Seriously .... has anyone been successful?

[berilium16]

Hi everyone,

For a long time now I've been looking for a power source ... I just want to know if anyone has been successful in achieving OU or energy conversion whatever you want to call it.

So ?

If someone has been successful then speak now or forever hold your piece

[boguslaw]

do tornado, cyclone,lightning exists in nature ?
well, I think God was successful

[EgmQC]

Hi everyone,

For a long time now I've been looking for a power source ... I just want to know if anyone has been successful in achieving OU or energy conversion whatever you want to call it.

So ?

If someone has been successful then speak now or forever hold your piece

The only 2 person that i know are Peter Lindemann and Eric P. Dollard.

Here 2 message post by them that you must read.
Peter Lindemann : http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post80535
Eric P. Dollard : http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post90090

[Matthew Jones]

This same question pops up every other month. Do you not look through the archived forums threads?
To date I do not think anything HUGE has been revealed but lots of little test cases that show everything we state is possible and probably more.

Are you contributing? Or are you a skeptic ready to knock things down because he has no means to try?

Matt

[kippered]

I cant personally prove any claims but am going to try through experimentation because the possibility of what we can achieve is important enough.

Try yourself, inspire someone else or remain a sceptic

[berilium16]

I'm no skeptic ... I am trying to find someone who will put their success out for everyone to see

I've been making devices and coils and ... trying to replicate as well as I can (I'm no EE) whatever I think I can make. I have also been trying different combinations and variations along the way.

so ya dont take it the wrong way, I have been reading mega tons of stuff I read a lot from Lindemann and the ebooks I could find from Dollard also a bunch of other stuff like PJK and Tesla but maybe I just have bad methods for replications

anyway I dont want to seem like a skeptic cause I'm not in fact I'm and enthusiast albeit an amateur although I'm learning every step of the way

the purpose of this thread is to see if anyone has done it on this forum and if so please post so everyone can make one k thanks bye

[kippered]

Fair response and well put

There is enough misinformation out there to discourage even the most optimistic soul. I believe that many of the claims are true but will not commit fully until I see it demonstrated in person, build it myself or better yet witness someone’s success in bringing it to the world stage.

[boguslaw]

don't kill the dipole

we can have two strongmans pulling the same rope and no effects ? sure,it depend how they do that, the arrangement of strongmans

[Peter Lindemann]

Understanding Principles

Hi everyone,

For a long time now I've been looking for a power source ... I just want to know if anyone has been successful in achieving OU or energy conversion whatever you want to call it.

So ?

If someone has been successful then speak now or forever hold your piece

Dear Berilium16,

The only person I have seen, routinely build self-running machines, is John Bedini. One system I saw ran for 6 weeks, swapping batteries from the back to the front, and at the end, the system was shut off because it was clear that it would continue to do it indefinitely. This was in 2002. Another machine had only one battery, and it ran for 24 hours straight and the battery did not drop even 1/100th of a volt. This was in 2007. Besides this, John's "Tesla Switch" systems run for an intolerably long time, running loads and maintaining the battery charge. There is an awesome thread at this forum on this topic.

The problem for the rest of us is that John is a genius, a brilliant electronic circuit designer, a trained machinist and a master model builder. Beyond this, he is an extremely careful observer of his experiments, a workaholic, and has cultivated a remarkable attitude which I observe as "a complete indifference to success". He just keeps trying everything he can think of, running dozens of minute variations on the same experiment. He also keeps meticulous notes. When he has exhausted his exploration, he just goes back and knows exactly what he needs to do to make the system work.

John's shop has lathes, mills, shears, brakes, band saws, drill presses, cut-off saws, welding equipment, hydraulic presses, routers, and every kind of hand tool imaginable. Add to this circuit design software, circuit board printing equipment, circuit board etching equipment, soldering equipment, over 100,000 electronic parts in stock, power supplies, oscilloscopes, test equipment up the yin-yang, and the list goes on and on. John owns all of these things and knows how to use every bit of it. I don't know anyone who can even hold a candle up to this man's beacon. John Bedini is simply the best example among us of what it takes to succeed.

I have a different set of skills, knowledge, and experience than John, and feel no need to list them here.

So, my response to your "speak now or forever hold your peace" challenge, is to say that there really isn't anything we need to answer to.

For the last 3 years, many people have contributed to multiple threads here that show how to build motors, heaters and lighting systems that produce their primary effect AND give back a large proportion of the initiating energy. Very few people have comprehended the significance of what has already been given. This is why John and I have been trying to teach people the physics and the underlying principles of various energy systems. It all seems to fall on deaf ears.

Let me illustrate. If someone gave you a complete set of mechanical drawings for a small lawnmower engine, you might believe you could build one. But let's say they left out two little details simply because they ran out of time when they wrote out the plans. The first detail that is missing is what metals to use to make the parts. The second detail that is missing is the theory of operation. So, without knowing what forces are being harnessed and lacking guidance on specific materials, you might believe you could simply build the whole engine out of aluminum, including cylinders, pistons, rings, valves, valve seats, valve springs, bearings, crankshaft and timing gears. After building the machine to perfection, and when it did not work, because you were also not told to put some oil in the crankcase, you might draw the wrong conclusion that the plans were bogus and the person who gave them to you was a liar.

This is the fallacy of thinking you are going to just build a free energy machine from someone's plans and a parts list, without any understanding. But in the engine example above, if you understood the principle of operation, and also understood that it was your responsibility to bring all of your knowledge and skill to the project, then you might be able to fill in the blanks and get the engine running.

The challenge here is not whether you or anyone else can tell us to "put up or shut up" but that anyone who really wants to contribute positively has to get up off their own inertia, face the facts of the profound state of their ignorance, and begin the monumental effort of expanding their knowledge, experience, and skill set. The people in this forum who are doing this are the ones making significant contributions. In that regard, I would name Aaron, Jetijs, Matthew, Lidmotor, Bits, Ted Ewert and many others as worthy examples.

This post is an incomplete communication. There are many other things I would gladly impart to you for your benefit, but do not have the time.

In closing, I would just request that you cultivate civility in your interactions with other sovereign individuals. After all, we owe you nothing. And since you are offering nothing, the least you can be is polite.

Peter

[SeaMonkey]

Perhaps "impoliteness" is a tactic which stimulates
a 'more lengthy than would otherwise be given' response
to the question.

Things are rarely as we perceive ( or emote) them.

Your "points" which are 'on point' are well taken, however.

The "details" which many would not observe are indeed
where the answers show themselves.

Dear Berilium16,

The only person I have seen, routinely build self-running machines, is John Bedini. One system I saw ran for 6 weeks, swapping batteries from the back to the front, and at the end, the system was shut off because it was clear that it would continue to do it indefinitely. This was in 2002. Another machine had only one battery, and it ran for 24 hours straight and the battery did not drop even 1/100th of a volt. This was in 2007. Besides this, John's "Tesla Switch" systems run for an intolerably long time, running loads and maintaining the battery charge. There is an awesome thread at this forum on this topic.

The problem for the rest of us is that John is a genius, a brilliant electronic circuit designer, a trained machinist and a master model builder. Beyond this, he is an extremely careful observer of his experiments, a workaholic, and has cultivated a remarkable attitude which I observe as "a complete indifference to success". He just keeps trying everything he can think of, running dozens of minute variations on the same experiment. He also keeps meticulous notes. When he has exhausted his exploration, he just goes back and knows exactly what he needs to do to make the system work.

John's shop has lathes, mills, shears, brakes, band saws, drill presses, cut-off saws, welding equipment, hydraulic presses, routers, and every kind of hand tool imaginable. Add to this circuit design software, circuit board printing equipment, circuit board etching equipment, soldering equipment, over 100,000 electronic parts in stock, power supplies, oscilloscopes, test equipment up the yin-yang, and the list goes on and on. John owns all of these things and knows how to use every bit of it. I don't know anyone who can even hold a candle up to this man's beacon. John Bedini is simply the best example among us of what it takes to succeed.

I have a different set of skills, knowledge, and experience than John, and feel no need to list them here.

So, my response to your "speak now or forever hold your peace" challenge, is to say that there really isn't anything we need to answer to.

For the last 3 years, many people have contributed to multiple threads here that show how to build motors, heaters and lighting systems that produce their primary effect AND give back a large proportion of the initiating energy. Very few people have comprehended the significance of what has already been given. This is why John and I have been trying to teach people the physics and the underlying principles of various energy systems. It all seems to fall on deaf ears.

Let me illustrate. If someone gave you a complete set of mechanical drawings for a small lawnmower engine, you might believe you could build one. But let's say they left out two little details simply because they ran out of time when they wrote out the plans. The first detail that is missing is what metals to use to make the parts. The second detail that is missing is the theory of operation. So, without knowing what forces are being harnessed and lacking guidance on specific materials, you might believe you could simply build the whole engine out of aluminum, including cylinders, pistons, rings, valves, valve seats, valve springs, bearings, crankshaft and timing gears. After building the machine to perfection, and when it did not work, because you were also not told to put some oil in the crankcase, you might draw the wrong conclusion that the plans were bogus and the person who gave them to you was a liar.

This is the fallacy of thinking you are going to just build a free energy machine from someone's plans and a parts list, without any understanding. But in the engine example above, if you understood the principle of operation, and also understood that it was your responsibility to bring all of your knowledge and skill to the project, then you might be able to fill in the blanks and get the engine running.

The challenge here is not whether you or anyone else can tell us to "put up or shut up" but that anyone who really wants to contribute positively has to get up off their own inertia, face the facts of the profound state of their ignorance, and begin the monumental effort of expanding their knowledge, experience, and skill set. The people in this forum who are doing this are the ones making significant contributions. In that regard, I would name Aaron, Jetijs, Matthew, Lidmotor, Bits, Ted Ewert and many others as worthy examples.

This post is an incomplete communication. There are many other things I would gladly impart to you for your benefit, but do not have the time.

In closing, I would just request that you cultivate civility in your interactions with other sovereign individuals. After all, we owe you nothing. And since you are offering nothing, the least you can be is polite.

Peter

[sebosfato]

Man there is a lot of cowards around the world...

Free energy might exist and i'm looking after it, but "they" (those who affirm have found it) will not release it nor for earning money, nor for saving the world... why?

All those who claim have made free energy in the past might miss balls in the middle of their legs, otherwise one would have at least shared the information for the benefit of the mankind... Their selfishness and lack of courage is so big that even if they are not able to bring it commercially out, they don't even share any info...

One that can demonstrate free energy and is not able to bring it out, is a big moron.

For me those who claim have seeing free energy and done nothing are a bunch of lier or gigantic morons.. Is ridiculous that someone have obtained free energy and kept for its own, and left it behind to made other else...

Don't believe in bull****ters...

yes this is direct attack to this cowards...

When i achieve it you will soon know!!!

[berilium16]

Thanks for your response Dr. Lindemann,

I apologize for the strong wording of my first post, it was not intended as something rude. People say that you yourself have built such OU devices. While I understand that these things are not easy to make correctly; I can attest personally to this, they have been made by patient, talented individuals.

What I intended to attain from this line of questioning was a guiding light. I have been reading and reading, in the last 2 years I have probably read 150 books. I have searched the internet, searches leading to more searches as every corner lead to another thing that I needed to learn about. Some of the material may be junk, some may be good I really can't be sure as many came from internet sources.

I know that many great scientific minds are active at this forum and my intention is for someone who knows the who/what/where/when so that I personally can get whatever knowledge is needed for the successful implementation of the theory. While I may not be an MIT grad, I have enough knowledge to replicate most "working" designs if I have access to the theory behind how the thing is supposed to work (and money for parts!)

Let me apologize again for coming across the wrong way, as I stated in my first response this thread was intended to acquire some direction.

Honestly there is far too much animosity ... I'm a friend not a foe. Maybe if we stop fighting each other and make this information available to everyone we could get out from under the boot of the energy cartels. Humanity needs energy, it could set us free.

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Ya want free energy

Man there is a lot of cowards around the world...

Don't believe in bull****ters...

yes this is direct attack to this cowards...

When i achieve it you will soon know!!!

@sebosfato

Take a look! I know you won't understand but my graph is what I produced today. Yes that's right, FREE ENERGY that went back into my house just today. About 3 hrs worth. Like Peter said, unless you stop looking for hand outs you will not be able to do this. I have contributed more than I have seen from you and will continue, but, I am not a coward or a bull***ter. Oh did I mentioned that I developed free energy today?

Take your attacks elseware.

Bit's

[sebosfato]

@sebosfato

Take a look! I know you won't understand but my graph is what I produced today. Yes that's right, FREE ENERGY that went back into my house just today. About 3 hrs worth. Like Peter said, unless you stop looking for hand outs you will not be able to do this. I have contributed more than I have seen from you and will continue, but, I am not a coward or a bull***ter. Oh did I mentioned that I developed free energy today?

Take your attacks elseware.

Bit's

I contributed with all the knowledge i acquired reading and working very hard on experiments to try to create a collaborative knowledge for everyone here...
and i keep working not for money, for the entire humanity.

Then why won't you share your free energy? where it come from? wind solar?

By free energy i meant overunity! sorry...

The attack is directed to those who have and hide it and those who lie saying that had it and didn't fight for it..

not you probably!

So don't take it personal.. . Those who should take it personal hopefully will!

Regards

[ashtweth]

I think if there was a well set up infrastructure or reserved budget for a creative commons or general purpose license to support and grant most of the researchers in the open source FREE energy field it would be up a notch no doubt about it.

Dont forget the forerunners in this Forum that Peter talks about, all work, have normal jobs, (and wives) and/OR NO budget. Collective ways which we point too seems to be the best life skill in this genre, understanding what the altruists (i call them) give us is fundamental, that is one of the reasons we are working to help get support towards a centralized hub or non profit research center.

There is a lot of serious info out there but understanding and applying it seems to be only being done by those with the aptitude to do more experiments and demand less. An educational institute can help. On the other side of the coin There is no doubt in my mind if you create safe conditions in the public eye that researchers like John and others could give us far more and in real time.

What other options are there? Well If you have a million dollars a megawatt you can buy this self contained free energy device from Australia.

YouTube - Free Energy - HIDRO- The Renewable Energy
(Hidro)Based on pressure gradients.

Black light power (Plasma electrolysis) and energy by motion (Energy by Motion) are other commercially available FREE energy devices but require a lot of money (millions per MW) and do not create what a FREE energy system must.

Decentralization or self contained power.SELF SUFFICIENCY. With a corporation's large MW version for sale it still leaves the "cartel mind set" in place and geopolitical control. Is the energy really FREE? NO. Can it be ? YES.

That's why Glen's, Aaron's, Jeff's, Lids, Dr Stiffler's , Matt's etc etc and OPEN SOURCE R and D IS so important. (more names just keeping it short) Others at this time are going for the big bucks, so whilst its renewable energy, its still not a 5-10KW version which can finally get you off the grid.

A self sustaining energy system can lead to complete self sufficient educational programs and help technologies for this ultimate goal like Aquaponics (ORGANIC home food security,). Taking water from the air. Even your car. You can then gather other self sufficient education to create regional currency (local banking reform) for communities.

No banks fee's and no interest. HOW? Based on, there will be more COMMUNITY freedom with a self sufficient FREE energy capacity and combined food sharing co op. A FREE energy device can be packaged at least with this education(We are going to work to do that). Regional currency banks would be the natural progression if you PACKAGE the free energy device with all of its self sufficient capacity.

One 10Kw device can help to do that if it's applied properly,. But its only the members in the open source community with these REAL TIME goals in mind.

It's no coincidence that i can ask Peter and Aaron about big pharma, TJC ,banks and chemical trails plus others and they are awake.. Or Patrick K about sovereignty or the "strawman" law education. This community are the ones in this mindset with this particular education and goals.

Lutech MAY have one of these 5-10kw devices for sale next year, (i doubt it tho) they get delayed a lot tho(patent application and screwy business incompetence). They are not far from me ill go sniff them out and report for ALL. This is why the Steorn SS is ONE of the only things possible for now.

Still, the Doc, Jeff and others in Open source R and D are at least a sure thing. Moray would have probably been one of the most interesting ones, we need infrastructure to help study and for inventors. A center to validate and protect them and create SAFE REAL TIME conditions for them to progress.

EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTE to police interference etc. Many history lessons prove this but the conditions remain un changed.This is what Panacea is in the middle of helping establish at this time.

History lessons as i have said here for YEARS point to this being a START for a secure way. Daniel Dingle has now pass on (Oct 18), bye bye water car .

There will be a lot that would flock to a research and development center of
this type where free energy has its own faculty and home to police any interference, advance educational, educate open source and even provide the public service to help the inventors. How ever we still would work open source, as there is no other way at this time to get it out there.

Ash