Don't Kill Dipole

[dragon]

Sounds closely related to Dr. Stifflers Sgate......
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[dragon]

It seems to me it would be much more efficient finding a way not to use a sparkgap system. While experimenting with the smith unit as well as a passive oscillator, charging large caps to 6kv and higher, I found the spark gap could be removed and replaced by plates. There was no visible sparks but you could hear an auditable crackling, like wrinkling plastic saran wrap. Just like a spark gap but far enough appart where it couldn't make the jump and with enough area on the plates for the exchange to take place.

The passive oscillator worked very well and would run for up to 17 hours, unfortunately any attempt I made at the time to extract anything useable from it resulted in failure. I learned from it and moved on. Now I can see another use for it...

I built Rebus57's output circuit to test the theory. I used 2 matched Sgates and only high resistance on the bottom of the circuit. The input was from a FG at 1mhz and the load was 2 LED's on AV plugs with the grounds attatched between them. Manually switching the ends, essentially removing the resistance on one side, did indeed create a potential difference between the lines. The LED's were more of a detector than a load but it proved it does work as one LED would extinguish or become extreemly dim the other would be full bright. A very fun and enlightening experiment.
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[Slovenia]

Rebus57 Stuff

I started a new thread for the Rebus57 stuff. Please check it out if you like.

[sucahyo]

This setup was reported to work with high stability for hours on end, he said there was no visible spark only transfer of electron's sufficent to allow circuit to function normally.

You are using non spiky spark gap then? I wonder if tesla tune it with sound?

[Jbignes5]

Hmm

"Jbignes5,

I don't like this cheap shot at our new friend Rebus57. It's unnecessary and unfriendly.

Best Regards,
Slovenia"

Explain the cheap shot. My comment was to point him in the right direction not to do any sort of shot twords Rebus...

Listen guys I will try to elate why the spark gap is very important to this method. Once you have a potential only you need to mix it with the real charges in the environment. That is why Tesla used the spark gaps. Also he used them as a timing method that could get him to where he needed to be in frequency. So we have 2 problems taken cared of by the gap.

This has always been the problem as of late. OOO spark gaps are soo boring but it is a part of the method to convert these energies, like it or not. We need the interaction of the environment in these systems because they rely on that interaction. If you get rid of the gap you need to provide a way for the potential to realize it's true power. Another method would be an antenna system but I have been having problems getting the antenna system to operate without the spark gap. It seems to be a fundamental component and relies heavily on that.

And now for something completely different:

This post I was answering but somehow got taken out of context. Let me try this again:

"During Tesla's Colorado Springs time he was peforming experiment's with very high voltage a million+ volts and his visible spark gap wasn't getting it done. After a few minutes operation they would errode away, get wider due to erosion and make the circuit unstable. He found a solution, he placed on the floor a flat metal plate and connected this to one side of the spark gap, he hung from the rafter's "some distance from the plate" two 20in dia metal sphere's and connected them to the other side of the spark gap, the circuit was "set into motion" as he puts it and height adjusted on sphere's until proper parameter's of circuit were observed. This setup was reported to work with high stability for hours on end, he said there was no visible spark only transfer of electron's sufficent to allow circuit to function normally. This is how I see cc and output tube's designed, sufficent volume of transfer prevent's the unstable visible spark, the larger volume transfer is a much more even flow compared to more concentrated smaller visible spark."

The problem with electrode degradation was answered by Tesla in his earlier experiments. He used Multiple spark gaps that were set much closer. It would allow the spark to happen but it would be shared among a great many contacts lessening the destruction of the electrodes and making the spark gap much quieter. Obviously Rebus must have missed this since he has read on the Colorado Springs experiments. My attempt to point out this overlook and refocus him to reading more about that was taken as rather rude. Hmmm I apologize if that was the case it was not meant that way. I was kinda taken aback that Rebus who seems to be well read on Tesla would not know something as simple as the different spark gaps that Tesla did use and improved.

So here is the link of the different spark gaps and their uses:

"Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency"

Figures 5 & 6 are the spark gaps that Tesla suggested.

[Slovenia]

I like you Jbignes5

Jbignes5,

It's clear that Rebus57 has a background in Tesla related stuff too. I want him to keep sharing with all of us here. Your post comes across a little arrogant like he's and idiot and you are a smarter guy. That's just how it came across to me, kind of a brow beat sort of deal. I like you and I like what you have shared with us. It seems that we are all going different directions and that is okay too. I was naive and thought maybe we could share as a team but maybe that won't work after all.

Jbignes5, I know you are a very smart well read guy and I do respect that very much. There are many lazy guys in the world and you are not one of them.

What you were mentioning in your post probably had some relevance but it was the way you said it that it came out like a put down to Rebus57. It's complicated working together because we are all so different.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[Jbignes5]

Well why not take it in the spirit it was intended.

Jbignes5,

It's clear that Rebus57 has a background in Tesla related stuff too. I want him to keep sharing with all of us here. Your post comes across a little arrogant like he's and idiot and you are a smarter guy. That's just how it came across to me, kind of a brow beat sort of deal. I like you and I like what you have shared with us. It seems that we are all going different directions and that is okay too. I was naive and thought maybe we could share as a team but maybe that won't work after all.

Jbignes5, I know you are a very smart well read guy and I do respect that very much. There are many lazy guys in the world and you are not one of them.

What you were mentioning in your post probably had some relevance but it was the way you said it that it came out like a put down to Rebus57. It's complicated working together because we are all so different.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

So My post got removed and now I can not see your side of this. Like I said it caught me off guard that he would not know this subject seeing that Tesla was just about totally about the spark gap. He went to great lengths to show how one could improve it so that he could deal with the kind of frequencies that he thought were related to the natural energy we are seeking.

On the subject of not agreeing, you will always have that and if played out thats where the real meat of this pans out. Meaning we get more from seeing the outcome of the disagreement.

Obviously I was misinformed to his extent of education in the area of Tesla and Tesla related devices. I did not intend to bash him but when someone tells you that the person is well versed and studied vast amount of Tesla stuff you take it for granted. I reacted the way I did because it is not true what he said. Yes Tesla did the experiment of capacitance, surface area and how it affects the spark gap even in the extreme cases but he used that to figure out a better way to setup the gap so that it would be less destructive to the components of that gap.

I gave complete references to these writings that tell how to deal with this all along in this thread. It wouldn't take long to read back and get caught up in the direction we were heading.

[FrancLand]

Hi everybody and Slovenia !

In relation to pierce arrow car , does it would exist a kind of relation with circuit
and motor of E. Gray , especially with tube of conversion and his driving system
(switcher - rectifier and anode triger) ?
Thanks.
@bye

[sucahyo]

Jbignes5 and everyone, I believe that we can have different understanding of what Tesla actually doing. This different understanding may lead to different way of achieving thing.

Spark for instance, I think that the driver to generate that spark is also important, more important than the spark gap. One thing I trying to achieve is suddenness. And I notice that this suddenness produce different result.

I also consider what Tesla use as something that is not electric and magnetic. So effort to convert it to usable energy is important. I think the key to replicate Tesla arrow circuit or Grey is the understanding of it.

Notice that Tesla can implement his coil for health application. If you can not or even experiencing headache or other illness then you are going to the wrong direction.

[FrancLand]

Otherwise ,there is theJean Zoltazn Szili that I not tested ! :

instructions here at rexreasearch :
Jean Szili -- Zero Point Energy extraction circuit

or there is also that a system that consume no charges but the dc-dc step-up transformer for the solid state model feel me no possible (only in theory):
Free Energy Plans (pdf document) free file download at fliiby.com

[FrancLand]

Jbignes5 and everyone, I believe that we can have different understanding of what Tesla actually doing. This different understanding may lead to different way of achieving thing.

Spark for instance, I think that the driver to generate that spark is also important, more important than the spark gap. One thing I trying to achieve is suddenness. And I notice that this suddenness produce different result.

I also consider what Tesla use as something that is not electric and magnetic. So effort to convert it to usable energy is important. I think the key to replicate Tesla arrow circuit or Grey is the understanding of it.

Notice that Tesla can implement his coil for health application. If you can not or even experiencing headache or other illness then you are going to the wrong direction.

To extract energy from a system , the latter need to receive " slaps " ,that is to say
voltage must be like this (theory) for example : [0V-30 000V] - . . . - [0V-30 000V] - with a rise time -> 0 s !

Same with low voltage 130V
It is again possible we just need to give electric slaps (rise time go away to
0 seconds )

Gray circuit feel me a good idea to start replica to prove overunity (?)

[sebosfato]

Otherwise ,there is theJean Zoltazn Szili that I not tested ! :

instructions here at rexreasearch :
Jean Szili -- Zero Point Energy extraction circuit

or there is also that a system that consume no charges but the dc-dc step-up transformer for the solid state model feel me no possible (only in theory):
Free Energy Plans (pdf document) free file download at fliiby.com

If you think this is over unity, now use an rms meter, instead of a peak meter.

You can of course use low ma during charging and than discharge it all in once... is not over unity, my friend..

A resonant tank can also circulate many kw of power burning capacitors and inductors with as little as 100w... and is not over unity, is just accumulated power...

In the case of this circuit you are charging the inductor thru a resistor and discharging on the other. the discharge time constant is dictated by L/R thus the lower the resistance the bigger the time constant and vice versa thus if you charge the inductor for 10ns and discharge it in 1ns you get a peak 10x bigger, however is a peak.


wish i was wrong, if i'm, please prove me wrong..

Regards

[FrancLand]

wish i was wrong, if i'm, please prove me wrong..

Hi sebosfato : I do not know for the answer but you can ask to author at this
e-mail : p_baril@sympatico.ca

sucahyo ,I understand you :there is two system actualy to give the slaps we need to
extract radiant energy !:
1. to use bemf with Electromagnetic induction from motor for example .
2. spark from HV with capacitor(s).
(Radiant energy can be used like it or converted in coulomb charges flow .

But to answer to topic - do not kill dipole -
Why do not use degenerate semiconducter like the fogal transistor
us patent (by google patents) :
-5 196 809 High gain low distortion faster switching transistor
-5 430 413 High gain low distortion faster switching transistor
This is the answer to Slovenia problem because no charge flows throw circuit just radiant energy !
But perhaps it is not again on the market ?!

[sebosfato]

Hi sebosfato : I do not know for the answer but you can ask to author at this
e-mail : p_baril@sympatico.ca

sucahyo ,I understand you :there is two system actualy to give the slaps we need to
extract radiant energy !:
1. to use bemf with Electromagnetic induction from motor for example .
2. spark from HV with capacitor(s).
(Radiant energy can be used like it or converted in coulomb charges flow .

But to answer to topic - do not kill dipole -
Why do not use degenerate semiconducter like the fogal transistor
us patent (by google patents) :
-5 196 809 High gain low distortion faster switching transistor
-5 430 413 High gain low distortion faster switching transistor
This is the answer to Slovenia problem because no charge flows throw circuit just radiant energy !
But perhaps it is not again on the market ?!

hi francland,

i however think that this is part of what is need to be understood when you want to create over unity.

Maybe if you could discharge really fast you would use the potential like a shock wave and the dipole would not be able to discharge. Probably concentrating the energy in a small time. Well just a thought.

Another thing to consider is that when you raise the frequency you raise the energy. so if by any mean we make an oscillatory circuit to abruptly change frequency during operation while not dissipating the energy this energy would become greater somehow. Tesla investigated about this in 1892.

i was considering to make an oscillation tank witch is have non linear energy handling. In the sense that when the capacitor reach 0 volts instead of reversing polarity and charge, it will by action of coupled inductor and diodes and switch means therefore, charge again with the same polarity,while keeping the current and voltage phase difference. I was thinking that i will also try discharging the other half of the charge that supposed to go to the capacitor on the same core during this second cycle governed by bifilar coil and diode action coupled in the same core. I expect this to cause a kind of magnetization of the core to a higher degree, as per inductors meant for inertia and thus current want to keep going in one direction.

What i want to achieve is what i would call an inductive battery. That can keep its charge without being energized for a small period of time at least.

This in my opinion would allow to extract energy some how of permanent magnetic fields..

if a charge could be accelerated in a magnetic field, a magnet and a spark gap could lead to increase in energy of the current, however if the impedance keeps the same this increase in (velocity) would lead only to heat and destruction of the spark gap, but if the voltage and current are not in phase you can use this to raise the voltage. Witch is what i think that tesla was doing. like the photoelectric effect but using only high voltage.

I would recommend you to read paul brown atomic battery resonance. Is of great worth.

[Jbignes5]

hi francland,

i however think that this is part of what is need to be understood when you want to create over unity.

Maybe if you could discharge really fast you would use the potential like a shock wave and the dipole would not be able to discharge. Probably concentrating the energy in a small time. Well just a thought.

Another thing to consider is that when you raise the frequency you raise the energy. so if by any mean we make an oscillatory circuit to abruptly change frequency during operation while not dissipating the energy this energy would become greater somehow. Tesla investigated about this in 1892.

i was considering to make an oscillation tank witch is have non linear energy handling. In the sense that when the capacitor reach 0 volts instead of reversing polarity and charge, it will by action of coupled inductor and diodes and switch means therefore, charge again with the same polarity,while keeping the current and voltage phase difference. I was thinking that i will also try discharging the other half of the charge that supposed to go to the capacitor on the same core during this second cycle governed by bifilar coil and diode action coupled in the same core. I expect this to cause a kind of magnetization of the core to a higher degree, as per inductors meant for inertia and thus current want to keep going in one direction.

What i want to achieve is what i would call an inductive battery. That can keep its charge without being energized for a small period of time at least.

This in my opinion would allow to extract energy some how of permanent magnetic fields..

if a charge could be accelerated in a magnetic field, a magnet and a spark gap could lead to increase in energy of the current, however if the impedance keeps the same this increase in (velocity) would lead only to heat and destruction of the spark gap, but if the voltage and current are not in phase you can use this to raise the voltage. Witch is what i think that tesla was doing. like the photoelectric effect but using only high voltage.

I would recommend you to read paul brown atomic battery resonance. Is of great worth.

Well the source we are looking for is battery like so yes you have the right idea. Since coils can and will act like a capacitor you do have a battery of sorts, especially when you spread out the coils of wire.

We are very close to a new method here based off what we can see of the experiments of Tesla and the experimenters after Tesla's time. Gray was one who actually came the closest to figuring it out, well his engineer almost did. We are not that far away.

The trick to spark gaps is to spread the surface area out, we already know this fact. If we use the Tesla improvement to the gap bu using multiple sparks gaps we spread out the charge gathering as well. This does two things, it allows for greater life of the spark gap and also improves the charge gathering action without killing the electrodes in the process.

Hey I'm all for debating this. It is the only thing that will get our theories advanced. If we don't get challenged, how can we learn anything and improve our theories? There has to be a common ground that will tie everything together. I am sure we shall find this common ground.