Don Smith A review...

[med.3012]

i remember something like that was discussed in this thread :

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...n-details.html


but i didn't followed all the discussion there, the minus of the battery ( or the inverter ) in your drawing have to be connected to the earth , if you are using the main frequency say 50HZ the process of electrostatic induction will not work so good for you... in some country the neutral in electricity company is connected to the earth, the earth ground will let the current to close the loop so you can light a bulb easily.. in some case the power consumption will be small.

i think for this technique to be used successfully we need to follow electrostatic induction rules. one of them using a high frequency, the other is high voltage ( for large power ) and finally using standing waves techniques.

[med.3012]

This is what I'm saying, the work here is the harvest side. Even with the plate setup, they are claiming an order of magnitude power gain, for a load between spark and Earth Ground. NO messing with resonant coupling!

i agree with you, but we have to remember Tesla wireless power transmitter for example,





Tesla was able to excite the upper air of the atmosphere, at this level the earth form a kind of capacitor with the air strata, so it's possible to transfer the electric power across a huge distance without problems, not only that ! the power received is more than the transmitted power ...

there's no spark between the towers... only charge tunneling ! the most simple way to attract electrons and make them doing useful work for you is to make them spin, when this is done you could harvest any amount of electric power ..

[AetherScientist]

This is one of the first Videos I saw too. I just want to point out. That there is no obvious resonance component here.

You simply have Battery > DC Pulse HV Exciter Source > Spark > Anode Plate > Dielectric > Cathode Plate > Spark > Earth Ground.

But I think the exciter wand can be considered a tesla coil device at 8KV?
The main question is how do you drive a 3HP Motor at above 3K RPMs at 20ma (8KV*.02A = 160VA)? When it should take about 1700 Watts (Estimated by 3 HP SPL 3450 RPM U56 Frame 115/230V Air Compressor Motor - Century # B383)?

This is what I'm saying, the work here is the harvest side. Even with the plate setup, they are claiming an order of magnitude power gain, for a load between spark and Earth Ground. NO messing with resonant coupling!

About resonance I started a thread in another forum and I discussed it. There are different things to have in mind when designing those circuits (resonance, coupling, kind of coupling, etc...). I think there is not resonance between any capacitor plate, but I don't know if there is some specific case where you have resonance between capacitor plates.

The exciter I used to replicate that experiment of Smith, was the output of a car's ignition coil. You only need to use the high voltage single wire (don't use the positive or negative of the L1) to excite the transmitter capacitor plate. Then put a dielectric and then the receiver capacitor plate. I didn't use any ground to power the AV plug. Even you can use the output of the L2 Tesla's coil to perform the same experiment. Some people tells that you cannot do anything with the high voltage Tesla's output or the high voltage car's ignition coil. But you can perform work even to light an incandescent light bulb with that single wire high voltage.

The main question is how do you drive a 3HP Motor at above 3K RPMs at 20ma (8KV*.02A = 160VA)? When it should take about 1700 Watts (Estimated by 3 HP SPL 3450 RPM U56 Frame 115/230V Air Compressor Motor - Century # B383)?

That is one question that I asked to some people. How it is possible to light incandescent bulbs using 8Kv 2uF capacitor bank?
With 2 uF is hard to light a simple 25 watt bulb. Imagine about 10 x 50 watt (or more), light bulbs. I don't have a definitive answer to that question but I think it's related with frequency. Higher the frequency, higher the amount of energy to use. Smith explains that using 50-60 hertz you can get only about 10 watts of power. Higher the frequency = higher the energy. Also higher the voltage = higher the energy. In Smith's circuit you're not obtaining energy directly from the caps. You're obtaining energy directly from the LC tank. That means that you're also getting the energy from the coil (the L2) and not only from the caps. So you're getting energy from capacitors and coils, that means the LC tank. We're used to see DC charging the capacitor, disconnecting the DC and feeding a load with the cap. Here is different. You use capacitors, but you don't use the same concept.
For that reason I said to build very simple circuits to start understanding basic concepts. Smith's system has a lot of unknow parameters. Not a few ones.

Talking again about resonance, there are several cases too. There are different kinds of couplings, different parameters, etc... It's not just EM coupling between L1 and L2. There is much more.

[AetherScientist]

i remember something like that was discussed in this thread :

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...n-details.html


but i didn't followed all the discussion there, the minus of the battery ( or the inverter ) in your drawing have to be connected to the earth , if you are using the main frequency say 50HZ the process of electrostatic induction will not work so good for you... in some country the neutral in electricity company is connected to the earth, the earth ground will let the current to close the loop so you can light a bulb easily.. in some case the power consumption will be small.

i think for this technique to be used successfully we need to follow electrostatic induction rules. one of them using a high frequency, the other is high voltage ( for large power ) and finally using standing waves techniques.

It's needed to perform a lot of simple hard work to better understand the concepts. Then we can add difficult more and more. But starting from zero with the most complex systems (without asking the most simple questions) I think is a way or working very inefficient.

I know you're working on your device and you've extracted a lot of useful information. That is very good. But as you know people try to start with the most complex systems.

[med.3012]

It's needed to perform a lot of simple hard work to better understand the concepts. Then we can add difficult more and more. But starting from zero with the most complex systems (without asking the most simple questions) I think is a way or working very inefficient.

I know you're working on your device and you've extracted a lot of useful information. That is very good. But as you know people try to start with the most complex systems.

as you said before it's very hard for someone to do all the work... i published this drawing in my document www.free-energy-info.com/Mohamed.pdf




the E-TBC is able to make a reference voltage proportional to its length using the induced rotating electric field, this field need a kind of capacitive side to create this reference voltage one of Don smith puzzle is solved now, the question is why we use a proportional length between L1 and L2, the reply is given, the other problem is attracting ambient electrons with radio frequency speed ? because we have now this capacitive side inside the E-TBC this device will do this in radio frequency speed ...

another puzzle is electrons spin ok let's take a simple schematic : the following proposed circuit was published in my thread a long time ago :




just remove the green part and place an E-TBC the device will oscillate as its equipped with ordinary parallel L/C tank circuit the following is the scope graph from different E-TBC and you can see the frequency !!!



now how the E-TBC can oscillate even the capacitor don't exist as we know it ??? there's an exchange of electron spin inside this device.. sometimes they spin to make the capacitor ( electric field ) sometimes they spin to make the coil ( magnetic field ) even it's not that simple but finally it's a very simple experiments ...

[AetherScientist]

med.3012
I don't like to answer you without reading carefully all the information you show. As you know, it takes time and I have to answer you other posts from this thread that I still have not answered yet.

So I take note and I will read all the information because you're showing really valuable points. It will take time because I am doing different things at the same time that take too much time.

To start with, I have to finish reading your pdf file. I started about 1 week ago and I haven't finished it yet. I also have some interesting information to show you, but I have to record videos or to write some documents.

As you know, it takes too much time for only one person and I am also studying other fields that are difficult too.

[AetherScientist]

Obtaining energy with LC tank from ambient oscillations

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOkkF4pr23s[/VIDEO]

[med.3012]

med.3012
I don't like to answer you without reading carefully all the information you show. As you know, it takes time and I have to answer you other posts from this thread that I still have not answered yet.

So I take note and I will read all the information because you're showing really valuable points. It will take time because I am doing different things at the same time that take too much time.

To start with, I have to finish reading your pdf file. I started about 1 week ago and I haven't finished it yet. I also have some interesting information to show you, but I have to record videos or to write some documents.

As you know, it takes too much time for only one person and I am also studying other fields that are difficult too.

ok i understand now i will show any interesting progress.

[med.3012]

Obtaining energy with LC tank from ambient oscillations

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOkkF4pr23s[/VIDEO]

interesting video ! thanks .

[ilandtan]

i agree with you, but we have to remember Tesla wireless power transmitter for example,


Image of two Wardenclyffe type transmitters

Tesla was able to excite the upper air of the atmosphere, at this level the earth form a kind of capacitor with the air strata, so it's possible to transfer the electric power across a huge distance without problems, not only that ! the power received is more than the transmitted power ...

there's no spark between the towers... only charge tunneling ! the most simple way to attract electrons and make them doing useful work for you is to make them spin, when this is done you could harvest any amount of electric power ..

I agree no spark between the towers... They are transmitters. Receivers would be a home with a tuned receiver, a car, a plane. The spark I am referring to is either on the primary and optional spark in the secondary of the transmitter. After 1897 a spark was not required in the L2 because Tesla started using the slow wave helical resonator, the extra coil:Corum. Spark in the receiver was rare in the circuits I've seen and maybe limiters? Spark in the primary of the video was important because it is an electron avalanche. By definition, a spark is over unity because it causes free electrons to flow. You have gain at the spark on both sides on the plate cap, and the ambient is contributing through the casimir effect according to DS.

Didn't Wardenclyffe use spark gap in the primary? Tesla coils always used spark gaps did they not? So when I view the Tesla coil circuit, I am looking for a spark gap outside a parallel tank of L1. The Frequency of the tank oscillation will be, when the spark gap is firing generously because at resonance the tank circuit should look like a infinite resistance. The magnetic field in the L1 tank contracting/expanding to a resonant frequency, the spark gap will be discharging at intervals in sync with that frequency (but I don't think it is every-time) It is the push of the swing, maintaining the pressure of the L1, and that's why it needs to be pulsed DC not AC on the primary.

So let me depart from known to my brand of special bus speculation:

I think Tesla knew when he created a RF Tesla transmitter and receiver pair, there was over unity. This would have to be why Don Smith's first experiment was:



Single transmitter, multiple receivers capturing the radiant energy with no degradation. You don't need a Wardenclyffe transmitter. Don Smith sold for 50 bucks a kit that would light a 60W bulb with miliamps of radiated energy.

It seems that in the Don Smith recipe there are some key ingredients:

• Electromagnetic Disturbance of the Ambient using HV (pulsed DC)
• Magnetic NOT Electrical Resonance
• RF band of operation preferably above 20K

It would seem Don Smith played by the same rules Tesla had set. Tesla was Don's predecessor so of course, and in the early 1900's you couldn't buy a plasma ball or order a Tesla coil off eBay. Because of Tesla's limitations, his answer was NOT to give the transmitter technology to every man, he would just need to propagate receivers. Or incorporate them into new devices.

Tesla did have to build a large enough transmitter, and he didn't want to pay for the power to generate what he needed to transmit, so he used his earthquake resonance experience to create standing waves using the earth as a cavity to pump his extra coil. We don't need to do that, because Joe Shmo can build 19th century circuits.

We just don't know how to harvest it. --BTW that trick of using earth ground cage thingy worked (not expected).

[ilandtan]

Magnetic Resonance is a Vector

I was out of my depth, couldn't describe it so I intuitively threw out the big word vector to describe the magnetic component... and lookie I have no idea what it means.

Encyclopedia Britannica: Nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) of protons was first observed in the United States in 1946 by Felix Bloch, William W. Hansen, and Martin E. Packard and independently by Edward M. Purcell, Robert V. Pound, and Henry C. Torrey. Scientists soon observed NMR in practically all the stable nuclei with nuclear moments greater than zero (about 100 species). Later discoveries with NMR included electric quadrupole effects; an important shift of NMR frequencies in metals; and the splitting of energy levels in liquids resulting from variations in chemical structure and the influence of one nuclear spin on another.

A particle of matter that is spinning about its own axis or moving in an orbit around some external point acts like a gyroscope: it resists forces that tend to change its state of motion. The measure of this resistance is the mechanical angular momentum, which depends on the mass of the particle, its size or that of its orbit, and the angular velocity (the number of revolutions per unit time). The angular momentum is represented by a vector directed along the axis of rotation. An electric charge in such motion creates a magnetic field with strength and direction represented by a magnetic vector denoted μ. This vector, which is proportional to the magnitude of the charge (instead of the mass of a particle), measures the tendency of the charge’s axis of rotation to align itself in the direction of an external magnetic field. The motion of a particle that has both mass and charge is characterized by both of these vectors, which will be collinear but may be oppositely directed, depending on the sign of the charge.

[AetherScientist]

interesting video ! thanks .

That video shows the basic principle I was speaking about. Exciting the ambient and then absorbing ambient energy with a circuit, in this case the circuit is a LC tank circuit.

[AetherScientist]

I was out of my depth, couldn't describe it so I intuitively threw out the big word vector to describe the magnetic component... and lookie I have no idea what it means.

Thanks for the explanation. I see space energy like a spring that is in equilibirum (relaxed, not excited)


You have 2 option when you want to excite (put out of equilibrium that spring). The first option is to compress it, when you stop it returns to the relaxed condition. The second option is to expand it, when you stop expanding it returns to the relaxed condition.

Induced compression


Induced expansion



As you can see when you stop the induced action, the elastic spring returns to the relaxed condition. In electricity is the same, when you produce a force in the space you're exciting. When you stop that force the space energy returns to equilibrium and you can absorb that energy.

[AetherScientist]

Don Smith sold for 50 bucks a kit that would light a 60W bulb with miliamps of radiated energy.

Where did you read that?

[AetherScientist]

I don't fully understand some questions about that device

1. Why not using the ends of the receivers? if you look at the receivers, there are wires connected NOT in the ends of the coil. Why?
2. What is the component that appears in all the receivers? a variable... capacitor?
3. What is the other component that also appears in all the receivers? it's a small black encapsulated component