fuelless engine

[cikljamas]

Hello folks!
I made one so called fuelless engine this morning, and this spiral coil
gives me over 2000 V, i can not measure with my instruments over
2000 V, so i dont know indeed what is exact V on the stage, i power
this coil just with ordinary 12 V battery...NOw, how to use these voltage ?
Anyone made that stuff before me ? Any suggestions ? I dont have much
experience with HV, so i am in trouble, a feel like guy who found some
dangerous weapon and now dont know what to do with that
And there is one other dangerous thing : rotor is spinning like hell ...

[cikljamas]

Well, see this video for begining :
YouTube - MVI 0743 0

[cikljamas]

Thank you, that looks promising. Could you now show us what I ask you for.

That is kind of pancake coil, i think...I didnt make it following some special
rules, i just wounded one 23 awg (a lot of turns)wire around one plastic
circle (former sound carrier) ...Concerning electronic circuit : Almost
noething, one diode 4007 from battery + to one side of the coil, then
bridge rectifier from both side of the coil and from bridge + to battery +,
and from bridge - to battery -, one 220 ohms resistor between bridge +
and battery +, and capacitor 10 mikro F 220 V between bridge rectifier
and battery which came down rampage of the voltage in thousands...
NOw, if i make even more turns of wire for that spiral coil and if i put
better capacitor (for that i need help from forum memebers, which one,
if somebody know ?) than i could reach more voltage for sure, and maybe
even more amps on the output...What do you think about that ?
And the best part could be better electronic circuit though there is almost
no circuit at all, except bridge rectifire, and one resistor, and one diode 4007...
May i ask you something ? What made you say that looks promising though
i think to it is promising, but i am interesting to see your reasons for such
statement ?

[Farmhand]

Extra 12 Milliamperes ?

Hello cikljamas, I like your video, do you say you are gaining 12 Ma to a charging battery ? It's a little hard to tell from the video except for what you say, if so, well done Is the 16 volts or so that I see on the meter in the video measured on the capacitor ?

Spiral coil is not bifiler opposite wound ? A drawing would be nice I would like to try that. It is a fueless engine with basic circuit ? It's interesting because the fueless engine drawings I have seen require 300 v or more and several electromagnets. If there wasn't so much to the one's I have seen, I would have built one already. The more simple something is the better I like it.

Could you draw a diagram. please. Just ignore any detractors they waste thier own energy.

Thanks for sharing you work with us.

Regards

[cikljamas]

Hello cikljamas, I like your video, do you say you are gaining 12 Ma to a charging battery ? It's a little hard to tell from the video except for what you say, if so, well done Is the 16 volts or so that I see on the meter in the video measured on the capacitor ?

Spiral coil is not bifiler opposite wound ? A drawing would be nice I would like to try that. It is a fueless engine with basic circuit ? It's interesting because the fueless engine drawings I have seen require 300 v or more and several electromagnets. If there wasn't so much to the one's I have seen, I would have built one already. The more simple something is the better I like it.

Could you draw a diagram. please. Just ignore any detractors they waste thier own energy.

Thanks for sharing you work with us.

Regards

Hello Farmhand, you saw all things rights, why you dont believe your own
eyes ? (joke) ...Yes, 12 mA to a charging battery which is the same battery,
it means primary battery is also charging battery, nothing unusual, and 16,5 V
goes in charging battery...instruments on the left measure INput, on the right
OUtput, and everything is in good resolution, so...Yes, 16 V on the capacitor,
same thing as in bedini motors...It is a fuelless engine with a basic circuit...
And what is most important it is not bifiler opposite wound, you didnt read
my last poste, i wrote all details about circuit, everything is in there...
I encourage you to do this thing, i made two of this motors in two days,
this one in this video is second, with stronger magnets, and with more turns
of coil, but i am going to do third coil with even more turns than this one i
use in video, but what i am not sure is what kind of capacitor i could use to
improve voltage instead of this regular one (10 microF 220 V) ???
If there is any other unclearness i will be glad to help...

Regards

[boguslaw]

place 10000uF 35V capacitor parallel to battery and run then after a while disconnect

[cikljamas]

Try and draw a diagram with the paint program on windows and save it as a jpeg type file. Then upload it for us.
It is not easy to understand your description.

I was afraid so, yes, i know from my own experience, it is not easy to
understand things without drawings, so, voila...

place 10000uF 35V capacitor parallel to battery and run then after a while disconnect

Hi, Boguslaw ! Do you, by the chance, suppose how much i could get
improvement in voltage raise with such a capacitor ? Thanks anyway !

REgards !

[cikljamas]

You have to measure and see how long it takes to fill up a cap of 10 000uf to say 24V when it is not connected to a battery.
If it happens say in a second you got a winner I would say. Then you could discharge it like john Bedini does into the battery when it reaches about 24V.
I will have a look at your diagram and try to neat it up for you.

Thank nvisser ! In a few hours, i hope i will have some more informations
for you about some improvements that i am going to implement to my
motor...more turns of spiral coil, i am going just to add more wounds (there
is enough space below my former sound carrier for significantly number
of added turns) in existing coil instead to make new one ( to spare the time),
and i am going to see if i could use few electrolytic capacitors of 2200 mikroF
that i already have in my storage, and than we ll see what is going on...

[MrMagAmp]

Back Emf from the coil?

cikljamas

Have you tried to run a little light bulb directly from the collapsing magnetic field of the coil?
Some time ago, I read something about that.

You need to use a diode for using only the energy from the magnetic collapse, and then use a capacitor to run the little light bulb.

A mechanism similar to this video:

YouTube - back emf testing

[cikljamas]

I did it and i tested it, and now i am not sure which one combination
is better : Before this change situation was this :
1. input mAmps = 100
2. output mAmps = 12,5
3. output voltage = 16,5
After change situation is this :
1. input mAmps = 75
2. output mAmps = 2
3. output voltage = 25

If we multiply 12,5 by 16,5 we have better result
then if we multiply 2 by 25...But, maybe there is some
logic that makes this 25 volts worth of dissipation of
10,5 mAmps on the output...If it is so, what logic would it be ?

[cikljamas]

Hm, 100 * 12,5 = 1,2 W
12,5 * 16,5 = about 200 mW
1,2 - 0,200 = 1 W

Second situation :
75 * 12,5 = 0,900 mW
2 * 25 = 50 mW
0,900 - 0,050 = 0,850 W

So in second situation we spend less current then in first situation,
that seems though better, but i d still like to know what is real
good side of this 24 or 25 V....Could someone explain this ?
Is it logic which i presented above, or there is something more
then that ?

[cikljamas]

Here is your circuit as I see it.
You can open it with paint and edit it. I will remove it after a while to free space .
I don't know why you use the diode and resistor.
I am not sure of your commutator and your coils dimensions. I am also not sure what magnet polarities you use on your rotor.
An easy test will be to see if your battery run down over time or charge.
If it charges you got a winner . If not start studying John Bedidni's SSG circuits and learn from it.
Do you get any useful torque on that rotor?
You cannot measure the reactive power (flyback pulses) with a meter. It will not give you the correct reading. In fact John Bedini said what you measure there is the power you waste.

Why do you call it the fuelless engine?

Well, i spend all day, yesterday measuring this stuff, and after all
i am not sure what is going on indeed...First i added a lot of turns,
then i cut it twice because i was not sure if this added wire make
some bad things for motor (a little slow down of the rotor for instance),
one of my analog instruments has broken (fuse didnt protect it, and not
just that, fuse was not broken at all, and there is fuse AND diode protection,
crap, and other analog on the output if i turn 25 mAmps, goes to the end,
and when i turn it to 250 mAmps needle doesnt move at all...my brains are
boiling mad...but i achived to spin the rotor again well by threw out the 4007
and after all i got 30 V, and i dont know how much mAmps ( maybe 25 )
on the output...IT is a big battery, i have to wait long time to see if it drains
or if it charges, is there some faster method to see if i got winner or not ?
Your draw is correct, there is no need for edit it...
Resistor is for calming rampage of voltage on the output (when you change
the number of wire wounds you got to adjust it with pot.)
I made a lot of bedini ssgs, as well as window motors...
Torque is as strong as in bedinis window motor, and stronger then ssgs are...
How come we can not measure reactive power, what about the others,
they all measure theirs voltages and mAmps input and output when they
show they bedinis on youtube ???

[cikljamas]

Here is an old post from JB.

"There is NO free electricity produced in these systems, or any other system that I know of. I have stated this repeatedly. The only thing these systems produce are a series of "high voltage spikes" that have no current associated with them. Voltage without current is the nature of Radiant Energy. This is what Tesla said. I call this "reactive power" because it does not represent voltage and current simultaneously, that could be measured as WATTS. This Radiant Reactive power WILL charge batteries, light light-bulbs and other things but it DOES NOT meter as REAL POWER.

Man, from this sentence i could finally learn something...Thank you very
much for that sentence !

Could you maybe try the following circuit to see how fast it charge up a certain cap to a certain voltage to try and determine how potent this pancake coil is

Before i do that, you have to see my new video i just uploaded to youtube
and read my describe about what happens when i do one little change and
what i could not record because of limited capacitance on my memory
card...But i can not use this video yet, i dont know why, it is stil unprocessed
as youtube say to me whenever i try to see it...We have to wait a little bit
more...

[cikljamas]

I am still curious why you call it the fuelless motor.

Because it is the name of it ! I didnt give the name to this project, i just
replicated it with some changes, thats all...
Well, this youtube **** still doesnt work...
Maybe they dont work on sunday...
I am in temptation to describe (description is noun isnt it?,hahha)
content of that video while i am waiting youtube **** to start to
work...I start the motor and voltage of battery oscillate between 13-15 V,
(it seems that battery is in charging process, according that voltage),
mAmps drain = 90, and voltage of capacitor is unreadable , but when i
connect (that is that little change) minus of capacitor directly to minus of
battery than we got about 100 V on the capacitor, and voltage of battery
oscillate between 12,50-12,70...
What do you say about that ?

[cikljamas]

Finally, here is video :
YouTube - new video fuelless engine