Pyramid

[NickZ]

Guys:
I have finished the new beach sand batteries, and they are showing the expected results of much higher mA readings. But there is a catch... they are working just like a capacitor. When first connected to the meter each battery will bounce the meter's needle up to about 40 mA. Then drop fairly quickly (one minute) as I am watching, down to about 3 mA, and stay there. The voltage is almost 2 volts at first, but also drops to about 1.2 volts, or so after a while. In any case they are stronger than the previously made ones, but still drop down to a lower light level after a while.
I have not been able to light a Joule Thief with them yet, even when three of them in series are showing 6 volts readings. I have not had a chance to connected them both in series as well as in parallel, at the same time yet, Or to connect the right Jt to them, with no resistor in the circuit, like I did with my solar Jtc.
I think that making a copper coil that goes inside of the can that looks like one coil of the Basher cone antenna, may work better than a straight coil. Same principal perhaps. I have one coil ready made for that test next.
I think that these are capacitor-batteries, but like a lower farad capacitor they don't hold their original standing charge for long, but do bounce back quickly. I know they would charge the right capacitor bank or a battery if given enough time, as I've already tried to charge a capacitor, with success. The one with weakest voltage and current will restrict the flow of juice to the rest of them in series, just like a restriction in a water hose.
Great fun, so far...

[blackchisel97]

Thanks for clarification Vtech .
Will you make the one with winding like this 3D version bellow?

Notice that it is different from yours.
If we look always from the top, the winding goes CW as the loop get smaller to reach the top, and then starting the winding again also CW from the top to get smaller to the bottom.

If we trace the wire route from bottom standing cone and always see from the top; your first one CW going up, CCW going down; your second one CCW going up and CW going down.
Do they both have same energy pattern?
So the close loop interconnect both bashar antenna?

I spent another few hours following Russell. Just when thought that I finally understood I came to the conclusion that it can be interpreted in two different ways.
Bashar antenna is simple; you keep winding in one direction up and down in the same direction - cw, just like in the pic below.
Russell coils are somewhat different. Now, when I read over from his description - "the inner coils are wound from the ends toward the center in opposite direction. The outer coils are wound from the center toward ends in opposite directions" - it did appear to me what it means (I hope I'm right this time). I tried to wind small model based on that and it didn't make sense, as well as my bigger coils. What Russell means by inner and outer coils?
If we see the coils as vortex, then the beginning/enter/input would be the wide part. That's where the vortex starts forming. Following this, inner coil would be the one which has bases in the center and apices facing out (two cones connected with bases).
Outer coil is the one made of two cones connected with apexes.
What was confusing in Russell description was "opposite direction" mentioned twice and suggesting that opposite cones have opposite winding directions and that's the way I made my cones. Beside, this comment under the picture wasn't made by Russell but someone who wrote about him. If you eliminate first "opposite direction" leaving the last one then entire thing make sense.
What I think it suppose to mean is that INNER and OUTER coils are wound i opposite direction. Inner coil (cones connected with bases) is wound CCW (Fig.127) and outer is wound IN OPPOSITE DIRECTION - CW (Fig.126).
As a consequence we have two coils which are assembled together. Also, as I thought at first (but did wrong) they are two identical coils (as per Bashar) but connected in the center (apex to apex and base to base) instead of connecting apex with base of one set. Now, we have two coils; inner and outer with outside wires; two from apexes of inner coil and two from bases of outer coil. The equator, also marked as "0" in the Phi, or equilibrium zone or a Bloch Wall - same as in bifilar coil, wound with twisted (Litz) wire. If we stimulate this tank into vibration and compressing/decompressing time/space and energy starts flowing in pulses accordingly from the vacuum through the zero point? What do you think
But when I look at the central picture of entire assembly, those arrows are messing things up again. While right side (both cones) seems correct, the left one has arrows suddenly changing direction I can't find more info from Russell about this. I think it was described in the book which I don't have - Atomic Suicide. I need to go through those I have again and perhaps to rewind those coils and .....find out.


Vtech

[blackchisel97]

Thanks for clarification Vtech .

Notice that it is different from yours. Yes, and I think I did mistake...

If we look always from the top, the winding goes CW as the loop get smaller to reach the top, and then starting the winding again also CW from the top to get smaller to the bottom. Yes, correct. Again, I did follow written description which I found confusing.
Do they both have same energy pattern?
When I checked it was changing. At one moment left side was stronger after a while the right side took over.

So the close loop interconnect both bashar antenna?

When done the way which now I think it should be done they could be looped since there is one direction from base to apex as well as one direction through inner and outer coil but I don't think they should be connected outside. Only in the center.


Vtech

[NickZ]

Bc:
The pictures and diagrams may be wrong, I would forget Russel for now.
So long as the one coil is cw and the other is ccw should be all that is important. The pic of your last small coils you show, look right to me.
It is also the same way that I will do my next cement battery, as the cone shape coil inverted up through itself is working best in my set up, with alot more mAs. Baking power (not soda) was also added.
Please explain about the Jt connected to the cement battery not draining the charge. How many total mAs are you drawing, and total voltage also? Are you using a resistor, if so, of what value?
Thanks in advance for the info, and good luck with your Antenna Coil.

[blackchisel97]

I need to take a break. My head is spinning.
Nick, take a transistor (I use 2N2222). Solder LED between the C-E (cathode to the E. Connect the B to the 20 -50kOhm pot. E is negative of your battery. C goes to one end of one coil. Center pin from the pot goes to the end of second coil. Remaining wires from both coils are connected together and go to the positive of your battery. Coil can be 35 -40ft of thin #30 or near wire wound together (bifilar) on piece of iron (1/8" thick) or can be an air coil. I used this to oscillate my copper cones and small starship coil. It will start to oscillate at 0.75V and light LED at 3mA. At 5mA LED will be fully bright. You may notice brightest LED in certain spot, not necessary lowest pot resistance. Also, you may found a spot where your battery sits for a long time powering LED and is not dropping fast.

Thanks
Vtech

[NickZ]

Bc:
Thank you for the information. I also watched your video which helped a lot to understand your point. Now I see what is happening.
I am a bit disappointed in that my newer cement batteries are not holding a charge either, and the led light becomes dim after a while, although it does not go completely out. They are working more like a capacitor than a batteries. The single Led I use is also a blue one, is not as bright as yours although it starts about as same intensity, but as you mentioned they will drop down and become dim. A useless intensity, just like a indicator light. I normally find that the Jtc is taking more power that it gives when connected to such a low mA circuit, but in your case it looks like the trim pot is regulating that to a degree. I have burnt out my pots, and have not been able to replace them yet. Although I have one that may work to somewhat to test your idea. I have tried to connect the batteries to a Jt with no resistor, but the leds (3 on that Jtc) still will not light when going through it. I can light three leds connected direct to the batteries.
I also tried a combination of series and parallel connections with the batteries, but also no luck there. Maybe it will work like yours does with just a resistor on the cement batteries, to keep the voltage and mAs from dropping as fast. I'll get it sooner or later.
Anyways, my head is also spinning... thanks again, for your help.

@ Sucahyo: I watched your video about making the cemenite, and it looks like they are good for just about everything. Are they good for curing spinning heads? Thanks for the link to your videos.

[sucahyo]

NickZ, I think cone coil inside cement battery will act more like electrode. I think we should put the cap / battery inside / between the field of the cone coil.

I try to peel my cell and let it dry completely, and now it no longer produce voltage.

Vtech, thanks for the info. Interesting that energy can flip side slowly.

Here is russell picture related to cone, click to zoom:

@ Sucahyo: I watched your video about making the cemenite, and it looks like they are good for just about everything. Are they good for curing spinning heads? Thanks for the link to your videos.

Sometimes cemenite can help ease headache, especially if it related to nightmare or hard to sleep effect.

[NickZ]

Sucahyo:
I did not sleep hardly at all last night, and this morning I feel very bad, worse than when I went to sleep last night. I guess I am worried, or maybe it was the moon affects. Whatever it is I feel like hell today.
I looked into orgone energy devices, and read about cemenite also. Very interesting stuff. Specially about the vegetables growing so much bigger. If the Pot growers knew about that, they would all change over to that way, and utilize that method for growth improvement.

Possibly since I sleep in a pyramid, any environmental affects or moon effects may also affect me, positively as well as negatively. As I spend 1/3 of my life inside that Cosmic Antenna.

I see that what Bc is mentioning about connecting the Jt type device to the cement batteries is probably the way to go. But only if each battery puts out at least 5 mAs, which mine don't after a while. My older beach sand batteries are also hardily putting out any current at all, although will still light an led or two when two are connect in series. And the newer ones are working just like a capacitor, starting out nice and strong but becoming weak after a while once connected. I tried connecting them all (6) in series, as well as in parallel, but that does not help, as there seams to be too much resistance or loss between them to link more than two or three of them together like that. Again, the weakest ones will also limit the flow through the rest of them. Some other guys have had some luck with that though. I still want to place the cone coil inverted through itself inside the can, as the last try, if that doesn't work I'll give it up, at least with using sand. They are still the only "free light" I have made yet.
I also tried to connect them to the secondary of my strongest Jtc, that has a pot, but a single led only lights for a few seconds before going out. I can light 3 or more leds directly connected to the cans, but again, they don't last very long lighting brightly that way. A bit frustrating so far.
Yesterday was the day that Bashar spoke in San Francisco, but there is no new information on that yet, or on the Space Antenna Yahoo Groups site:
YouTube - Bashar - Free Energy Space-Time Antenna with Photos

I can't afford to buy that much thick insulated copper wire just to have the antenna sitting there not doing anything. I'm still hoping that it will work, even though nobody have been able to light even an Led off of it.
Thanks for the info on Russel ideas. He would not have mentioned that the coils "work", if they don't.

[blackchisel97]

Thanks for the pictures sucahyo I had only couple of them. I'm hoping to get that book (Atomic Suicide) which may have more explanation on his experiment. To me Bashar coil is an antenna while Russell's suppose to be the device. We don't know what else is missing from this blueprint but Bashar coil appear to be the exact half of Russell's. Both say it has to be energized. I do believe that it needs DC pulse, not just a wire snap on the coil. Possibly two signals of different freq. It may require relatively small input but it will have to be supplied in continuous matter. It is just the way I suspect. I maybe totally wrong.
Shauberger did read Russel's work. There are also similarities in thinking way in Ed's work and writings. Not to mention the pyramids with their messages engraved on the walls. Male and female energies represented by symbols as well as process of "giving" and "receiving" (or passing on). Russels were way too serious to call up Norad and request forwarding message to the president if it was only a hype. They got it. So did Schauberger, so did Ed. Who's next?
I know that my coils are too small, not because of Bashar description but mere feeling.


Vtech

[Golden Mean]

What if we took the Bashar cone coils and put a bifiliar rodin coil in the around the intersection point. Then pulse one ciruit of the rodin coil as the input frequency and use the other as a pickup circuit after the pulse travels outward and collapses back inward to the intersection. The idea is to use the Bashar cone coil as an electromagnetic amplifier.
This is more of a "brainstorm" idea than based on any particular experience, but it may be worth a shot.

[blackchisel97]

What if we took the Bashar cone coils and put a bifiliar rodin coil in the around the intersection point. Then pulse one ciruit of the rodin coil as the input frequency and use the other as a pickup circuit after the pulse travels outward and collapses back inward to the intersection. The idea is to use the Bashar cone coil as an electromagnetic amplifier.
This is more of a "brainstorm" idea than based on any particular experience, but it may be worth a shot.

Good thinking As you can see on some of my pics with cones I have a Rodin in between or near. I also tried a starship. There is one unknown to me regarding Rodin in such setup; how it should be done? How many deg. apart? 45 - 90 - 105?
Beside, I was imagining Rodin coil as a collector, not the input..but who knows?
I had to leave them alone for couple of days to get my thinking straight but will do some more work and perhaps wind them bigger with more wire.

Thanks for idea
Vtech

[sucahyo]

NickZ, I think cemenite can help reduce moon effect. I think you should make cemenite.

For agriculture, the last time I bury it do not produce bad effect to dragon fruit plant, it still grow new branch. I don't have chance to observe it unfortunately. I bury it for other reason.

Strange event happen just few days after I bury cemenite. Caterpilaar attack happen near the location where I bury cemenite. The caterpilar attack coincindentally never reach the vilage where I bury the cemenite even when the attack spread to some other places in Java Island.
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Caterpillars invasion in Probolinggo, East Java




About cement battery, I still looking for clue about how to make it properly. Hopefully there will be waterless version in the future.


I wonder when Bashar will release information about how to complete the space time antenna.

[NickZ]

I seam to have picked up some kind of virus, and again did not sleep last night, also had a fever. The moon was not the cause, although I do have a problem sleeping on full moon nights.
Sucahyo- yes, we get the same thing with the caterpillars here in Costa Rica, but they usually don't last too long. I reminds me of the locusts in some places that eat everything, sometimes including people, if true. Some of them can sting very hard, and hurts for a long time.
The cement batteries are working better with the inverted coil, much more mAs. I also made a test using only 1/2 of the can and a straight copper tube, and that one only outputs half the voltage and one mA, but still works together with the others to produce a higher output.
Maybe if several of cement batteries are connected together to produce 12 volts, although they drop down in output, they still may produce enough current to power things without dropping to dim level. I'll make some more when I feel better.
The space antenna project reminds me of the many years spent trying to make the TPU work as in the Steven Mark videos. And still no cigar.
I hope this antenna coil will be different, and not so much speculation, or guessing. I keep checking for an update.

[NickZ]

I looks like the Hartley Occillator is the way to go with the cement batteries, as that occillator will work at very low current, which is what these batteries lack the most of. Blackchisel- your circuit sounds like a regular joule thief with pot, and different type of straight air core coil. I tried to make the coil on a ball point pen inside 1/8" tube, but have not got it right yet. I need more of the 30 gauge wire.
The Hartley Occillator mentioned above can run on Micro Amps, and it looks like it feeds-back to the battery, so it can run on an AA for months. There are many versions of it, I'm still looking into it, but it does seam like the way to go, to make the best use of the cement batteries.
This is one version of it:
YouTube - hartley oscillator update.MOV

[NickZ]

Just took a pic of my sand and cement batteries, and I thought I'd pass it along. Just beach sand and cement mostly. The cans with the spiral copper tube and baking powder added will take a charge and hold it for a while.

Guys, have you seen this device (second picture)? But will it fly?

Anybody having any luck with their space antenna project???