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    FOREWORD: First and most important, “THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX”, THROW AWAY THE BOX, this theory and circuit is VERY DIFFRENT from conventional thinking. No magic, no smoke, no mirrors, no batteries, no moving parts, just very old electrical theory never taught only shelved for unknown reason’s, although I believe it was J.P .Morgan, (General Electric), in the 1920’s that told Tesla quote, ”I don’t want to be just an antenna salesman”, but at that time Tesla was trying to “transmit” the power to be received, it wasn’t until the early 1930’s he discovered the power was all around us in MASSIVE quantities all that was needed was a tap. The tap was made by Dr. T. Henry Moray first, although his device’s output was high frequency and would not run a motor or inductive load. The “HEADWATERS” for his device was the same as the later Tesla/Pierce-Arrow automobile device but Tesla’s was a variable frequency device suitable for motor speed control. The device’s use a theory called “Splitting the positive”, simply explained, take just the positive from a 12v battery and connect to positive on a 12v incandescent bulb, then take just the positive from a 3v battery and connect to minus on same bulb and connect both battery minus’s together to complete circuit and bulb will burn with the 9v differential. The circuit I have come up with uses the same “Splitting the positive” theory.
    HEADWATERS: In a sense we have a crystal set tuned at say 76hz, picked up from maybe the sun or the vibration of the earth rotating or moving through space, we don’t know which but the sun puts out the full radio spectrum so I suspect a suitable device could be built to pick it up. To extract this and make it useable we use instead of a gang tuning capacitor, we wind “bobbin coil’s” on two separate ferrite iron core’s, these core’s, parallel to each other, are moved closer or farther apart until tuning is achieved between coil’s. While acting as capacitance the coil’s also step up the voltage and impart this onto the iron core, the coil’s are wound on core’s in opposite direction’s to achieve a polyphase effect between the two core’s. Now the resultant “ringing” of the iron core’s at 76hz with a now stepped up to say 25 or 35 volt’s will cause the random flying atom’s near each iron core to be imparted with the 76hz at 30v and will be placed in an orderly orbit around iron core’s to be collected for our use. Lets say each iron core’s bobbin coil’s consist of ; Primary’s say 4, and two set's of secondary’s, 2 coil’s for controls, and 8 coil’s for our main “CURRENT COLLECTOR TUBE“, and this is per iron core. The 2 control coil’s run the variable trigger 30v oscillator. The 8 CURRENT COLLECTOR TUBE coil’s provide our high voltage (2 to 4 thousand volt’s) needed to collect sufficient current to run motor’s or “lifters” grid’s through the device’s OUTPUT TUBE’S. This is our VOLTAGE. This covers the two "rod's" that were "pushed in" to turn on the device. They were nothing more than simple ferrite iron rod's, transformer core's call them. These core's can be partially inserted into the primary to bring crystal device up, at the same time into control coil for a load, then when controls were up the core's are pushed all the way in to finally couple in high voltage secondary to bring current collector tube on line. Inductive coupling no "magic".
    CURRENT COLLECTOR and OUTPUT TUBES: The CURRENT COLLECTOR TUBE consist of two anodes opposite each other with a “breakdown” gap on the ends facing each other. This gap is designed to provide a sufficient transfer of electron’s to prevent visible spark but allow current collector “bobbin” coil’s on ferrite iron core’s to build up to and maintain 2 to 4 thousand volt’s, remember the coil’s act as capacitor’s and will build up voltage until they burn up unless they are discharged. The discharge of 4000v at 76hz is captured on a pickup plate and fed to a “fairly thick” CURRENT COLLECTOR ROD, which like the ferrite iron core’s is imparted with 4000v 76hz, “ringing” the rod and causing atoms near rod to pick up same voltage and frequency and be made available for our use. This is our output CURRENT.
    The OUTPUT TUBE’S are designed much like the current collector tube, an anode sized for designed output current is opposed by a smaller trigger conductor. The anode is fed through a resistor from the current collector rod. The trigger is fed through same size resistor but power from current collector rod goes through a variable voltage TRIGGER TUBE so trigger voltage and rate can be controlled to vary output from output tube plate. This is where we use the “Splitting the positive” theory, anode at 4000v and trigger at 4000v, we have no output to plate. Begin to LOWER the trigger voltage and breakdown across gap begins causing anode to “shed” its charge which is picked up by the plate, this is our final output. It can be fed directly to a “lifter’s” control surface and varied for control or using 2 output tube’s running at different voltage’s say 4000v for one and 3880v for the other, a 120v differential is achieved to run device’s like an electric motor, the Tesla/Pierce-Arrow, our oven, air conditioner, heater, ... .

    TRIGGER TUBES: The trigger tube’s are designed similar to an old triode vacuum tube. This was most likely an integral part of each output tube in both Moray and Tesla design’s but for testing mine will be separate. This tube consists of only three conductors, a cathode, grid and plate, and uses a “cold cathode” no heater. The cathode, this conductor is our control for this entire device. It’s operation is as follow's - the voltage applied to this cathode will be none or zero volt’s down into the minus range. To make it function - at zero volt’s the tube is “cut off”, no flow occurs between grid and plate and plate voltage is at its lowest at this point causing trigger voltage in output tube to be at it’s lowest resulting in FULL power output from output tube. As cathode voltage on trigger tube is LOWERED down into minus volt’s say -30v, trigger tube is fully “on” and max flow occurs between grid and plate and plate voltage is at it’s highest at this point causing trigger voltage in output tube to be equal to it’s anode voltage resulting in no power output from output tube and this completes our cycle from max volt’s output to zero volt’s output from output tube. This cover's the "three special tube's in the wooden box in his pocket". They were two combination trigger/output tube's and one current collector tube. Tesla made his own H.I.D. light bulb's, a few special tube's were nothing for him.

    NOTES: [1] All described tube’s most likely had a vacuum pulled on them and may also have been charged with a gas like argon or nitrogen.
    [2] I believe Tesla had a metal gang variable capacitor connected to the accelerator pedal, this varied the “firing” frequency of the trigger tubes cathode’s through a variable frequency oscillator circuit giving variable frequency output for motor speed control. By having only two wire’s coming from the motor it was most likely a 120v or 220v single phase motor. At reported 50,000 watts device output that’s about 67hp but with as large physical size as described it had plenty of torque.
    Having reportedly made only one of these device’s and his papers and thought’s on them either destroyed or in AREA 51 we will never know his future thought’s on this device. I suspect using only one current collector tube and rod, additional pair’s of output tube’s could be added and “fired” in such an order to create a polyphase or three phase or more effect allowing three phase or more motors to be used.
    [3] Last and most important , the output from output tube’s will BE HIGH VOLTAGE all the way to some point in winding or device where the two output’s meet, therefore wiring must have HIGH VOLTAGE insulation or isolation transformer with high voltage insulated primary’s to use 600v wiring in secondary circuit’s.


    Thanks for your time; Daniel D. Rich
    01-25-2007

    Thanks for your invite to your site. It's good to see people working on this device. As for clairification, nothing is clear about this device or theory execpt that we all seem to be on the case. My internet savy, not so good and I am having NO success trying to copy my schematic and drawing here for ya'll to ponder but fear not I will be successful, someday.

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    • Welcome Daniel to Energetic Forum (Rebus57 Tesla Poster on Lets Roll Forum Site)

      Hi Daniel,

      Thanks for visiting our thread on Energetic Forum. We have some guys here who would like to chat with you. I posted a link to your Pierce Arrow article on Letsroll forum the other day and everyone was very excited about the information you shared and your ideas. Anyway, Jbignes5 is one of our resident Tesla guys, and he'd like to chat with you about Tesla stuff.

      Best Regards,
      Slovenia


      Originally posted by Rebus57 View Post
      FOREWORD: First and most important, “THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX”, THROW AWAY THE BOX, this theory and circuit is VERY DIFFRENT from conventional thinking. No magic, no smoke, no mirrors, no batteries, no moving parts, just very old electrical theory never taught only shelved for unknown reason’s, although I believe it was J.P .Morgan, (General Electric), in the 1920’s that told Tesla quote, ”I don’t want to be just an antenna salesman”, but at that time Tesla was trying to “transmit” the power to be received, it wasn’t until the early 1930’s he discovered the power was all around us in MASSIVE quantities all that was needed was a tap. The tap was made by Dr. T. Henry Moray first, although his device’s output was high frequency and would not run a motor or inductive load. The “HEADWATERS” for his device was the same as the later Tesla/Pierce-Arrow automobile device but Tesla’s was a variable frequency device suitable for motor speed control. The device’s use a theory called “Splitting the positive”, simply explained, take just the positive from a 12v battery and connect to positive on a 12v incandescent bulb, then take just the positive from a 3v battery and connect to minus on same bulb and connect both battery minus’s together to complete circuit and bulb will burn with the 9v differential. The circuit I have come up with uses the same “Splitting the positive” theory.
      HEADWATERS: In a sense we have a crystal set tuned at say 76hz, picked up from maybe the sun or the vibration of the earth rotating or moving through space, we don’t know which but the sun puts out the full radio spectrum so I suspect a suitable device could be built to pick it up. To extract this and make it useable we use instead of a gang tuning capacitor, we wind “bobbin coil’s” on two separate ferrite iron core’s, these core’s, parallel to each other, are moved closer or farther apart until tuning is achieved between coil’s. While acting as capacitance the coil’s also step up the voltage and impart this onto the iron core, the coil’s are wound on core’s in opposite direction’s to achieve a polyphase effect between the two core’s. Now the resultant “ringing” of the iron core’s at 76hz with a now stepped up to say 25 or 35 volt’s will cause the random flying atom’s near each iron core to be imparted with the 76hz at 30v and will be placed in an orderly orbit around iron core’s to be collected for our use. Lets say each iron core’s bobbin coil’s consist of ; Primary’s say 4, and two set's of secondary’s, 2 coil’s for controls, and 8 coil’s for our main “CURRENT COLLECTOR TUBE“, and this is per iron core. The 2 control coil’s run the variable trigger 30v oscillator. The 8 CURRENT COLLECTOR TUBE coil’s provide our high voltage (2 to 4 thousand volt’s) needed to collect sufficient current to run motor’s or “lifters” grid’s through the device’s OUTPUT TUBE’S. This is our VOLTAGE. This covers the two "rod's" that were "pushed in" to turn on the device. They were nothing more than simple ferrite iron rod's, transformer core's call them. These core's can be partially inserted into the primary to bring crystal device up, at the same time into control coil for a load, then when controls were up the core's are pushed all the way in to finally couple in high voltage secondary to bring current collector tube on line. Inductive coupling no "magic".
      CURRENT COLLECTOR and OUTPUT TUBES: The CURRENT COLLECTOR TUBE consist of two anodes opposite each other with a “breakdown” gap on the ends facing each other. This gap is designed to provide a sufficient transfer of electron’s to prevent visible spark but allow current collector “bobbin” coil’s on ferrite iron core’s to build up to and maintain 2 to 4 thousand volt’s, remember the coil’s act as capacitor’s and will build up voltage until they burn up unless they are discharged. The discharge of 4000v at 76hz is captured on a pickup plate and fed to a “fairly thick” CURRENT COLLECTOR ROD, which like the ferrite iron core’s is imparted with 4000v 76hz, “ringing” the rod and causing atoms near rod to pick up same voltage and frequency and be made available for our use. This is our output CURRENT.
      The OUTPUT TUBE’S are designed much like the current collector tube, an anode sized for designed output current is opposed by a smaller trigger conductor. The anode is fed through a resistor from the current collector rod. The trigger is fed through same size resistor but power from current collector rod goes through a variable voltage TRIGGER TUBE so trigger voltage and rate can be controlled to vary output from output tube plate. This is where we use the “Splitting the positive” theory, anode at 4000v and trigger at 4000v, we have no output to plate. Begin to LOWER the trigger voltage and breakdown across gap begins causing anode to “shed” its charge which is picked up by the plate, this is our final output. It can be fed directly to a “lifter’s” control surface and varied for control or using 2 output tube’s running at different voltage’s say 4000v for one and 3880v for the other, a 120v differential is achieved to run device’s like an electric motor, the Tesla/Pierce-Arrow, our oven, air conditioner, heater, ... .

      TRIGGER TUBES: The trigger tube’s are designed similar to an old triode vacuum tube. This was most likely an integral part of each output tube in both Moray and Tesla design’s but for testing mine will be separate. This tube consists of only three conductors, a cathode, grid and plate, and uses a “cold cathode” no heater. The cathode, this conductor is our control for this entire device. It’s operation is as follow's - the voltage applied to this cathode will be none or zero volt’s down into the minus range. To make it function - at zero volt’s the tube is “cut off”, no flow occurs between grid and plate and plate voltage is at its lowest at this point causing trigger voltage in output tube to be at it’s lowest resulting in FULL power output from output tube. As cathode voltage on trigger tube is LOWERED down into minus volt’s say -30v, trigger tube is fully “on” and max flow occurs between grid and plate and plate voltage is at it’s highest at this point causing trigger voltage in output tube to be equal to it’s anode voltage resulting in no power output from output tube and this completes our cycle from max volt’s output to zero volt’s output from output tube. This cover's the "three special tube's in the wooden box in his pocket". They were two combination trigger/output tube's and one current collector tube. Tesla made his own H.I.D. light bulb's, a few special tube's were nothing for him.

      NOTES: [1] All described tube’s most likely had a vacuum pulled on them and may also have been charged with a gas like argon or nitrogen.
      [2] I believe Tesla had a metal gang variable capacitor connected to the accelerator pedal, this varied the “firing” frequency of the trigger tubes cathode’s through a variable frequency oscillator circuit giving variable frequency output for motor speed control. By having only two wire’s coming from the motor it was most likely a 120v or 220v single phase motor. At reported 50,000 watts device output that’s about 67hp but with as large physical size as described it had plenty of torque.
      Having reportedly made only one of these device’s and his papers and thought’s on them either destroyed or in AREA 51 we will never know his future thought’s on this device. I suspect using only one current collector tube and rod, additional pair’s of output tube’s could be added and “fired” in such an order to create a polyphase or three phase or more effect allowing three phase or more motors to be used.
      [3] Last and most important , the output from output tube’s will BE HIGH VOLTAGE all the way to some point in winding or device where the two output’s meet, therefore wiring must have HIGH VOLTAGE insulation or isolation transformer with high voltage insulated primary’s to use 600v wiring in secondary circuit’s.


      Thanks for your time; Daniel D. Rich
      01-25-2007

      Thanks for your invite to your site. It's good to see people working on this device. As for clairification, nothing is clear about this device or theory execpt that we all seem to be on the case. My internet savy, not so good and I am having NO success trying to copy my schematic and drawing here for ya'll to ponder but fear not I will be successful, someday.

      Comment


      • You Schematic and Drawing

        Hi Daniel,

        Send your schematic drawing to me at the e-mail address I contacted you from before and I'll put them up here at Energetic. Thanks.

        Best Regards,
        Slovenia


        Originally posted by Rebus57 View Post
        My internet savy, not so good and I am having NO success trying to copy my schematic and drawing here for ya'll to ponder but fear not I will be successful, someday.

        Comment


        • Great Savy (Tesla Pierce Arrow Info)

          Daniel / Rebus57,

          I've been studying your post very well and it is apparent you have great savy on this subject. I am very excited to have you here helping us.

          Best Regards,
          Slovenia

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          • Yes Welcome!

            Rebus57,

            I too have known that he used tubes. The reason is that you can influence high voltages in a triode setup. If you use a diode tube in between the hv source and the triode it allows the presence of hv without shorting out the source.

            You went the other way with the steel rods he inserted in the box. I think they were antennas of the same mass as the larger antenna that was on the bumper. This was a focusing event to both raise the voltage value at the smaller antennas and to attract the charges that Tesla knew was outside circulating in the cycle they were caught in.

            I suspect he went back to the days of his Niagra falls experience. Except in this instance he had to create a cycle that would be harmless to everything but still useful. Since duplicating his experiment would be a guess at best I started to think about how we could do the same without having to duplicate his box part for part.

            This is what brought me to statics and since Tesla in the end of his life believed this was the way and that it had merit it dawned on me that this could have been the method he used.

            Right now we are down to a source supply. A dual variable capacitor to get an oscillating flow and a transformer to convert the voltage down to sane levels to connect to the load. Since the static machine would not exhibit load slow down when you draw huge amounts from the Wimhurst machine or the likes then we should be able to get a decent supply out of it with little input. Coupled with my antenna system to draw in more free charges from the environment this should be quite the system.

            Experimentation is the key here.

            You are just about where I was last year in figuring out what Tesla did. I welcome any input and I hope you are also as open about our ides too..

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            • Originally posted by dragon View Post
              Jbigness, you mentioned the wimhurst generator as being better than the van de graaff. How large a unit would you need to produce a reasonable amount of output? Construction of a van de graaff would be considerably easier even if the rollers and belt needed to be larger. It seems like the input power requirement would be considerably less with the wimhurst. But... on the other end of the HV requirement if a simple kacher could be made up to do the same thing, where, it may be more advantageous to use a solid state set up... The rotating variable cap doesn't seem like a major problem in construction depending on the amount of capacitance needed. ( total number of plates ).

              Just thinking ahead a bit for the next project linking to the dipole thread....
              @ Dragon, I would not normally suggest this, but as you are an EXCELLENT craftsman, you should consider building this device, as it is brilliantly simple, and construction would not be hard either, and made well could be very effective.

              Lorente's Electrostatic Generator, US Patented

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              • Thanks Armagdn03 ! It does look very simple to construct. I'll start looking for some roller materials ! Great find !
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                Herbalaire Vaporizer
                Last edited by dragon; 05-11-2011, 10:54 AM.

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                • To answer your earlier question about what the small Wimhurst generator..

                  If you read the text of the patent it tells you the best voltage potential that a 2-3 inch etched printed circuit board conductor was 6k volts. I am thinking that multiple units in a row can increase that slightly. It says that size can be adjusted and the rate flies up as the size does. Pretty impressive from a small unit like that.
                  The drive mechanism is weird and could have a solenoid driver for that in pulse mode or even a straight drive mechanism if we could figure out how to keep a vacuum on it to improve the capabilities of the source. We could use one for each side of the variable caps to increase the flow power I am thinking. This would allow more punch from side to side. Kinda how they use in audio amps situations. Home made leyden jars would be the best option there and could even use cheap oil as the dielectric to increase the capacity of the leyden jars.

                  I was also thinking how we could design the vacuum systems and we could do it in a multiple layout. A vacuum system would need an in and an out right. On the in would be the vacuum and the out could couple to a tesla turbine to extract mechanical rotation to drive the static generator and variable capacitor setup.

                  I think we would need a small motor to start the process and can be used like a starter on a car but we could also turn it from active mode to passive to generate more if need be.

                  Let me know how that sounds and if I didn't include anything you might have thought about?
                  Last edited by Jbignes5; 10-16-2010, 04:06 PM.

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                  • I haven't read through that patent - admittedly only looked at it's construction. It appeared to have a "thumb" drive like the geared flashlights which might be better served using standard gearing for constant speed. I need to read more on the wimhurst to get a better understanding of it... it looks like a fairly complicated design. The roller unit that Armegdn03 posted is elegantly simple if it works as stated.

                    The vacuum system driving a tesla turbine sounds like it would require quite a bit of energy depending on the volumn of air required to run it, I haven't played with one so I really don't know how efficient they are or what it takes to run one.

                    I've used a magnetic drive on a sealed pressurized stirling engine. This requires no seals as there are no output shafts, it's simply coupled to the output via magnetic coupling. Adds a little to the cost overall but it could remove the need for a continuous vacuum supply. If the input requirement to turn the static generator and the variable capacitor was low enough a tiny motor could be used.... I fear that may not be the case though... I don't know how much force is required to move the charged plates in and out of position. One step at a time I guess -

                    I finished the outer copper capacitor on the pyramid. It came in at 800 pf with a Q of around 98 which was surprising. I haven't been able to measure anything useful from it as it sits, it does work nicely as an antenna. I connected it as a top load on a kacher which worked quite well. Connected to an antenna wire the scope shows about 3 volts rms with a 10-15 volt p-p and it will light an LED on the exposed copper. Fun little project that should be fun to play with between projects....
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                    NEXIUM WITHDRAW
                    Last edited by dragon; 05-11-2011, 10:54 AM.

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                    • Very Cool Tesla Link

                      Great Tesla Link:
                      Nikola Tesla - the man who electrified the world!!

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                      • I don't want to start a fight or anything cause I know alot of you have spent lots of hours imagining, theorizing and hopefully testing what this mysterious black box was.
                        The one thing I have never read is the simplest answer for what it really was or might have been based on what we know he did. A wireless electrical receiver.
                        We know he broadcast electricity in some form or another.

                        Using Occam's razor that would be the simplest explanation. He was broadcasting the energy he used in the car. He did it before in Aspen.

                        The receiver was a way of converting a high frequency transmission back to usable current. Maybe even grabbing extra energy from the RF bandwidth or above. A super crystal radio if you will.

                        So I guess what I am trying to find out is what specific article or patent has led you guys to believe that for some reason Tesla pulled this power out of the air or active environment without first generating it?

                        I have read most what has been written on him. Probably most of his patents. Nothing I have seen could lead me to believe other wise.

                        And you got to consider even broadcasting a generated signal and recombining it into use able current is still a pretty fantastic thing and I know of experiments that say that is possible.

                        Anyway I hope someone can give a rational, simple, fact filled, answer.

                        Matt



                        Originally posted by Rebus57 View Post
                        FOREWORD: First and most important, “THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX”, THROW AWAY THE BOX, this theory and circuit is VERY DIFFRENT from conventional thinking. No magic, no smoke, no mirrors, no batteries, no moving parts, just very old electrical theory never taught only shelved for unknown reason’s, although I believe it was J.P .Morgan, (General Electric), in the 1920’s that told Tesla quote, ”I don’t want to be just an antenna salesman”, but at that time Tesla was trying to “transmit” the power to be received, it wasn’t until the early 1930’s he discovered the power was all around us in MASSIVE quantities all that was needed was a tap. The tap was made by Dr. T. Henry Moray first, although his device’s output was high frequency and would not run a motor or inductive load. The “HEADWATERS” for his device was the same as the later Tesla/Pierce-Arrow automobile device but Tesla’s was a variable frequency device suitable for motor speed control. The device’s use a theory called “Splitting the positive”, simply explained, take just the positive from a 12v battery and connect to positive on a 12v incandescent bulb, then take just the positive from a 3v battery and connect to minus on same bulb and connect both battery minus’s together to complete circuit and bulb will burn with the 9v differential. The circuit I have come up with uses the same “Splitting the positive” theory.
                        HEADWATERS: In a sense we have a crystal set tuned at say 76hz, picked up from maybe the sun or the vibration of the earth rotating or moving through space, we don’t know which but the sun puts out the full radio spectrum so I suspect a suitable device could be built to pick it up. To extract this and make it useable we use instead of a gang tuning capacitor, we wind “bobbin coil’s” on two separate ferrite iron core’s, these core’s, parallel to each other, are moved closer or farther apart until tuning is achieved between coil’s. While acting as capacitance the coil’s also step up the voltage and impart this onto the iron core, the coil’s are wound on core’s in opposite direction’s to achieve a polyphase effect between the two core’s. Now the resultant “ringing” of the iron core’s at 76hz with a now stepped up to say 25 or 35 volt’s will cause the random flying atom’s near each iron core to be imparted with the 76hz at 30v and will be placed in an orderly orbit around iron core’s to be collected for our use. Lets say each iron core’s bobbin coil’s consist of ; Primary’s say 4, and two set's of secondary’s, 2 coil’s for controls, and 8 coil’s for our main “CURRENT COLLECTOR TUBE“, and this is per iron core. The 2 control coil’s run the variable trigger 30v oscillator. The 8 CURRENT COLLECTOR TUBE coil’s provide our high voltage (2 to 4 thousand volt’s) needed to collect sufficient current to run motor’s or “lifters” grid’s through the device’s OUTPUT TUBE’S. This is our VOLTAGE. This covers the two "rod's" that were "pushed in" to turn on the device. They were nothing more than simple ferrite iron rod's, transformer core's call them. These core's can be partially inserted into the primary to bring crystal device up, at the same time into control coil for a load, then when controls were up the core's are pushed all the way in to finally couple in high voltage secondary to bring current collector tube on line. Inductive coupling no "magic".
                        CURRENT COLLECTOR and OUTPUT TUBES: The CURRENT COLLECTOR TUBE consist of two anodes opposite each other with a “breakdown” gap on the ends facing each other. This gap is designed to provide a sufficient transfer of electron’s to prevent visible spark but allow current collector “bobbin” coil’s on ferrite iron core’s to build up to and maintain 2 to 4 thousand volt’s, remember the coil’s act as capacitor’s and will build up voltage until they burn up unless they are discharged. The discharge of 4000v at 76hz is captured on a pickup plate and fed to a “fairly thick” CURRENT COLLECTOR ROD, which like the ferrite iron core’s is imparted with 4000v 76hz, “ringing” the rod and causing atoms near rod to pick up same voltage and frequency and be made available for our use. This is our output CURRENT.
                        The OUTPUT TUBE’S are designed much like the current collector tube, an anode sized for designed output current is opposed by a smaller trigger conductor. The anode is fed through a resistor from the current collector rod. The trigger is fed through same size resistor but power from current collector rod goes through a variable voltage TRIGGER TUBE so trigger voltage and rate can be controlled to vary output from output tube plate. This is where we use the “Splitting the positive” theory, anode at 4000v and trigger at 4000v, we have no output to plate. Begin to LOWER the trigger voltage and breakdown across gap begins causing anode to “shed” its charge which is picked up by the plate, this is our final output. It can be fed directly to a “lifter’s” control surface and varied for control or using 2 output tube’s running at different voltage’s say 4000v for one and 3880v for the other, a 120v differential is achieved to run device’s like an electric motor, the Tesla/Pierce-Arrow, our oven, air conditioner, heater, ... .

                        TRIGGER TUBES: The trigger tube’s are designed similar to an old triode vacuum tube. This was most likely an integral part of each output tube in both Moray and Tesla design’s but for testing mine will be separate. This tube consists of only three conductors, a cathode, grid and plate, and uses a “cold cathode” no heater. The cathode, this conductor is our control for this entire device. It’s operation is as follow's - the voltage applied to this cathode will be none or zero volt’s down into the minus range. To make it function - at zero volt’s the tube is “cut off”, no flow occurs between grid and plate and plate voltage is at its lowest at this point causing trigger voltage in output tube to be at it’s lowest resulting in FULL power output from output tube. As cathode voltage on trigger tube is LOWERED down into minus volt’s say -30v, trigger tube is fully “on” and max flow occurs between grid and plate and plate voltage is at it’s highest at this point causing trigger voltage in output tube to be equal to it’s anode voltage resulting in no power output from output tube and this completes our cycle from max volt’s output to zero volt’s output from output tube. This cover's the "three special tube's in the wooden box in his pocket". They were two combination trigger/output tube's and one current collector tube. Tesla made his own H.I.D. light bulb's, a few special tube's were nothing for him.

                        NOTES: [1] All described tube’s most likely had a vacuum pulled on them and may also have been charged with a gas like argon or nitrogen.
                        [2] I believe Tesla had a metal gang variable capacitor connected to the accelerator pedal, this varied the “firing” frequency of the trigger tubes cathode’s through a variable frequency oscillator circuit giving variable frequency output for motor speed control. By having only two wire’s coming from the motor it was most likely a 120v or 220v single phase motor. At reported 50,000 watts device output that’s about 67hp but with as large physical size as described it had plenty of torque.
                        Having reportedly made only one of these device’s and his papers and thought’s on them either destroyed or in AREA 51 we will never know his future thought’s on this device. I suspect using only one current collector tube and rod, additional pair’s of output tube’s could be added and “fired” in such an order to create a polyphase or three phase or more effect allowing three phase or more motors to be used.
                        [3] Last and most important , the output from output tube’s will BE HIGH VOLTAGE all the way to some point in winding or device where the two output’s meet, therefore wiring must have HIGH VOLTAGE insulation or isolation transformer with high voltage insulated primary’s to use 600v wiring in secondary circuit’s.


                        Thanks for your time; Daniel D. Rich
                        01-25-2007

                        Thanks for your invite to your site. It's good to see people working on this device. As for clairification, nothing is clear about this device or theory execpt that we all seem to be on the case. My internet savy, not so good and I am having NO success trying to copy my schematic and drawing here for ya'll to ponder but fear not I will be successful, someday.

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                        • Tesla Car Post

                          Hi Matthew,

                          The purpose of this thread is to get Tesla free energy generation up and running and to help get us all off grid. I brought the Tesla car post link into play because I could tell the author of the article was quite astute in Tesla Tech. I was looking for new blood to help us in our quest. So, I'm not concerned about what methodology Tesla used to operate his Pierce Arrow. We do have some really sharp Tesla guys on this thread working at trying to come up with some circuits we can build as we try to get this show on the road. I'm hoping our new Tesla guy who posted the Pierce Arrow article will come back to Energetic Forum and help us. I do have a fellow here on site that will probably address your question but, I wanted you to understand why we got a little off track with the Pierce Arrow scenario. I was just looking for a new Tesla guy to help us.

                          Thanks for your interest in our thread.

                          Best Regards,
                          Slovenia


                          Originally posted by Matthew Jones View Post
                          I don't want to start a fight or anything cause I know alot of you have spent lots of hours imagining, theorizing and hopefully testing what this mysterious black box was.

                          Anyway I hope someone can give a rational, simple, fact filled, answer.

                          Matt

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                          • No I understand. And I don't want to impose doubt. Or belittle anything.
                            I just try to think of things in simpler terms. Some what is proposed is to far out there.
                            Some people float along in imagination when all the while there are practical examples and clues to what could really be happening. The pierce arrow is an example. There is no definitive information that state he was doing what most people imagine.
                            There is on the other quite a bit evidence to conclude he could have been generating and processing the signal. This was a big bases for his work.

                            And even if we take into account Moray there is no definitive for saying they tapped a field of energy. Moray could have very well been generating his energy through a galvanic type response from the materials in his tubes. The whole process cold have possibly been triggered by naturally occurring frequencies.

                            If you look Floyd Sweet's work with Barium this is the case. He induced an oscillating magnetic field with frequency of energy feed to the cast barium magnet. And this very same process is in use today in the mainstream. Not at the same scale but...
                            https://www.htw-saarland.de/fut/fue-...tovic_2002.pdf

                            Either way I am just trying to find out if I am missing something or not. I just don't seem to come to the same conclusions.

                            And I hope something comes along that changes that.

                            Matt

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                            • What Mathew does...

                              This is a clear example of what Mathew does.

                              My one question to Mathew would be this: How are we to get to the bottom of anything if we do not look in even the craziest of places. If we are always looking to what we know do we ever go anywhere new with it?

                              So you think that Tesla stayed with the transmission effect he found? Even after his big tower got tanked? After J.P Morgan pulled the funding and tower because of what Tesla was trying to do...

                              Tesla knew one thing after that. No one would fund a project like that again. So in order to still work on the experiments he retooled and after a while he devised a new way to broadcast while costing near nothing to do so and receive in the local environment of the unit a special kind of flow that was created by the broadcast he setup in the very same unit. He did both in the same unit. In fact if you read back in the earlier posts you will see that there is a few posts by me that shows that Tesla moved onto experimenting with static machines. Now I am guessing you are saying why... Hmmm does Crooks sound familiar. He went back to his mentors roots and figured that was the only way to get what he needed.

                              Now you can come here and apologize then say put up your proof only so you can see the way. Well that is not gonna happen beyond what we have done already or as we experiment and report our findings. You want to find out how he did it then maybe you should change your approach and stop belittling everyone that is trying to go a different route then what you think you know as truth. Just because someone says there is an electron does not mean there is. There is zero proof there is one yet everything based on electronics and electricity says there is????

                              Now if you want to come and join us, there is room but please stop knocking others attempts to explain this concept and how they see it operating. It goes against what this forum is about and what our thread here is trying to formulate for a new kind of natural science.

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                              • All I did was ask for the reference. I asked for someone to point me in the direction you guys are looking. And there is nothing wrong with that.

                                I stated very clearly I was not trying to belittle anyone or introduce doubt.

                                Like I said I just have come to different conclusion.

                                MISLED! We are too arrogant to admit that we could have been wrong this whole time.
                                http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post113013

                                I was afraid this would happen just from me asking. I have been reading the whole time but you have in your traditional style said all kinds of things about Tesla and energy. that I have no reference to further investigate. Pure imagination.
                                And in keeping, when confronted, you act like 12 year old girl worried about her looks. And read entirely too much into a few statements.

                                So I'll go away and continue to read whatever is posted hoping someone will add some facts or show some tests.

                                The reason I ask and want to further understand come from experiments with Earth batteries. I am finding some very peculiar results that may contribute. As yet I do not understand them, and thats why and am looking for the info to help fill in the missing pieces. But of course when I ask for reference YOU get offended and defensive.

                                My one question to Mathew would be this: How are we to get to the bottom of anything if we do not look in even the craziest of places. If we are always looking to what we know do we ever go anywhere new with it?
                                Yes, you can. By allowing multiple points of view to merge with reference to anything that may pertain whether in theory or fact. Keep your eyes open, in other words.

                                Hopefully someone else may the cover what I am asking.

                                Matt

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