JP2005247676 where is this japanese patent?

[sebosfato]

Does anyone know where to find this patent?

[lamare]

The European Patent office has an excellent search facility. Go to:
espacenet — Home page and click "advanced search" in the menu at the left.

Then fill in JP2005247676 at the "Application number:" field and you get:

espacenet — Bibliographic data

Then click "original document" and "save full document" to get a pdf.

This one is 4 pages in japanese. The english abstract reads:

PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED: To decompose water into hydrogen and oxygen by using an ultrasonic machine. ; SOLUTION: Water is decomposed by controlling the wavelength of the ultrasonic machine in accordance with the change of temperature of the water, and the frequency is preferably 100,000 to 1,500,000 Hz. Clean hydrogen can be efficiently obtained and oxygen as well. ; COPYRIGHT: (C)2005,JPO&NCIPI

Note that Puharich also controlled the acoustic wavelength in his WFC using a "resonance sensing resistor", basically a feedback to his modulator:

Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

I am working on this feedback principle in the LTSpice simulator. See my post here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post114287

[tutanka]

The European Patent office has an excellent search facility. Go to:
espacenet — Home page and click "advanced search" in the menu at the left.

Then fill in JP2005247676 at the "Application number:" field and you get:

espacenet — Bibliographic data

Then click "original document" and "save full document" to get a pdf.

This one is 4 pages in japanese. The english abstract reads:



Note that Puharich also controlled the acoustic wavelength in his WFC using a "resonance sensing resistor", basically a feedback to his modulator:

Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

I am working on this feedback principle in the LTSpice simulator. See my post here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post114287

You can semplify a lot using only one IC OSCILLATOR/HALF-BRIDGE DRIVER like IR2153 and IRFP450 mosfets.. in fact Puharich use ONLY alternate voltage and right cell (not metal only). Ask to you why Puharich use dieletric inside injector. Your cell is an antenna and you can tuned simply . REMEMBER MY WORDS.. THE RIGHT WAY IS USE FREE ELECTRONS !!!

[lamare]

You can semplify a lot using only one IC OSCILLATOR/HALF-BRIDGE DRIVER like IR2153 and IRFP450 mosfets.. in fact Puharich use ONLY alternate voltage and right cell (not metal only). Ask to you why Puharich use dieletric inside injector. Your cell is an antenna and you can tuned simply . REMEMBER MY WORDS.. THE RIGHT WAY IS USE FREE ELECTRONS !!!

When you are talking about driving your WFC, yes, you can do that in various ways.

However, if you want to tap the energy for splitting the water out of the ether, you are in essence using the fact that the electric field is an energy source, as I describe in my article at Pes.

One way to get the electric field to give you free energy is to use resonance and especially higher harmonic resonance. With a WFC you can create acoustic resonances inside the fluid. These can go in two directions. Perpendicular with respect to the electrolyser plates and in parallel with the plates. In the case you use concentric tubes that means you can also get resonance in the direction of the pipes. Since the resonance frequency depends on the distance the waves have to travel, the resonance frequencies in the length directions are much lower than the resonance frequencies perpendicular to the plates.

So, I suspect that if you would use higher acoustic resonance frequencies, you will see about the same amount of gas production at lower costs in terms of energy you have to feed into the cell yourself.

This higher harmonic resonance principle can also be used with coils, as Stiffler and Slayer are showing and that is what Meyer and Puharich also used in order to get the system even more efficient.

To sum this up: the more higher harmonic resonators you use, the more bang for the buck you can get, provided you tune everything correctly and match/couple/feed the various resonators in the system carefully.

[tutanka]

When you are talking about driving your WFC, yes, you can do that in various ways.

However, if you want to tap the energy for splitting the water out of the ether, you are in essence using the fact that the electric field is an energy source, as I describe in my article at Pes.

One way to get the electric field to give you free energy is to use resonance and especially higher harmonic resonance. With a WFC you can create acoustic resonances inside the fluid. These can go in two directions. Perpendicular with respect to the electrolyser plates and in parallel with the plates. In the case you use concentric tubes that means you can also get resonance in the direction of the pipes. Since the resonance frequency depends on the distance the waves have to travel, the resonance frequencies in the length directions are much lower than the resonance frequencies perpendicular to the plates.

So, I suspect that if you would use higher acoustic resonance frequencies, you will see about the same amount of gas production at lower costs in terms of energy you have to feed into the cell yourself.

This higher harmonic resonance principle can also be used with coils, as Stiffler and Slayer are showing and that is what Meyer and Puharich also used in order to get the system even more efficient.

To sum this up: the more higher harmonic resonators you use, the more bang for the buck you can get, provided you tune everything correctly and match/couple/feed the various resonators in the system carefully.

Im not interested to copy Meyer, Puharich, Gray, etc... I have understand that free energy is based on free electrons. Using these you can create energy directly. You need only to know right way for free electrons creation and amplification. After you are independent from fossil fuel.

[lamare]

Im not interested to copy Meyer, Puharich, Gray, etc... I have understand that free energy is based on free electrons. Using these you can create energy directly. You need only to know right way for free electrons creation and amplification. After you are independent from fossil fuel.

IMHO, free electric energy is based on the fact that each and every charge carrier in the universe emits an electric field for free, which is spreading at the speed of light and therefore is an energy source. Prof. Claus Turtur explains this very nicely in his paper:
http://www.wbabin.net/physics/turtur1e.pdf

Referenced in my article at Pes:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

If a point charge (for instance an elementary charge) exists since a given moment in time, it emits electric field and field’s energy from the time of its birth without any alteration of its mass. The volume of the space filled with this field increases permanently during time and with it the total energy of the field. But from where does this “new energy” originate? For the charged particle does not alter its mass (and thus its energy), the “new energy” can not originate from the particle itself. This means: The charged particle has to be permanently supplied with energy from somewhere. The situation is also possible for particles, which are in contact with nothing else but only with the vacuum. The consequence is obvious: The particle can be supplied with energy only from the vacuum.

Important is the conclusion, which can be found with logical consequence:

On the one hand the vacuum (= the space) permanently supplies the charge with energy (first paradox aspect), which the charge (as the field source) converts into field energy and emits it in the shape of a field. On the other hand the vacuum (= the space) permanently takes energy away from the propagating field, this means, that space gets back its energy from field during the propagation of the field. This indicates that there should be some energy inside the “empty” space, which we now can understand as a part of the vacuum-energy.

So, IMHO, all this is about how to use this free energy field to move electrons around such that they perform useful work.

[sebosfato]

Hello guys,

Thanks lamar for helping to find it. And is great to know that you are working on puharich design.

Tutanka,

Ho provato a fare quello sistema di naudin pero, non sono riuscito a fare la cosa diventare blu... potresti illuminare questo fatto? Non capisco anche questi elettroni liberi che tu dici ... Ti credo ma non capisco..

I don't understand where this free electrons come from nor how to amplify them, the way you say.

Does it have to do with the electrostatic induction that i'm talking about on the other thread?

Could you please help us? Please

Oh and thanks for the Ic recommendation, seems a very good driver.

Best Regards
Saluti
Fabio

[tutanka]

Hello guys,

Thanks lamar for helping to find it. And is great to know that you are working on puharich design.

Tutanka,

Ho provato a fare quello sistema di naudin pero, non sono riuscito a fare la cosa diventare blu... potresti illuminare questo fatto? Non capisco anche questi elettroni liberi che tu dici ... Ti credo ma non capisco..

I don't understand where this free electrons come from nor how to amplify them, the way you say.

Does it have to do with the electrostatic induction that i'm talking about on the other thread?

Could you please help us? Please

Oh and thanks for the Ic recommendation, seems a very good driver.

Best Regards
Saluti
Fabio

La"cosa" non diventa blu visibilmente ma solo con pellicole altamente fotosensibili o videocamere con l'effetto notturno.
Quando perņ funziona propriamente devi sentire un fischio prodotto dagli elettroni liberi prodotti. La frequenza di oscillazione dipende dal numero di spire che metti attorno al tubo di plexiglas. Avendo la possibilitą di variare la frequenza tramite un potenziomentro lineare puoi facilmente sintonizzare il tubo sulla giusta frequenza. Saluti

P.S. Traduci tu

[sebosfato]

La"cosa" non diventa blu visibilmente ma solo con pellicole altamente fotosensibili o videocamere con l'effetto notturno.
Quando perņ funziona propriamente devi sentire un fischio prodotto dagli elettroni liberi prodotti. La frequenza di oscillazione dipende dal numero di spire che metti attorno al tubo di plexiglas. Avendo la possibilitą di variare la frequenza tramite un potenziomentro lineare puoi facilmente sintonizzare il tubo sulla giusta frequenza. Saluti

P.S. Traduci tu

Ok ho capito. Pero non ho capito dove questi elettroni saranno liberati, e l'acqua come va messa poi? Diodi? altra bobina?

Puoi confermarmi una cosa? La bobina bifilare (cavo doppio) sarebbe connessa come esattamente? Naudin non fa vedere precisamente... Da quello che ho capito va connesso come un condensatore giusto? Tipo essendo due un filo nero ed uno rosso, il nero in corto con il nero ed il roso in corto con il rosso poi l'alto voltaggio connesso tra nero e rosso? Ho capito bene?

Grazie mile

Tutanka said that a uniform glowing discharge would free up electrons and it would make a noise like a high pitch whistle. The frequency would depend on the turns configuration...

Thanks

[tutanka]

Ok ho capito. Pero non ho capito dove questi elettroni saranno liberati, e l'acqua come va messa poi? Diodi? altra bobina?

Puoi confermarmi una cosa? La bobina bifilare (cavo doppio) sarebbe connessa come esattamente? Naudin non fa vedere precisamente... Da quello che ho capito va connesso come un condensatore giusto? Tipo essendo due un filo nero ed uno rosso, il nero in corto con il nero ed il roso in corto con il rosso poi l'alto voltaggio connesso tra nero e rosso? Ho capito bene?

Grazie mile

Tutanka said that a uniform glowing discharge would free up electrons and it would make a noise like a high pitch whistle. The frequency would depend on the turns configuration...

Thanks

E' molto semplice! Cavo bifilare con dielettrico rosso/nero. Lo avvolgi sul tubo di plexiglas (il diametro del tubo di plasxiglas č importante), esempio 12 spire. Dopodichč colleghi il nero col nero e il rosso con il rosso.. I cavi non devono essere in cortocircuito per questo basta che tu usi un tester per verificare. Quando la tua bobina bifilare č avvolta sul tubo di plexiglas tu hai creato di fatto un condensatore! Se hai un capacimentro e lo misuri il tuo condensatore sarą dell'ordine di qualche centinaio di picoFarad. Al tuo condensatore colleghi sul rosso una sorgente DC positiva da 30V max2A mentre sul nero ci colleghi la sorgente AC ad alto voltaggio. Se il tutto č fatto bene (circuito, bobina alto voltaggio, etc..) il tuo condensatore inizierą a generare plasma ed un fischio (hiss) sarą udibile. A questo punto non fai altro che inserire in un contenitore, di acqua distillata senza nessun elettrolita, il tuo condensatore facendo attenzione a NON immergere i contatti elettrici all'interno della tua vasca. Vedrai che il tuo condensatore creerą plasma a varie frequenza per questo ti consiglio di utilizzare uno oscillatore da 5 a 50KHz o meglio da 1KHz a 1MHz. Quando il plasma freddo sarą presente all'nterno della vasca le molecole di acqua cambieranno di stato diventando brown gas. Piastre, elettrolita e decine di amperč non sono piu utilizzati.

[sebosfato]

Wow
Grazie mile

Allora avevo capito benne. Proverņ poi ti faccio sapere. Trovo interessante che non ci sia il bisogno di elettrodi. Poi faccio un video e ti faccio vedere mio piccolo laboratorio... Per ora ne ho solo una batteria 12v. Ti ringrazio ancora.

Saluti
Fabio

[tutanka]

Wow
Grazie mile

Allora avevo capito benne. Proverņ poi ti faccio sapere. Trovo interessante che non ci sia il bisogno di elettrodi. Poi faccio un video e ti faccio vedere mio piccolo laboratorio... Per ora ne ho solo una batteria 12v. Ti ringrazio ancora.

Saluti
Fabio

E' molto importante che tu crei una adeguata sorgente AC ad alto voltaggio. Una bobina da auto ha una frequenza limitata ed oltre i 6KHz non funziona. Pertanto ti consiglio di utilizzare un flyback prelevato da qualche tv in B/N (non con diodo) e di usare un circuto half-bridge con oscillatore da 1KHz a 1MHz. Ovviamente devi rifare il primario del flyback (16/20 spire da 0.5mm di rame).

Is more important that you build an properly AC source to high voltage. The car coil have an limited frequency and at more of 6KHz don't work. In that way I suggest to utilize an flyback from old tv (not with diode inside) and to use an half-bridge circuit with oscillator from 1KHz to 1MHz. You need to build new primary on flyback (16/20 coils of copper of 0.5mm)

[sebosfato]

E' molto importante che tu crei una adeguata sorgente AC ad alto voltaggio. Una bobina da auto ha una frequenza limitata ed oltre i 6KHz non funziona. Pertanto ti consiglio di utilizzare un flyback prelevato da qualche tv in B/N (non con diodo) e di usare un circuto half-bridge con oscillatore da 1KHz a 1MHz. Ovviamente devi rifare il primario del flyback (16/20 spire da 0.5mm di rame).

Is more important that you build an properly AC source to high voltage. The car coil have an limited frequency and at more of 6KHz don't work. In that way I suggest to utilize an flyback from old tv (not with diode inside) and to use an half-bridge circuit with oscillator from 1KHz to 1MHz. You need to build new primary on flyback (16/20 coils of copper of 0.5mm)

Hello,

I tried with my hand made flyback and kind of got high voltage on the thing kind of got the plasma coming out of the multimeter... however no effects on the water... i could not use plexiglas but i used a plastic coil former about 10cm diameter with 12 turns bif speaker wire, connected as you said...

Is there a problem for it not being plexiglass?

i'm not sure but i guess the insulation failed cause i could get a 3 cm hot arc when i opened the circuit... not sure yet... because with closed circuit without water nothing got burn. or fire.. only the multimeter hehe it flashed blue for a while i than disconnected it... i guess i got more than 5kv with the circuit closed.. I got my high voltage probe and multimeter burn, so i'm missing measurement means.

i think that my frequency generator is not very stable it goes really from 10hz to 100khz so i'm going to try making the half bridge as you described, i'm using a single irfp mosfet with the pll circuit... i will try that driver you mentioned, with a couple of irfp460 mosfets... Should i connect a capacitor in series with the primary like its shown on the data-sheet or is it not needed?

Is there a reason for the connection of the 30v supply to the water with only one wire?

i tried than to add another wire from ground to the water connected to a ss tube... nothing

My flyback have around 10 turns on the primary and 600 turns on the secondary...

Thanks again
Best Regards

[tutanka]

Hello,

I tried with my hand made flyback and kind of got high voltage on the thing kind of got the plasma coming out of the multimeter... however no effects on the water... i could not use plexiglas but i used a plastic coil former about 10cm diameter with 12 turns bif speaker wire, connected as you said...

Is there a problem for it not being plexiglass?

i'm not sure but i guess the insulation failed cause i could get a 3 cm hot arc when i opened the circuit... not sure yet... because with closed circuit without water nothing got burn. or fire.. only the multimeter hehe it flashed blue for a while i than disconnected it... i guess i got more than 5kv with the circuit closed.. I got my high voltage probe and multimeter burn, so i'm missing measurement means.

i think that my frequency generator is not very stable it goes really from 10hz to 100khz so i'm going to try making the half bridge as you described, i'm using a single irfp mosfet with the pll circuit... i will try that driver you mentioned, with a couple of irfp460 mosfets... Should i connect a capacitor in series with the primary like its shown on the data-sheet or is it not needed?

Is there a reason for the connection of the 30v supply to the water with only one wire?

i tried than to add another wire from ground to the water connected to a ss tube... nothing

My flyback have around 10 turns on the primary and 600 turns on the secondary...

Thanks again
Best Regards

HI Fabio,
Material need to be plexiglas and use 2mt. of audio cable of quality (big trasparent dielectric). However you don't need more of 15/20Kv AC high voltage , you need to add other 6 turns on flyback primary. You need to obtain real AC high voltage for that you need half-bridge driver, for that I suggest to use IR2153 with IRFP450 mosfets. You can try initially using car coil using an frequency tunable in the range of 5-6KHz, you need to use car coil inverted, the negative connection (1) to positive 30V and positive connection (15) to high voltage AC source. You have to connect in the same mode also the flyback. You don't need to obtain an arc from coil tube, probably you send inside coil tube more HV. About 30Vdc positive.. yes is correct, without that you don't obtain cold plasma. You need to connect the same 30V positive on flyback and inside coil of tube. Your experiment fail because you don't obtain nothing plasma but only discharge from your coil around tube.

[sebosfato]

Hello Alex,

I'm going to buy the plexiglass tube probably tomorrow, so could you please tell me the best thickness and length and outside diameter please?

Vado probabilmente domani comprare il tubo, Potresti dirmi il migliore diametro esterno, interno e misura precisa del tubo di plexiglass?

"send inside coil tube" , vuoi dire che cč una connessione al interno del tubo? Tipo un elettrodo? oppure sotto la bobina, sopra il tubo?

Credo che non ho capito solo questa cosa...

Grazie ancora
Buona settimana
Fabio