Pyramid

[NickZ]

I connected the Leyden coffee mug capacitor to the Jtc, and have been watching as how the salt water can reach as high as 250 volts,or more.
I looked at the salty water in the mug and wondered if there really is 250 volts there, so I put my finger in mug, oh, ****ttttttt!!!!!!, it did charge up. But the funny part is that once disconnected there are no volts left in the water. Although there is something left in the water, but I don't know what. As it will go right back up to 250 volts as soon as the Jtc is turned on again. So, I also connected a 250v 220 mf cap in series with the Leyden jar mug. Now when I turned the Jt off, the cap is holding 250 volts. I can read the voltage with the meter repeatedly and the caps just stays at 250 volts, so far. I noticed that if I spin the water in the mug it will charge faster.
So, I been having a fun time, if I can just dodge those zaps.

[sucahyo]

I connected the Leyden coffee mug capacitor to the Jtc, and have been watching as how the salt water can reach as high as 250 volts,or more.
I looked at the salty water in the mug and wondered if there really is 250 volts there, so I put my finger in mug, oh, ****ttttttt!!!!!!, it did charge up. But the funny part is that once disconnected there are no volts left in the water. Although there is something left in the water, but I don't know what. As it will go right back up to 250 volts as soon as the Jtc is turned on again. So, I also connected a 250v 220 mf cap in series with the Leyden jar mug. Now when I turned the Jt off, the cap is holding 250 volts. I can read the voltage with the meter repeatedly and the caps just stays at 250 volts, so far. I noticed that if I spin the water in the mug it will charge faster.
So, I been having a fun time, if I can just dodge those zaps.

Interesting that spinning can increase charge.

Lol, human curiosity is interesting. Your story remind me of my son's story. He know for sure that whenever I put one wire in the bucket, the water can zap him. But he keep trying to find a way to test if it can really zap people ......He then try to trick me or my wife to touch the water lol .......

[blackchisel97]

I noticed that if I spin the water in the mug it will charge faster
Thanks for sharing Nick
Yes, it will. Also it will charge even faster when moving in vortex. I was always tempted to replicate an old Lord Kelvin experiment but to modify upper water containers so water will be coming down spinning. I always found this experiment inspiring and somehow related to our test subject by meaning of a "liquid capacitor"

I did another test with by bifilar starship oscillator, tuned better and powered 25 LED's full bright from 1.5V AA, 3.6mA per LED. I think I'm hijacking this thread. I should really post this in JT thread instead.
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[NickZ]

Oh, I had a good laugh with that one.
Maybe I should try that on my wife and kids. Ha, ha, ha.
You know sometimes meters can be deceiving, but not the touch. But, I'm afraid that I don't have much tolerance for anything past a tingle.
The Leyden Jar has been a good learning experience. I'm seeing what it will do. It seams to separate the polarities somehow, which is still a mistery to me. I've never seen one of my Joule thief charge a capacitor to 250 v. until today. Confirmed by the touch.
Now, I wonder where my wife and kids are...

[NickZ]

Bc:
Nice going with the star coil, looks like it's running at 1/10 the normal load for the # of leds.
The resin casing had no negative effects on it's power output. So, at least in this case, resin appears to works.

Vortex coils creating a negative charged inwards force or spin (cavitation), make more sense to me, compared to the positive outward pulsing of dipoles coils.


roburs idea of the spinning distilled water is interesting too. Where is robur? I'm sure he'd have something more to say about it.
The water vortex reminds me of the German guy Victor (Bell shaped saucer) and some of his ideas about water vortexes and antigravity
technology.

[blackchisel97]

Yes, I have a fun with it. I was making bigger one while ago and had some leftover 30 - 40ft of #30 wire. Since it was so delicate I decided to encapsulate in polyester. Perhaps more wire would yield better results with oscillator. What I like about is no need for toroid and it is really simple to wind. Actually easier than toroid. I used sewing pins as points.
Circuit draws about 90mA tuned. I can go with more current all the way to 150mA but LED are getting dimmer. 90Ma seems to be the "sweet spot". Adding LED's doesn't change current draw. 5 - 10 or 25 - stays the same.
This gave me an idea to make a trifilar cone and oscillate each coil with third coil feedback to the first transistor. With single cone there should be strong EMF under it. JL Naudin did something similar back in the 97. His cone was 14 x 14 cm and #15 trifilar wire. I would change proportions and use 6V instead.
Yes, distilled water will behave totally different since it is dielectric.
You can make simple "propeller" by cutting out two triangles and making half way cut along the vertical axis. One triangle being cut from the top and other from the base up, half way. Slide them together using the notch and secure. Probably copper will work best and you can solder a rod to attach to the small motor. When you rotate this in the water container it will create a vortex. You could use this connected to your JT to charge while spinning.

Victor Schauberger - Viktor Schauberger: Austrian Patents (Vortex Control of Water Flow)


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[sucahyo]

NickZ, I believe small electric shock can have good health benefit .

Very nice results with the starship coil Vtech .


Pyramid is said to best aligned to north and south. And magnet can be added to make stronger artificial earth pole.

I wonder if this can also be done with electromagnet. We wound the pyramid with thin enamel wire and apply DC voltage in such a way that the wound would create magnet north at north, and magnet south at south.

We wound starting from south-west bottom, then to top, to south-east bottom, to further north of south-west bottom, to top, to further north of south-east bottom, and so on, continue until we fill up the west and east wall.

There would be magnet flow inside the pyramid. However we may need to consider the side effect of having magnetic flow outside the west and east pyramid.

If the field is strong enough, we may not need to align the pyramid north and south anymore.

[blackchisel97]

In case of a small pyramids magnets can be applied to all 4 sides. They don't have to be big. Probably small neo ring will be enough.

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[robur]

Interesting that spinning can increase charge.

Lol, human curiosity is interesting. Your story remind me of my son's story. He know for sure that whenever I put one wire in the bucket, the water can zap him. But he keep trying to find a way to test if it can really zap people ......He then try to trick me or my wife to touch the water lol .......

If you spin water it's moleculas gain charge 4-5 times faster then if stationary.
Because as they move more of them move past charging point at any given time - so the over all speed increasses and a lot.

@ Nick
I was thinking how to make the distilled water spin in Aether field withing a capasitor which then you can discharge.

[robur]

If you spin water it's moleculas gain charge 4-5 times faster then if stationary.
Because as they move more of them move past charging point at any given time - so the over all speed increasses and a lot.

@ Nick
I was thinking how to make the distilled water spin in Aether field withing a capasitor which then you can discharge.

1 other thing - water vortex creats HV yes.But you need to collect it.
Aether vortex is in some way if i may say so similar towater the faster it spins the more power it has.

Speed of the vortex is determined by it's frequency. Dropping frequency may not be a good idea as when you drop the frequency speed drop would follow.

Thanks

[NickZ]

@ robur
Thanks for the explanation. Did you see my PMs to you?
I can see spinning a water vortex using a small Dc motor and propeller to spin the water inside a container (capacitor), like the Bc's example shown above. Solar panel can provide the power for the Dc motor to "spin freely"
What about using ferrofluid instead of water? Using a vortex coil to spin a ferrofluid vortex inside a donut shaped tube, instead of water, or you think water is better? Water I got... and it looks like the water does not need to be replaced, and can circulate like in a capacitor "radiator".
How to tap the spinning vortex? My favorite question... I don't suppose you grab it by the tail?

[blackchisel97]

More water tests

I made two samples (bigger this time) of water and left overnight under and over the cones connected to a 6V battery. They're almost frozen solid. Will take a pic's after supper. Interesting shape of frozen mass inside (round) and very clear however, there is a crystal like sharp, wing shape inside of one sample. I've never seen anything like that before.
Will post.


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[robur]

@ robur
Thanks for the explanation. Did you see my PMs to you?
I can see spinning a water vortex using a small Dc motor and propeller to spin the water inside a container (capacitor), like the Bc's example shown above. Solar panel can provide the power for the Dc motor to "spin freely"
What about using ferrofluid instead of water? Using a vortex coil to spin a ferrofluid vortex inside a donut shaped tube, instead of water, or you think water is better? Water I got... and it looks like the water does not need to be replaced, and can circulate like in a capacitor "radiator".
How to tap the spinning vortex? My favorite question... I don't suppose you grab it by the tail?

I seen PMs yes but i had no answer on my e-mail to you.

Ahh ferro fluid again.
I would rather not play with this. in 2003 this costed me dearly

[NickZ]

robur
I did not get your e-mail as far as I know.
Please send it to me again, put for the subject: Attention! I will look for it.

[NickZ]

Blackchisel:
I was wondering, after admiring your resin cast star coil, how it would work connected a couple of of your cement batteries.
You sure do nice clean work, keep it up.
I still want to have at least one or two working cement batteries. You have encouraged me.
I'll try the beach -sand, baking-soda, copper coil turned in through itself, beer can battery, before I give up. My big Hilda battery did not work either, only to give me a couple good shocks while I wasn't looking. Now that Sucahyo said that some shocks are good for you, I might not mind as much. But, when that thing zapped me,
I jumped through the roof...
I'll check into a couple of videos and get back to you. Interesting stuff going on all over.
robur: I'll e-mail you, soon as I get yours.