Don't Kill Dipole

[Rebus57]

Late response for Suchayo

Suchayo, sorry for the delay in response. My houseboat project is bigger job than expected, large sections of wall's turned to compost too many hrs in last two days and more to come I don't like this fiberglass stuff wish I did not have to work and could tinker all day. Now your question, the output frequency and voltage stability is dependent upon the trigger circuit design and stability. If the trigger circuit is designed properly a very close tolerance can be maintained on freq and voltage. Note the schematic, there is no trigger/control circuit drawn. This circuit is dependent upon device final design criteria. If used for stationary power circuit must maintain a stable 50/60 Hz output to trigger tube's just like the modern day DC to AC inverters. If used to run a motor the circuit will have a variable frequency output to trigger tube's. It could even be used to run wide open like DC by eliminating the trigger tubes all together and letting triggers in output tubes be fed by their bottoming resistors" horizontal resistors near bottom of schematic, I believe this is how Moray's worked", during time trigger tube is cutoff output tube trigger voltage must not be allowed to go to zero or output tube will stop putting out because of no potential to work against so bottom end trigger voltage must be in the order of 200 to 300 volts. Of course in the like DC mode it will not be pure, their will always be an underlying sub harmonic of the headwaters frequency in there. It is my belief that Tesla's motor was a convential style 120 volt single phase motor with high voltage insulation +2000v windings. Remember as far as we know no one that we know of has made this work, I has of yet have not, this is just the theory as I see it, I am NOT the worlds authority on this subject but I have never seen any theories along this line and just wanted to share them with everyone in the hope that someone will benefit from it somehow. This stuff is by no means "carved in stone" and open to change. Also things like safety spark gaps and trigger/control circuits were omitted for simplicity of explination, so it is far from complete. As for using it to run a generator for a more stable output shure this would be possible but in the spirit of Tesla I am trying to design mine as simple as possible meaning no moving parts no visible spark to consume electrodes, you can design yours to perform to your specifications for your needs. Like I say I am real sure of the base theory but as for the hardware to get there, there are most likley many diffrent designs that will work. Hope that does it for this time. Thank's for your interest, Rebus.

[Slovenia]

Trigger Circuit

Great to have you back Rebus57. I was wondering where that trigger circuit was.

Your take on this Tesla stuff is all very interesting indeed. Thanks for sharing it. I'm sitting on the edge of my seat in anticipation. You've got me studying like crazy.

Note the schematic, there is no trigger/control circuit drawn. This circuit is dependent upon device final design criteria..

[Jbignes5]

Statics and the conversion of...

I was wondering if we could start looking into methods of converting pure static charge into a voltage potential. I didn't think this was possible but it just might be we have been sitting on it the whole time. The spark gap! I think this is the unifying method to convert static potential into real charge that can be used like our voltage in electronics. Of course we would have to separate the capacitor completely from the leyden jar. Although they look like the same concept they are very different.

Leyden jars are designed to hold a static charge inside a statically shielded vessel. This static charge does not behave the same as a Voltage potential does. A static charge clings to a surface. It is merely a thin layer of charge condensed on this surface. Although we can deposit and remove charges via friction it is not necessary to do so to get it to influence other bodies and their charge state. When I say condensed I mean that as a body moves through our space it develops a condensation or attraction of free charges in the ambient environment to move to the body moving through that space via the bodies own charge state when compared to the ambient environment. Whew that was a big statement.

Capacitors work in somewhat the same method but it has more to do with surface area then anything else like room to hold a charge. I believe that the capacitor has an ability to change or rectify the static into real power by raising the base potential value of the plates in a capacitor in effect giving you more punch on the output. In the case of a capacitor the static converter would be the dielectric itself. So in effect this would raise the base value of charge via the dielectric and not the plates. Although the plates can be used to pick up this potential difference, it is converted through the plates contact with the dielectric surface. This capacitance method is only capable of converting small amounts of static but it should be noted that there is a combination that could be used to facilitate a huge difference in the output when capacitors are used in conjunction with spark gaps.

Spark gaps are really only closely placed antennas that can directly interact with the environment to involve more real charges into our systems. These real charges are what we attract to our normally operated electronics and consequently pull into our systems to use as a flow. We have always used these charges and thought we were actually containing these charges within our systems. We have not been containing the charges at all and failed to look outside of our box for the answer. If we started to look at our environment as a seething writhing mass of charges we would understand that we are just focusing and orienting the charges to do our bidding just by either providing or maintaining a potential for the attraction and control of those charges.

Just how hard is it for man to understand that our ancient people knew more about this world because they did not have to know very complex calculations to be able to figure this stuff out. With geometry being the exception to that rule but geometry was all around us so figuring that out wouldn't have been too hard.

Lets look at the Bagdad battery for instance. Most think that these were used as a battery of normal construction but what if they were just merely static leyden jars? The inside was the container for white powdered gold and an oil was used as the dielectric with the pottery being the outside conductor so to speak.

Now this changes the whole premise of what we are looking at.

[lamare]

Still, the coils are inductively coupled, so the magnetic flux inside is more or less equal. So, under certain conditions the currents going trough the coils are also equal and therefore it should be possible to make use of this. However, I have to give this more thought, that's for sure. With the canary circuit, you also get a problem with the DC component cause by the bias of the transistor.

Did some Spice simulations with the canary circuit and some variations:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

Found an interesting detail in how the current flows trough a circuit like this. See attachment.

[Farmhand]

Hi Jbignes5,

I was wondering if we could start looking into methods of converting pure static charge into a voltage potential.

I also think that we need to find a suitable method to do that, I think this could be very usefull for a number of different collection methods or different devices for generating or collecting static charges.

Does a normal tv antenna collect static charges ? Is that what causes my tv to have bad reception when it's windy ? If yes what does normally happen to these static charges ? Can I collect static from my tv antenna ?

Actually I should try to find out for myself, but how do i know if the info I find on the net elsewhere I correct. It is hard to know.

Maybe it's been mentioned elsewhere and iv'e missed it.

Anyhow I like your thoughts direction Jbignes5.

Cheers

Whats the easiest and most effective way to make a small layden jar for experimenting with possible sources of static, I made one from a glass jar with aluminium wrapped around the outside and steel wool inside with a central electrode (bolt) protruding through the lid of the jar but it doesn't seem to work so good it may be too large for the amount of static available I think. Should I try a different way with two copper cylinders inside each other and glass between ?

[7imix]

Did some Spice simulations with the canary circuit and some variations:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

Found an interesting detail in how the current flows trough a circuit like this. See attachment.

I built the canary and took some scope shots. I then removed the capacitor you suggested and took some more scope shots.

YouTube - Electronic canary

Thanks for pointing out this circuit, lamare!

[sucahyo]

ran across this searching coils. They where talking about ether waves. and with the coils and tubes looked different. The box with the tubes sticking out and coils made me think Tesla.
Construction of Keppinger Design Vacuum Tube Style Theremin.

The 90 degree angle is interesting. Some believe interaction of tempic field require those.

Now your question, the output frequency and voltage stability is dependent upon the trigger circuit design and stability. If the trigger circuit is designed properly a very close tolerance can be maintained on freq and voltage.

I thought your circuit use spark gap? And spark gap is naturally unstable?

John Bedini at agricultural section mention that the output energy may also have relation with sun position.

Don't worry with the delay .

If used for stationary power circuit must maintain a stable 50/60 Hz output to trigger tube's just like the modern day DC to AC inverters.

Sine wave? If you never try digital, can you try my stingo? because I believe my circuit is the only circuit that utilize coil spike to switch transistor.

I believe this is how Moray's worked", during time trigger tube is cutoff output tube trigger voltage must not be allowed to go to zero or output tube will stop putting out because of no potential to work against so bottom end trigger voltage must be in the order of 200 to 300 volts.

Digital but with positive offset?

I Leyden jars are designed to hold a static charge inside a statically shielded vessel.

There are many hints that suggest a leyden jar can store not just normal electricity but other type of energy too.

[boguslaw]

Hi Jbignes5,



I also think that we need to find a suitable method to do that, I think this could be very usefull for a number of different collection methods or different devices for generating or collecting static charges.

Does a normal tv antenna collect static charges ? Is that what causes my tv to have bad reception when it's windy ? If yes what does normally happen to these static charges ? Can I collect static from my tv antenna ?

Actually I should try to find out for myself, but how do i know if the info I find on the net elsewhere I correct. It is hard to know.

Maybe it's been mentioned elsewhere and iv'e missed it.

Anyhow I like your thoughts direction Jbignes5.

Cheers

Whats the easiest and most effective way to make a small layden jar for experimenting with possible sources of static, I made one from a glass jar with aluminium wrapped around the outside and steel wool inside with a central electrode (bolt) protruding through the lid of the jar but it doesn't seem to work so good it may be too large for the amount of static available I think. Should I try a different way with two copper cylinders inside each other and glass between ?

Nice think think think

The Avramenko's experiment

[boguslaw]

The 90 degree angle is interesting. Some believe interaction of tempic field require those.

I thought your circuit use spark gap? And spark gap is naturally unstable?

John Bedini at agricultural section mention that the output energy may also have relation with sun position.

Don't worry with the delay .

Sine wave? If you never try digital, can you try my stingo? because I believe my circuit is the only circuit that utilize coil spike to switch transistor.

Digital but with positive offset?

There are many hints that suggest a leyden jar can store not just normal electricity but other type of energy too.

Theory only :
Every capacitor store electric field nothing more, charges cling to the field where they cannot pass further so it appear that they are what capacitor store, and our method of charging is the worst because we force charges to accumulate at plates which require energy lost to push them and they are the source of electric field inside capacitor.That's my theory

[Jbignes5]

Theory only :
Every capacitor store electric field nothing more, charges cling to the field where they cannot pass further so it appear that they are what capacitor store, and our method of charging is the worst because we force charges to accumulate at plates which require energy lost to push them and they are the source of electric field inside capacitor.That's my theory

Very good.. Leyden jars/capacitors do the job of conversion in conjunction with a spark gap. The problem with most is that they don't use them in a condenser type setup and use them as a tank instead.

Like I said before capacitors have a dual function. One of collecting and another of converting. As a collector it is self evident but as a converter we have barely touched on that. The conversion process must also include a way for static to mix with real charges from an outside source. Usually this needs an antenna or inlet of the charges.

As for the leyden jars those are very easy to make. Glass jar like a mason jar. Foil around that with an oil inside. Center electrode isolated from the outside foil and walla. In my perfect version of the leyden jar I would use white powder of gold around an electrode going into that. Of course that would have to have a small glass or dielectric container for the center powder and electrode.

I am fully convinced that some forms of silicon has the ability to convert some of this energy as well.

[cikljamas]

Is there somewhere kind of a detailed plan for doing this thing (pictures in post 1444):
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ecrets-49.html

and this thing to :
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1287844563

[Slovenia]

Great Principles

There are some great principles to be learned if you study the summary on the Project X Drawing from Rebus57. Just magnify it up so you can read it and I think you'll have to agree that it's a great read.

[Aromaz]

Do not destroy the Dipole . . .

What we have to begin considering is the real value of creating energy (electricity) without destroying the dipole. In other words: Would it be possible to generate an electro-magnetic force whout having the POS and NEG balancing/neutralizing/destroy?

What if we swop the word POTENTIAL with TENSION. If by some means we can create TENSION in two objects, then we will have a 'field' of tension around them and we can tap into that field; thus NOT ever destroying the tension that created and maintain the field.

In example; certain minerals (i.e. quarts, tourmaline) creates an EM field when placed under presure - tension.

[sucahyo]

In other words: Would it be possible to generate an electro-magnetic force whout having the POS and NEG balancing/neutralizing/destroy?

It is possible if we believe there are other energy that is not electro-magnetic.

For instance, some believe that this other energy also exist on a battery. If we can convert this energy into the electricity we can build a big battery without the need to use the battery current and only utilize the other energy.

Edit: this other energy also exist on crystal.

Unfortunately there is no complete instruction on how to build a device that can convert this other energy into electricity. Hint can be seen on Paulo Correa work. People who do experiment with tensor energy has obtain tensor generation without power but still can not convert it to electricity. Alex Sciffer mention excees of other energy being converted to electricity, but that require hard to replicate joe cell.

Anyone researching this other energy will have to make their own road.

[Rebus57]

Visible vs Invisible

During Tesla's Colorado Springs time he was peforming experiment's with very high voltage a million+ volts and his visible spark gap wasn't getting it done. After a few minutes operation they would errode away, get wider due to erosion and make the circuit unstable. He found a solution, he placed on the floor a flat metal plate and connected this to one side of the spark gap, he hung from the rafter's "some distance from the plate" two 20in dia metal sphere's and connected them to the other side of the spark gap, the circuit was "set into motion" as he puts it and height adjusted on sphere's until proper parameter's of circuit were observed. This setup was reported to work with high stability for hours on end, he said there was no visible spark only transfer of electron's sufficent to allow circuit to function normally. This is how I see cc and output tube's designed, sufficent volume of transfer prevent's the unstable visible spark, the larger volume transfer is a much more even flow compared to more concentrated smaller visible spark.