" Litz wired
inductor with very good performance.

There are cases where multiple paralleled wires
will work better than a large solid conductor.

Yes indeed, there are many ways to cook that
proverbial "goose." Or was it a hen?

[Guruji]

fan conversion

Hi
Ive converted a ceiling fan with one meter blade into a wind generator
your circuit surely fit my gen
The groundloop circuit stays warm 29 deg C at 9 volts input continuous after 3 days desulfating a dead battery 0.5 volts 70Ah and managed to restore to 13 volts which i now use in my experiments
How about the specs of your tri fillar coil????

cheers
totoalas

Hi totoalas can you share how did you convert the ceiling fan and what kind of ceiling fan was it?
Thanks

[totoalas]

Fan conversion

Hi totoalas can you share how did you convert the ceiling fan and what kind of ceiling fan was it?
Thanks

Hi Juruji
I used 26 awg 100 turns in series along the slots inner and outer
The metal cover for an old ceiling 1 m blade fan will hold the neodyne magnet from Hard disc drive 20 to 40 gigabyte installed on both side of the cover( 10 on each side)

using a workshop fan at speed 3 to test my wind gen it produced 17 v dc

YouTube - muddymuddymuddmann's Channel
The YAW tail works very well using a cover from an old scanner
cheeers

totoalas