Charge conserving Capacitive Spring.

[Armagdn03]

Hello!

I would be very interested to get Hidink involved with this project! His concept is wonderful, and can be made simply in comparison to the patent.

Meditate slash think on the concept of PHASE CHANGES in materials. Ice, water, Vapor etc.

"Nature certainly wishes to conserve energy. Nature also wishes to make more energy at every octave level."

[SilverToGold]

Hey Armagdn03. Great thread.

Did you ever get to do any testing on your salt water dielectric capacitor for the solid state "capacitive spring" setup?

Looked promising.

[DrStiffler]

Hello!

I would be very interested to get Hidink involved with this project! His concept is wonderful, and can be made simply in comparison to the patent.

Meditate slash think on the concept of PHASE CHANGES in materials. Ice, water, Vapor etc.

"Nature certainly wishes to conserve energy. Nature also wishes to make more energy at every octave level."

Ah! here you are.

So you are having a dialog with Hidink? He was sure standoffish with me and we played the who has what game?

What about Dr. Jones? Strange he is forgoing his Nobel for a 10 day road trip.

[Aaron]

yes

Aaron, would you think it's ok for me to post his Facebook id? He seems to not be able to accept instant messages, and it sometimes takes him a while to respond to messages, but we have conversed a few times.

Yes, should be in the public directory anyway so no problem.

[SilverToGold]

Tesla did some work on this variable capacitance device (no surprise here) back in 1891.

http://energythic.com/usercontent/3/..._induction.pdf

Though he said the output is very small.

It seems to me that the power is proportional to the frequency squared. With physical systems, this may not seem all that strange since physical power is proportional to velocity squared.

When you enter the solid state methods, the power could very easily become over unity.

[Armagdn03]

Tesla did some work on this variable capacitance device (no surprise here) back in 1891.

http://energythic.com/usercontent/3/..._induction.pdf

Though he said the output is very small.

It seems to me that the power is proportional to the frequency squared. With physical systems, this may not seem all that strange since physical power is proportional to velocity squared.

When you enter the solid state methods, the power could very easily become over unity.

Thanks for the article, I will look it over!

The power output cannot be said to be "very small" as this has no meaning in what I am trying to explain, and may be directly related to what Tesla observed with that particular device. The power output is directly related to how well the builder understands the variables involved. Check the equations again, they are simple (not frequency squared). Q=VC, Joules = .5*C*V^2, Watts = Coulombs per second, Calculate time constants based on build.

I have already explained EXACTLY what dictates power output, twice I think!

Watts = coulombs per second, the more coulombs you can move per unit time the more work you can do.

Thus the conditions which affect power output are

1)Capacitance of the capacitors (total charge held) Q=VC

2)Starting voltage across caps (Total charge held) Q=VC

3)Impedance of the load (Time constants, dictates coulombs per second or watts)

4)Switching speed (directly related to time constants)

5)Limit on how quickly one can switch between between conductive plasma phase and non conductive phase.

[Armagdn03]

I personally have contacted Joseph Hiddink. Facebook! He's alive and well, but VERY saddened and obsessed with his discovery/invention because no one (governments, manufacturing, r&d) has taken him seriously and helped him develop it.

Aaron, would you think it's ok for me to post his Facebook id? He seems to not be able to accept instant messages, and it sometimes takes him a while to respond to messages, but we have conversed a few times.

I really believe that if he saw a great interest in this, he would love to help out.... He does want to develop it commecially, but it's so simple and he doesn't seem to mind, and actually encourages its development.



And one more very interesting side note:

RogerArrick.com Roger Arrick Mystery Orb







more pictures are on the page

A metal sphere was found in a rive and x-rays were taken. It is 2 concentric spheres with a gas discharge tube in the middle surrounded by a metal cylinder. A wire runs to each sphere, the cylinder, and each end of the discharge tube. I've downloaded and backed up these pictures because it's vital PROOF that the government/militarily/machine uses this technology, and poor Joseph doesn't get a dime.

That's right, this not only produces high voltage, but the negative pulse has a matter repulsion effect and a positive pulse has an attraction effect.

Incase you didn't connect the dots....it's a flying saucer propulsion device

Incredible pictures thank you, I have contacted Mr. Joseph Hidink via facebook.

[SilverToGold]

Armagdn03,

Coulombs per second = Amps (I)

But upon further reflection, I believe you are correct. Power is directly proportional to the frequency since for each cycle, a discrete amount of power is given.

My mis-thought was that I=Q/s, Power across resistor = R*I^2, so Power = R*(Q/s)^2, Q ~ Freq... so Power ~ Freq^2. This is not correct for this model due to it's discrete nature.

But if we were to increase the frequency to the point that it is no longer "discrete", by going to such a high frequency that we are way under the RC time constant (period << RC), we would be getting into some very interesting power effects. Basically at this point, the power output would be exponential! That would only be possible with a solid state design or VERY large capacitors.

Thanks for the article, I will look it over!

The power output cannot be said to be "very small" as this has no meaning in what I am trying to explain, and may be directly related to what Tesla observed with that particular device. The power output is directly related to how well the builder understands the variables involved. Check the equations again, they are simple (not frequency squared). Q=VC, Joules = .5*C*V^2, Watts = Coulombs per second, Calculate time constants based on build.

I have already explained EXACTLY what dictates power output, twice I think!

Watts = coulombs per second, the more coulombs you can move per unit time the more work you can do.

Thus the conditions which affect power output are

1)Capacitance of the capacitors (total charge held) Q=VC

2)Starting voltage across caps (Total charge held) Q=VC

3)Impedance of the load (Time constants, dictates coulombs per second or watts)

4)Switching speed (directly related to time constants)

5)Limit on how quickly one can switch between between conductive plasma phase and non conductive phase.

[Raui]

Excellent Andrew! When I read that this come to mind.

3) Discontinue the practice of habitually exchanging the terms power and energy as if they are equivalent, they are not. Engines are not motors, etc.

For anyone who doesn't quite understand this. Energy maybe conserved but theoretically we can derive an almost infinite power from small amount of energy, remember that it is power that turns out motors, lights our lightbulbs etc etc. Time is where our energy comes from and our circuits are powered by time (in a sense atleast).

For example;
Say we change a systems energy by one joule. That statement means absolutely nothing without a time factor. If we change the energy by 1 joule per second we have 1 watt, not a very powerful exchange. However if we moved 1 joule in a 10th of a second our result is; 1/0.1 = 10W or perhaps even 100th of a second; 1/0.01 = 100W and just incase you haven't caught yet consider 1 thousandth of a second; 1/0.001 = 1000W or 1kW

So you can see that in every joule of energy is the ability to do deliver many watts in our circuit, the factor of consideration is not so much how many energy can be derived from a system but the speed of this exchange which is what we should exploit.

Raui

[Web000x]

Who has a solution to an efficient high ratio capacity variation that is easily controllable?

I have seen some options, but they do not have the C(High)/C(Low) ratios that I really want.

Dave

[Armagdn03]

Who has a solution to an efficient high ratio capacity variation that is easily controllable?

I have seen some options, but they do not have the C(High)/C(Low) ratios that I really want.

Dave

This is an excellent question to brainstorm! I really think the hidink method is great, but requires very high voltage.

Ideas???

Ill get the ball rolling,

Think electrostatic speaker used in reverse. acoustically drive the capacitor, rather than using the capacitor to create an acoustic signal. Flexible membranes at the end of a tube driven at resonance.

[Armagdn03]

Armagdn03,

Coulombs per second = Amps (I)

But upon further reflection, I believe you are correct. Power is directly proportional to the frequency since for each cycle, a discrete amount of power is given.

My mis-thought was that I=Q/s, Power across resistor = R*I^2, so Power = R*(Q/s)^2, Q ~ Freq... so Power ~ Freq^2. This is not correct for this model due to it's discrete nature.

But if we were to increase the frequency to the point that it is no longer "discrete", by going to such a high frequency that we are way under the RC time constant (period << RC), we would be getting into some very interesting power effects. Basically at this point, the power output would be exponential! That would only be possible with a solid state design or VERY large capacitors.

This is a good point, and I think I may have touched on this at the begining of the thread.

If we stay at the 1st time constant we can accomplish more work than using all five, bit of a duh factor there.

Really the parameter which is going to affect this the most is the limit on ionization and de-ionization of the gas in the tube, the patent states quenching additives are common to those skilled in the art.

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

I figure I don't really need to post Hiddink's id, since I see some of you already found him on Facebook.

Dr. Stiffler,
I can't relate to Hiddink being standoffish. I simply told him I was a young experimenter who had come to the conclusion that his device worked with the kind of effect I am researching. I actually decided to contact him only once I had seen the web page with the x-ray photos of the sphere, because that really confirmed it 100% in my mind that what he says it true. I asked him what kind of experiments he did and if he could recommend how I should replicate the effect, and if there was anything I should be warned about to avoid doing. He gave me a description of his early couple of experiments and made some suggestions, but most of what he said I had already found on the internet elsewhere which he had told others previously.




As far as switching speeds are concerned, I'm thinking maybe it can be affected in a stage AFTER the gas discharge tube, to eliminate the deionization rate from being a variable that limits output. Why does that sphere have 2 outer capacitor plates, not just 1? Yet a wire goes to each one. Could it be that the space between acts as a spark gap/multipactor/avalanche zone? Increasing the speed of discharge? Look at Pranav2010's latest video of his Gray tube experiment. YouTube - &#x202a;plasma ignition aaron three point mixing&#x202c;&rlm; You can see the discharges shoot out of each hole in the grid about 2 inches outwards. Is it John Bedini that says you don't want to catch all that discharge, and that's why you use grids? Well as far as I can tell, the outer SOLID plate is what makes the difference between Hiddink and Gray.

[SilverToGold]

I can't find it now but I remember reading somewhere that Hiddink wrote that his patent was missing some critical information that would prevent people from being able to reproduce his effects exactly as he had done it. He said he was concerned that bad people might get hold of it and do some bad things. Guess he doesn't know that the bad people already have it and his secrecy only hurts the good people trying to reproduce his work.

Maybe the reason his patent was granted in the first place was because these same bad apples in the secret government already saw that his patent wouldn't work as is. And having miss-information out there is good for them since someone builds it, it doesn't work as stated and they move on.

Perhaps the double layer capacitor plates are the missing info that makes the whole thing work! Missing from his patent. But didn't he know that if his patent doesn't work that it basically is no good??? LOL, I hope he answers some of these questions.

If he wants more publicity for his work, he should make a guess appearance here and I'm sure it'll stir people's interest in his work.

I'd love to hear his comments on this missing info in his patents, but it seems he's interested in trying to commercialize his idea. Instead of so much secrecy and going after major societal shifts (which will NOT happen in this world ruled by evil soulless interest), he would be better off licensing it in "toys". Perhaps a special table top high voltage "Tesla" sphere for people to play with. The less threatening his use, the more likely it will work if his interest is commercialization.

Personally, I think he would be better off just getting rid of the secrecy and sharing all his info in a book or something that lots of people could buy and more people can work on. That is about the ONLY way he'll ever get his idea really out there. Look how good his secrecy has served his idea so far. His patent was in 1978, he has nothing to show for it. Being selfish with your ideas only hurts you and in the end hurts everyone else. It's the rule of reciprocity and it never fails. Forget the governments which I read you tried to give it to (they have ALL sold out), give it to the people!

And I bet he's lost lots of money on it also. Hold nothing back and give it all to the world Mr Hiddink! You will prosper and so will the world! Forget the fools game of making millions and work on giving, the world will give you back what you give and wouldn't you sleep better knowing an army of people are out there bring your dream to reality and helping the world?

As far as switching speeds are concerned, I'm thinking maybe it can be affected in a stage AFTER the gas discharge tube, to eliminate the deionization rate from being a variable that limits output. Why does that sphere have 2 outer capacitor plates, not just 1? Yet a wire goes to each one. Could it be that the space between acts as a spark gap/multipactor/avalanche zone? Increasing the speed of discharge? Look at Pranav2010's latest video of his Gray tube experiment. YouTube - &#x202a;plasma ignition aaron three point mixing&#x202c;&rlm; You can see the discharges shoot out of each hole in the grid about 2 inches outwards. Is it John Bedini that says you don't want to catch all that discharge, and that's why you use grids? Well as far as I can tell, the outer SOLID plate is what makes the difference between Hiddink and Gray.

[SilverToGold]

From: "Joseph Hiddink" <vliegschotel@yahoo.com>
To: <sterlingda@pureenergysystems.com>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007

Patents are expired but I left one insignificant item out to ensure that an unfriendly power would not be able to use it.

When I get enough capital I will have to take at least 1000 patents out. There are myriads of applications. It is like inventing the wheel. Of course I might be on the wrong planet this time around.

You also will understand that it is not something that should go to a University.

Any disgruntled student could zap all the Computers, Cell-phones and even car computers.

Regards, JH

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Joseph. Forget this ill thought out path. Patents are $10,000 US at least a pop! You are thinking in an industrial age mentality and this is NOT the industrial age anymore. It's the Information age.

If you are the one holding this secret back (and I assure you the government agencies already have your secret) and you start to threaten their hold on power with your patents, it will be a simple matter to eliminate you from the equation and keep the status quo.

You fully release this to everyone, you get money for your idea and the world benefits.

I'm a lot less scared of "disgruntled" students zapping cell phones than I am secret government using this to kill it's citizens and blaming it on some scary looking man in a cave.

If Tesla was scared that some mentally ill people might use alternating currents to electrocute someone taking a shower or bath, we'll I guess we'd all be burning candles and riding on horses still.

Learn from the past that the idea of making devices and making money from it when your idea is world changing, WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO WORK. Get with the information age where knowledge is power and can also line your pockets when you share.

Also, it's been 4 years since this email and NOT ONE SINGLE NEW PATENT! You need to get with the times and change your plan, it's not working.