Charge conserving Capacitive Spring.

[boguslaw]

i want to ask if any of you have ever seen a naturally occurring free energy device?

Martin

Very interesting question ! I'm exctited waiting for responses

[Armagdn03]

Hello guys,

Great to see work continue on this topic. I am working on a new thread which can be of use here which covers what could be called "second order circuits".

As to the mag amp effect, It is true that a sharp B-H curve is desirable, but having a bit shallower one may not be a deal breaker either.

The alexanderson style setup is very different from the magnetometer setup each having some interesting characteristics. The magnetometer has mutually coupled coils through induction only, and can alter internally an external magnetic field. However this setup has a drawback. The inductance of the control coil is much higher inductance due to being on an enclosed form, and the inductance of the pickup coil is much lower due to being on an open form. This means the EMF created in the pickup coil will be very low for the amount of turns.

The Alexanderson setup has a "Circle within a circle". This means that both windings are on a closed form and the inductance similar. This setup however is not really as sensitive to an outside magnetic field, except maybe for biasing.

Start thinking in terms of "networks". about creating a "transmission line" which incorporates a parametric element.

This will mimic more a device which goes through the four "symbolic" quadrants of the electric wave.

[nueview]

i have been doing allot of studing and it appears that the magnetic spin is seperate of charge but controls the charge flow.
the magnetic should then be thought of as two tape measures one extended and one retracted and the tapes of both connected at there ends when one is moved out the other is moving in put the spins most be properly ordered for the coil windings to properly order the charge flow or they will cancel and the magnetic will fail.
Martin

[nueview]

Has anyone here seen an example of a naturally occurring free energy device?

well i posted this question the other day and it seems like there are no responders to the question. this would then tend to tell me that most people are guessing as to how it works or if it can even be done with no clue as to what they should be looking for.

it came to me the other day that the natural energy system is setup to be self neutralizing therefore it will always be hard to attain any COP>1 .

there for any physics which will make sense at present will not fit natures profile for overunity.

i will let you know that i have seen three devices naturally produce overunity
and i have only some tests and thoughts as to how it occurs.
but i do know what i am looking for and it is not electron theory that is for children.

for those who would think they can hack my computer for the information forget it i don't keep it on my computer and since i had posted the question i have had several attempts. i learned that no computer is secure ever a long time ago.
Martin

[Web000x]

Magnetite Cores

This is just an update on my first attempt at the Alexanderson Magamp core.

First, I will say that my intitial experiments using magnetite were not as glorious as I had hoped. The permeability of the material seemed to be too low to show any worthwhile results.

My first batch of resin/magnetite mixture was pretty thick as you can see from my resin casting in a previous post. There is only slight room for a thicker mixture in that department, but I am not expecting any drastic increase in improved results.

The first sign of failure was when I took the two mirror windings and tried to use them as a 1:1 transformer before I wound the outer coil. At almost all frequencies from 1 Hz to 2 MHz, there was hardly any energy coupling between the two coils. The only sign of coupling that I was able to see on my scope was when the two coils found resonance. At resonance, the coupling was 10Vp-p in and 10Vp-p out so one can imagine how bad the mutual inductance between the two coils really was.

The second sign was testing the operation of the Magamp. I hooked my LCR meter to the outer coil and placed 3 volts (2 AA batts) across the two series mirror windings. There was no permanent change in inductance(2-3 microhenries at best). The only inductance change that I saw was due to the transient phase of applying 3V to the mirror windings and it only showed on the meter for a brief moment. This might be due to the magnetite not having very high permeability.

I decided to reread the Alexanderson patent #1,328,797 describing the Magamp. This stated that the mirror windings were actually the "variable inductance" and that the control winding was the outer winding. I decided to run my test on the windings in the opposite way as described by the patent. Still I saw no difference in the overall result.

Magnetite may have the low hysteresis losses that Bill Muller needed for his generator coils, but it might not have the high permeability that we are all looking for in building the Alexanderson Magamps.

A quote by Ted Ewert

I've built quite a few magnetite cores. Some of the the advantages they have are:
Ease of construction
Resistance to heat build up when used with neodymium magnets.
High electrical resistance when mixed with resin.
High resistance to eddy currents.
Disadvantage:
Lower conductivity to magnetic flux.
Mechanically weaker than steel.
A very good core material is mixing magnetite with #7 steel shot. This combo is much more permeable, yet still maintains the desirable attributes of pure magnetite. BBs are another option, but they don't have the area density of small steel shot. Steel shot is also annealed for softness, which is perfect for core material.

Ted

@SilverToGold,
How did your tests compare?

Dave

P.S. In the defense of magnetite cores, I did not complete the outer magnetic loop of the core with magnetite resin. I used two chunks of magnetic steel to complete the loop. If there were going to be any sign of magnetite being the way to go, this half-assed way of completing the loop would have at least been sufficient for initial tests in showing some variation of inductance. Wouldn't you think?

[boguslaw]

I wondering if that was the same Ernst Alexanderson who created variable magnetic flux alternator used in early radio transmitter , also in Bolinas.
OTB - Below 535, A Historical Review of Continuous Wave Radio Frequency Power Generators

[SilverToGold]

Pretty much the same, I thought it was probably due to the bubbles in my magnetite casting so the magnetic "circuit" was broken - hence my poor results. When I attach a magnet to one end of the core, the other end is not magnetic at all! This is not a good sign in my view. Try this with yours and see if you get any magnetism at the other end of your casted core.

The resonance coupling may just be through the medium (air), I saw the same thing also but at around 5+ MHz in my case. Didn't try to put any power through it so don't know if it really could deliver any real power. So the coupling might be really weak.

Haven't done any more right now due to other things coming up but will get to it eventually.

@SilverToGold,
How did your tests compare?

[SilverToGold]

All power comes from stars, it drives everything. This is what Tesla said and was his great revelation. So depending on your point of view, everything is COP > 1 but is it engineerable into something that can drive your car or power your light bulb in some manner is the question.

Life is COP > 1. Life taps all of it's energy from the stars and is irrepressible. But I don't really know how to tap into that life energy force to drive my car.

Why is the sky blue? It ain't because the lie they tell you in school that blue light is refracted by the atmosphere! If that were the true reason, the sky would be a rainbow color just like any other homogenous refracting medium but it IS NOT. The blue is the life energy force that surrounds the planet and that surrounds all life.

Martin, why the secrets? If you know something, I've got the perfect means to protect it.... SHARE IT. They no one has any reason to crack into your computer and the only people that would do that anyways - already have the secret and only want to see if you have it also.

Has anyone here seen an example of a naturally occurring free energy device?

well i posted this question the other day and it seems like there are no responders to the question. this would then tend to tell me that most people are guessing as to how it works or if it can even be done with no clue as to what they should be looking for.

it came to me the other day that the natural energy system is setup to be self neutralizing therefore it will always be hard to attain any COP>1 .

there for any physics which will make sense at present will not fit natures profile for overunity.

i will let you know that i have seen three devices naturally produce overunity
and i have only some tests and thoughts as to how it occurs.
but i do know what i am looking for and it is not electron theory that is for children.

for those who would think they can hack my computer for the information forget it i don't keep it on my computer and since i had posted the question i have had several attempts. i learned that no computer is secure ever a long time ago.
Martin

[nueview]

one of the items has to do with cold fusion towers creating heat.but how does it make water?

the next was a three phase motor i was a young boy at the time but the three phase 50hp motor ran away until it ripped itself apart. How?
if this is governed by the generator phase?

next was an induction motor driving a disc with magnets on it and a u shaped channel ring it was mounted on four adjusting bolts and as it vibrated the motor speed up it then began overheating but was back feeding power. How?

i cannot explain any of these occurrences with any duplication but obviously there is a way as nature did them.

years of electronics does not but any of these to rest for me the electron is not the answer either so it must reside in field actions using an induction motor to drive another as a generator yielded no power output but there was a continual power flow between ground with a powerful arcing and when a plate was put between the two the generator came full on what was the magnetic field transfer and how.

some of the answers i am finding reading Walter Russel and Keely and Tesla as long as i look from a point of field interactions then it becomes clear that natural field action is set to a self correcting mode. but under the correct set of circumstances it can go into overdrive gathering more than it needs and perhaps that is the problem keeping it in check.

i follow dale pond and Dr Stiffler and a few others like the don smith device and the kapanadze devices seem closest to what i have seem.
Martin

[SilverToGold]

Martin, those do sound interesting. When you describe a motor running a generator, that makes me think of the Lockridge device. Have you looked into that thread by Peter Lindemann? Seems that some people under German dictatorship during the war constructed a device just like you describe to get power during the obvious power outages of a war.

I myself have never seen a device operate at COP > 1 in real life... though I believe it must exist since all power is derived from stars. There has to be a way to tap into that energy. This thread here holds the best promise of such a device in my opinion... though there are obviously numerous ways to achieve this tapping into the wheelwork of nature.

[Web000x]

Pretty much the same, I thought it was probably due to the bubbles in my magnetite casting so the magnetic "circuit" was broken - hence my poor results. When I attach a magnet to one end of the core, the other end is not magnetic at all! This is not a good sign in my view. Try this with yours and see if you get any magnetism at the other end of your casted core.

The resonance coupling may just be through the medium (air), I saw the same thing also but at around 5+ MHz in my case. Didn't try to put any power through it so don't know if it really could deliver any real power. So the coupling might be really weak.

Haven't done any more right now due to other things coming up but will get to it eventually.

I tried the magnetization test with my core. You're right. No the magnetic lines of force don't extend themselves through the material. ZERO magnetism was seen at the opposite end.

I decided to do a further test and see if it was the ratio of magnetite density to resin density that was causing the lack of permeability. I took my 10 lb bag of magnetite and flattened out a corner to about 1" thick. I took my 2" diamter x 1" thick neo magnet and put it on one side of the flattened portion of the bag of magnetite. The magnetism felt on the opposite side of the bag was approximately the same as if there were no magnetite there at all. Magnetite (on a particle level) seems to not cohere the magnetism at all. It only aligns with the lines of force and allows the lines of force to continue in the direction they were curling before the magnetite was introduced into the field.

My bag of magnetite is listed as Fe3O4. Maybe Peter Lindemann's glorification of magnetite came from using impure samples of the stuff. For example, he lists quite a few different particles found in Muller's magnetite in his lecture on "The World of Free Energy". It may be that all of the different materials worked together to create some "super core" that actually worked well. If anybody has access to any naturally occurring black sand, maybe you could separate it with a magnet and try making a core to test the results.

As for my direction, I think it is time for a different core material. Raui, how is it coming on the Metglas query? Have you sent them any specs? If not, you should REALLY consider making the core detachable so that it will make winding these things a whole lot easier to test different configurations.

Dave

[Web000x]

the next was a three phase motor i was a young boy at the time but the three phase 50hp motor ran away until it ripped itself apart. How?
if this is governed by the generator phase?

next was an induction motor driving a disc with magnets on it and a u shaped channel ring it was mounted on four adjusting bolts and as it vibrated the motor speed up it then began overheating but was back feeding power. How?

i cannot explain any of these occurrences with any duplication but obviously there is a way as nature did them.

I noticed that you didn't list Eric Dollard as one of the sources that you have looked into for answers for some of these phenomena that you have observed. Have you read his books titled Symbolic Representation of Alternating Electric Waves or Symbolic Representation of the Generalized Electric Wave?

In the first book, Symbolic Representation of Alternating Electric Wave, on page 38, you can see the four quadrant graph that denote power factors. Current electrical theory only looks at the two quadrants associated with consumption of electrical energy. However, there are also two quadrants that are symbolic of energy production.

The two quadrants of energy production are not normally encountered in daily situations because most motors are engineered to stay within the quadrants of consumption since most engineers are not aware of the quadrants of production. The quadrants of consumption are within the +90 degree(0 + j1) thru 0 degree(1 + j0) thru -90 degree(0 - j1) VI phase shifts encountered in alternating currents.

However, when you start to get into situations where the synchronous reactance starts causing phase angles of +90 degree(0 + j1) thru 180 degree(-1 + j0) thru -90 degree(0 - j1) VI phase shifts, you are operating in the quadrants of production of electrical energy. You now have a negative power factor.

These production of energy quadrants were more than likely what you were observing when you watched those motors take off and create energy. The motors that you observed probably started into a transient oscillation that could not be controlled because it was operating in the negative power factor quadrants.

Quote by Eric Dollard:

I personally created so much Electricity form the square root of minus one out of the compressor plant’s synchronous machines at the Richmond Ship-yard that I was working in at the time (which also housed one of my laboratories) that it tripped the reverse power relays of the Richmond substation and shut off all power to the City of Richmond. For that to have happened, means that the City of Richmond was producing more power than it was consuming, hence the reverse power relays tripped and shut the city down.

All of these free energy phenomena seem to have some kind of underlying theme which have to do with parameter variation with respect to time.

I don't have enough room to attach the PDF's of the two books, but if you're interested, let me know and we can figure something out.

Dave

[nueview]

@ Webooox
sounds more like don smith when he was talking about coating a disc with very sectors of magnetic difusing material so that the field could be altered to the generating coils running in resonance with the drive motor.
this is good information to have.

@silvertogold
i don't know if you remember any of john bedini's early work but it was very similar to the lockridge device.
i think it is like some of the things i have you see them and then you know it can be done but it doesn't happen every day so it isn't a real common thing.

something i did find a long time ago and just resently got accredited to me has to do with electrostatic machines they can build a large potential and if you use the charge from the neutralizing connectors you can keep a light lit continously with the sustained high voltage and rapid charge displacement.

hydrogen makes a plasma that is white and it is easy to get and to put under a slight vacuum so could the egyptians have had electric lights i an sure that they did. i got into this because my son was interested it the egyptian light.

this also got me to capacitive generators. charge replication is very easy and could be part of the best way to get at free energy i was watching Dr Stifflers latest you tube set and he is pulling power at a good rate directly from the enviroment it is good to see this producing arcs from a charged cap.

energy devices seem to get to a point of just having a few components usually a few 2 coils a cap and a few diodes or a transistor or spark gap i find this interesting.
Martin

[nueview]

hi dave
i have seen some of eric dollards work but i do not have his books and yes this is very similar to what i have seen.
in a resent test we did we found some interesting effects occur on our unit it seemed that the power was going up from harmonic level to next harmonic level 60 hz to 7.5 hz to 1.12hz at the latter point it was dimming all the shop lights with a thumping sound generated this was very unusual.
i would be interested in the books and his concepts.
Martin

[Web000x]

Here is a website that has just about everything that is floating around on the internet that is Dollard related.

Directory contents of /pdf/Eric_Dollard_Document_Collection/

It contains both of the books that I referenced.

Dave