Don't Kill Dipole

[Jbignes5]

Yes!

I hope that helps people understand my cryptic writings. I don't mean to be so cryptic but my understanding of this stuff is actually from years and years of reprogramming myself to the natural ways and it is buried deep in all the greats of our time of this natural way of dealing with energy.

Capacitors or leyden jars as I like to call them actually do the job of separation or isolation all while still including the ability to either pass or block any part of a signal. They also have the ability to increase the base potential of a signal and allow for a more powerful swing in that potential. This is a key aspect of what we are looking for. But there are from what I am understanding a great many ways to utilize this swing. Take this patent for example:

Electrostatic energy conversion system - Google Patent Search

This is a variable capacitance static converter. That allows the conversion of static energies to be given motion and cycled through the load as an ac signal. It also uses a vacuum to control the static corona that would otherwise be there if air was dense enough. This unit should be looked at more. It needs a source of static potential though which should be very easy to provide Via Wimherst machine or the likes. So we need a source then a leyden storage system and then a control system to control the amount of the built up charge on the leyden jars to inject into the above system.

Simple right... lol

Well I found a rather nice mini static generator machine as well.. Here it is:

MINIATURE PRINTED CIRCUIT ... - Google Patent Search

Also we need a way to regulate the output of the mini static generator machine as well and this of course uses.... You guessed it vacuum TUBES!

Here it is:

FELICI - Google Patent Search

We also need a way to take the high voltages present and convert them to low voltage and higher current. This is a simple matter of stepping down the voltage through a transformer where the load is supposed to be on the first patent but that transformer needs to be a Tesla no core transformer built to the correct Tesla method. Both resonance and split primary should be used much like Don Smith used.

I have also been playing with the idea of a special antenna that has an aluminum core with a dielectric wrap with a steel or copper sheath to pick off the charges before it gets to the core. Since aluminum is not exactly reactive to magnetic fields in the normal manner this might prove useful as a broadcast element for the potential we will provide and the coper would intercept the charges before they get to the core of the input antenna's. I have not tested this out yet but I am really liking the idea so far. The larger antenna would be any normal antenna, single core and the smaller antennas would be custom made.

Lets see if we can figure this out then....

[dragon]

KABLAAAAM... my head exploded... I studied some similar patents that Armagadn posted some time back but it still didn't click but the above patent ( first one ) is using an offset between the two caps to create a continuous potential difference... so it sinks in. Shuttling the potential back and forth between the varying capacitance's thus powering the load with essentially the same energy. Is that right?

So, using a water analogy again, if you had 2 drums of water both equally filled on a rotating device traveling 360 degrees, water lines between the two with a motor in the center... rotate the drums so one is higher than the other and the water will flow through the motor to the lower drum, as it rotates the drained drum becomes the lower drum allowing the higher drum to equalize to the lower again...

If the above is correct then that gives me a different perspective to Lamar's schematic with the 3 coils.
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[Jbignes5]

Yup...

Now you are getting it! Nice analogy.

Now are you seeing how we got things backwards. We pay for the difference and then pay again to resupply that difference in our current systems. When nature does not have this cost associated with it, it essentially does it for free after the initial input. That input was long ago but the potential moves constantly. The charges are the same but the voltage is static in a sense that movement creates the potential. Since potential is only the ability to attract real charges it tends to be very dynamic and self sustaining in a sense. Don't get me wrong the potential is very real but in the sense of whatever is building this virtual network is the ability of that network to reach out and seek like real charges and pull them into the source. I think this network is self healing and self modulating based on the distance of the charges to that network finger. Think of it like this. A source attracts the little conductors of potential. They build up on the fly and reach out and attach to the charges and then pull it in twords the source. The frequency of the source is how many times can it pull charges and the size of those charges that it does pull in. Seeing that these pulls are not matter based they have a tension to them as well. Bigger charges would move slower to the source, when smaller charges would move relatively easy. This allows you to pull many more smaller charges into the source as the frequency rises. When we approach the smaller sized charges they don't really bother larger matter on the whole because of the strength of the charges. So you can amass more of the smaller charges without having massed effects like heating and cooling. Heating would be from pulling larger more dense charges through matter and cooling would be pulling charges out of matter.

I hope this helps...

[dragon]

Great ! I should have seen that with the tesla switch and the one wire... I was blinded by the word "dipole". ( forest and trees thing ) Thank you very much !!! Now that I know what I'm looking for I can start building !
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[7imix]

I really like the printed pcb wimshurst machine. That would be fun to build.

Here is another nice one that I would like to build at some time.

Jake's Wimshurst Machine and How to Build It! (Part 1) | The Steampunk Workshop

The output tube patent is a nice reference, thanks.

However, I think Don Smith had a simpler method of generating electrostatic potential. He uses batteries, a 555, a mosfet, a neon sign transformer, car ignition coils, and a spark gap discharging into a tesla coil to generate very sharp impulses of high voltage low current at high frequencies.

Both of these approaches are equivalent; the Don Smith circuits might be more accessible to those who don't have extensive machining skills to build a wimshurst generator. I'll be reporting more on my Don Smith experiments in jbignes5's thread about him.

One of the most difficult aspects of this build is getting the impulse frequency to match the resonant frequency of the coil. (Quarter, half, or full wave resonance) This is where using digital logic controlled devices gives a big advantage over mechanical methods where controlling the frequency and consistency of the impulses is more difficult.

In tesla's "system of transmission of electrical energy" patent:

NIKOLA TESLA - Google Patent Search

The length of the thin-wire coil in each transformer should be approximately one-quarter of the wave length of the electric disturbance in the circuit, this estimate being based on the velocity of propagation of the disturbance through the coil itself and the circuit with which it is designed to be used. By way of illustration if the rate at which the current traverses the circuit, including the coil, be one hundred and eighty-five thousand miles per second then a frequency of nine hundred and twenty-five per second would maintain nine hundred and twenty-five stationary waves in a circuit one hundred and eighty-five thousand miles long and each wave would be two hundred miles in length. For such a low frequency, to which I shall resort only when it is indispensable to operate motors of the ordinary kind under the conditions above assumed, I would use a secondary of fifty miles in length.

925hz: Each wave is 200 miles long. Quarter wave length: 50 miles.

So to use 925hz, we would need a secondary wire fifty miles long. I think that is probably out of most people's budget. To get the coil down to under 500 feet we need to raise the frequency to around 600khz. If we want the coil to be small enough to fit in a portable device, the frequency will have to be much, much faster.

This is why I am building this impulse generating circuit from the Don Smith chapter in Patrick Kelly's book.

[Jbignes5]

True...

I really like the printed pcb wimshurst machine. That would be fun to build.

Here is another nice one that I would like to build at some time.

Jake's Wimshurst Machine and How to Build It! (Part 1) | The Steampunk Workshop

The output tube patent is a nice reference, thanks.

However, I think Don Smith had a simpler method of generating electrostatic potential. He uses batteries, a 555, a mosfet, a neon sign transformer, car ignition coils, and a spark gap discharging into a tesla coil to generate very sharp impulses of high voltage low current at high frequencies.

Both of these approaches are equivalent; the Don Smith circuits might be more accessible to those who don't have extensive machining skills to build a wimshurst generator. I'll be reporting more on my Don Smith experiments in jbignes5's thread about him.

One of the most difficult aspects of this build is getting the impulse frequency to match the resonant frequency of the coil. (Quarter, half, or full wave resonance) This is where using digital logic controlled devices gives a big advantage over mechanical methods where controlling the frequency and consistency of the impulses is more difficult.

In tesla's "system of transmission of electrical energy" patent:

NIKOLA TESLA - Google Patent Search



925hz: Each wave is 200 miles long. Quarter wave length: 50 miles.

So to use 925hz, we would need a secondary wire fifty miles long. I think that is probably out of most people's budget. To get the coil down to under 500 feet we need to raise the frequency to around 600khz. If we want the coil to be small enough to fit in a portable device, the frequency will have to be much, much faster.

This is why I am building this impulse generating circuit from the Don Smith chapter in Patrick Kelly's book.

True but it made more sense to explain it via the static analogy.

I would go much higher then 20 khz. Even Don used 39 khz. in his table top system. I am thinking that the higher you go more and more becomes available for you to use because finer charges are easier to move without disturbing matter as a whole. kinda like trying to generate from the particles in water instead of the water itself. The bigger the particles the more it takes to move them. It is the same premise as that. Lets call it resonant charge propagation. So you can tune the device to work with the more finer charges which are more abundant.

I would also throw a cap on the output line as well in series. That way it separates the output from the transformer.

[Slovenia]

Splitting the positive??

I feel in my heart that splitting the positive is also important to what we are doing here in this thread. Am I right about this or did I take a wrong turn?? Anyway, the concept has been bugging me at night for some reason. I don't understand it but feel it is important somehow.

Please enlighten me on this thing to if you will. Thanks.

Jbignes5,
Your thread, "Tesla on one wire current" seem applicable also.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...e-current.html

There are a lot of posted goodies and it's hard to wrap the mind around it all. There is a lot of stuff to digest and it's all different than what we've been taught in school.

[7imix]

I would go much higher then 20 khz. Even Don used 39 khz. in his table top system. I am thinking that the higher you go more and more becomes available for you to use because finer charges are easier to move without disturbing matter as a whole.

Yes, from what I have read in the 100s of megahertz range is something to investigate.

I would also throw a cap on the output line as well in series. That way it separates the output from the transformer.

The output goes to a spark gap, cap, and tesla coil. Any number of step down coils and capacitors attached past the high voltage side should be able to run loads without affecting the amount of input power required. I believe lamare is describing how to do this in his thread.

[Jbignes5]

hmmm...

I feel in my heart that splitting the positive is also important to what we are doing here in this thread. Am I right about this or did I take a wrong turn?? Anyway, the concept has been bugging me at night for some reason. I don't understand it but feel it is important somehow.

Please enlighten me on this thing to if you will. Thanks.

Jbignes5,
Your thread, "Tesla on one wire current" seem applicable also.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...e-current.html

There are a lot of posted goodies and it's hard to wrap the mind around it all. There is a lot of stuff to digest and it's all different than what we've been taught in school.

Well it is very appropriate here. Isn't that what we are talking about. Establishing a positive source then keeping that source separate from our load. That is what we are doing. Remember voltage and charges are positive but completely separate in the natural sense. Voltage is our source which attracts positive charges to our source. If we then design a way to peel off the charges before it gets to the source then we have split the positive!

It was right in front of you the whole time!

[Jbignes5]

Yes, from what I have read in the 100s of megahertz range is something to investigate.



The output goes to a spark gap, cap, and tesla coil. Any number of step down coils and capacitors attached past the high voltage side should be able to run loads without affecting the amount of input power required. I believe lamare is describing how to do this in his thread.

Yeah Tesla said that the higher the range the more umph it has and less effect on matter that is around it. But I suspect that as we get higher in frequency the smaller the charges become and at some point we wont be able to intercept them due to the smaller size. There has to be a happy medium here. Just when it stops messin with matter is where we should stop due to unknown effects at the higher ranges of frequency.

If we take one thing from Tesla it would be that the initial experiments and the notes taken from him should be referenced. I think he said anything higher then 20k should be fine for no ill effects. So 39k like Don did would be the target for now. We can save the highest frequencies for smaller applications. Like micro sized generators.

I want to stay out of the highest range for now till we can get something working and be able to test the unit on everything we know of to make sure this process is non damaging to matter and us.


I see you have done your homework on the link to load...

[Slovenia]

forest & tree thing

Hi Jbignes5,

I couldn't see the forest for the trees either. There are so many unique aspects to all of this and most guys don't try to make it easy to understand. I'm starting to see little bits and pieces but I still can't connect most of the dots. I'm not an electrical guy though, so maybe in the long run it will be easier for me to accept the new way of doing things since I wasn't taught in school that you couldn't do this stuff.

Anyway, thanks for all the help and encouragement!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Well it is very appropriate here. Isn't that what we are talking about. Establishing a positive source then keeping that source separate from our load. That is what we are doing. Remember voltage and charges are positive but completely separate in the natural sense. Voltage is our source which attracts positive charges to our source. If we then design a way to peel off the charges before it gets to the source then we have split the positive!

It was right in front of you the whole time!

[Jbignes5]

Here is something you guys must watch!

YouTube - The Pyramid Code - Ep 2 - High Level Technology part 1/5

This is about ancient technology and guess who's name comes up? Also check out when Siemens found out about this discovery. Tesla was in the know and routinely met with all the greats of that time. What are the chances that Siemens had a chat with Tesla about his experiences.

I know it has 5 parts but please watch this all. This is what helped me to understand this energy we are searching for and I believe it was discovered long before we started our search.

Also this is exactly the shape that I believe the fundamental particle is. I will release more as time goes by, because this is very very esoteric and goes deeper then I could say in one posting.

I am working with a buddy who is gonna try and help me to put it into a video of the actions of these particles and how they are in fact what we have mistaken for magnetic lines of force. Time will tell if we can figure out all the dynamics of these particles and get an accurate simulation of such lines on a small scale. Maybe eventually create a much bigger simulation to show complex interactions when they mass together. But like I said that will come in time.

The only thing that will bring the aha moment is just listening with an open mind and then when everything we know fits like a puzzle to show the bigger picture the aha will happen. Most of what I have been saying is just a massive collection of all the unexplained observations we as man have observed and then condensed into a smaller version that explains it all from very few laws to follow.

Some of these laws include geometry, static laws and fluid dynamics. To name a few of the most basic laws that govern this smaller then we ever imagined realm.

None of the laws that we have for our current system of electronics even applies to this new field other then a few basic components which they could not refute, like charges and voltage. Anything else was invented to support the system they made to sell this new commodity of electricity.

Even Tesla himself regretted releasing the AC system to the public. This was a revelation that made him make the comment that his AC system was most unnatural. This is what set him on the path to figure out what this natural form of energy was really and how he could motivate it and control it.

More to come soon.

[dragon]

Most excellent series of videos ! Thanks for sharing these. Very enlilghtening indeed.
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[7imix]

Awesome videos. I especially like the part where he talks about the kind of energy we use being explosion energy, and another kind of energy being implosion or sound based.

I had the same idea, that current is hot electricity, or light electricity. It vibrates transversely against the medium and causes turbulence, or heat. Potential is like cold electricity, or sound electricity. When impulses of high potential and high frequency are applied it sets up longitudinal waves which radiate outwards from a point in all directions. Since these waves are not wobbling up and down through the medium and dissipating energy randomly, they can reverberate and grow when the impulses are in tune with the medium that is being pumped.

Existing electrical devices use electrical light waves, which wobble against the medium and dissipate energy as heat. Tesla style devices use electrical sound waves of extremely high frequency. Don't kill the dipole... Keep the dielectric and electromagnetic components in alignment instead of in quadrature.

[Guruji]

Don Smith circuit

Hi 7imix that's an interesting circuit. How then that high voltage would be used to 240v by stepdown transformers? Frequency would be right to 60hz?
Thanks