This is it !

[Farmhand]

OK since it is a holiday, I will digress to an observation or two that are in a way related to this endevour. Flowers

http://7ipspq.bay.livefilestore.com/...011.JPG?psid=1
This flower is interesting because it reinforces the rule of "three" in nature, it has three sets of three petals, the flower itself does not seem to serve a reproductive purpose as there appears to be no stigma or anther and the plant reproduces from bulbs. It is a kind of lilly I think or maybe a ground orchid not sure.

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http://7ipspq.bay.livefilestore.com/...058.jpg?psid=1
This is a paw-paw flower, I think it's a female flower, anyway it is very interesting because of it's geometrical shape. When the flower falls from the tree because of the center of it's ballance, propeller shape and pitch angle of the petals, it falls slowly to the ground while rotating quite fast, much like an autorotating helicopter or a gyrocopter. As it falls and rotate's the trace's left by the petal points would form five parallel helix's, when viewed from the side the trace would appear as a polyphase sinewave. And the result to the air would be a faint swirling vortex created by the pressure exerted by the petals on the air. As a lot of flowers do I suppose. It is, in effect, a small vortex generator with some potential, not much.

I suppose it is just surprising to me that these principals and effects are fundamental in nature and very very common. And yet where are all the free energy devices based on these principals.

There will be one right here sooner or later. We have Mr O.U. surrounded, he cannot escape us.

This is a potato flower, as far as I can tell it just looks pretty and makes a yummy potato.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...wer.jpg?psid=1

[gmeast]

why

Hi all, I know I know, funny time to post but, I gotta keep my old model T brain clunkin over or it might not start up again.

So i've done some research and come up with some gems from the Don Smith Document.
Below is two picture's of the same setup, it appears to be a very similar thing to what we are doing, except for power production.

The arrows are just pointing to a part that is different in the two pics.

http://9xhe3g.bay.livefilestore.com/...TPU.png?psid=1

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...led.png?psid=1

I can see he has three coils wound on the annular core ( which is laminated and insulated Iron rings i'll bet ) But I can't quite work out the function
of them and which is which.

I think one would be the pulsed coil(probably the red one), Another would be the control coil ( or accelerator coil )(probably the small one) and the

other one would be the Secondary for power take off (the biggest one that has the small red one wound on it) . Very interesting. I can't find any Text to go
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Why is it that whenever I se a TPU replication, like on YouTube, there are always wires going down through the table to where no one can see?

[gmeast]

why

Hi all, I know I know, funny time to post but, I gotta keep my old model T brain clunkin over or it might not start up again.

So i've done some research and come up with some gems from the Don Smith Document.
Below is two picture's of the same setup, it appears to be a very similar thing to what we are doing, except for power production.

The arrows are just pointing to a part that is different in the two pics.

http://9xhe3g.bay.livefilestore.com/...TPU.png?psid=1

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...led.png?psid=1

I can see he has three coils wound on the annular core ( which is laminated and insulated Iron rings i'll bet ) But I can't quite work out the function
of them and which is which.

I think one would be the pulsed coil(probably the red one), Another would be the control coil ( or accelerator coil )(probably the small one) and the

other one would be the Secondary for power take off (the biggest one that has the small red one wound on it) . Very interesting. I can't find any Text to go
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Why is it that whenever I see a TPU replication, like on YouTube, there are always wires going down through the table to where no one can see?

And why does Boyce's TPU require a heavy core when Steve Marks' is featherweight and almost fragile-looking?

[Farmhand]

Hi Greg, I believe at the begining of the document it says why, Don had different parts of all his devices patented and the rights held by different companies which he was a shareholder of I think....

When I read the document in several places I can sense his frustration with the establishment, and his cynisism towards the current methods of power generation. I think he was actively suppressed and "got out" as much as he could without risking prosecution or whatever for divilging company information. He may have originally had plans to make a lot of money, big mistake, but we can see he tried as best he could to still get this stuff out there, when he realised the futility of that. So for that, I for one am eternally gratefull.

We will have to decifer the secrets ourselves. It is my firm belief that if one person can do something, then so can another.

I think the marks TPU is slightly differnt from Bobs, Steve Marks device is more of a resonant radio frequency energy induction device on steroids and very angry, the boyce toriod is a flux flywheel or a flux-coil interaction + radio frequency induction device, as far as I can tell anyway, the Don Smith TPU is Same as bobs but uses one power coil one accelerator coil one secodary, Bobs uses three power/accelerator coils and one secondary, he also has a version which uses separate DC bias windings to shape the rotating flux fields' effective area and shape.

Cheers

[gmeast]

wires through table

Hi Greg, I believe at the begining of the document it says why, Don had different parts of all his devices patented and the rights held by different companies which he was a shareholder of I think....

When I read the document in several places I can sense his frustration with the establishment, and his cynisism towards the current methods of power generation. I think he was actively suppressed and "got out" as much as he could without risking prosecution or whatever for divilging company information. He may have originally had plans to make a lot of money, big mistake, but we can see he tried as best he could to still get this stuff out there, when he realised the futility of that. So for that, I for one am eternally gratefull.

We will have to decifer the secrets ourselves. It is my firm belief that if one person can do something, then so can another.

I think the marks TPU is slightly differnt from Bobs, Steve Marks device is more of a resonant radio frequency energy induction device on steroids and very angry, the boyce toriod is a flux flywheel or a flux-coil interaction + radio frequency induction device, as far as I can tell anyway, the Don Smith TPU is Same as bobs but uses one power coil one accelerator coil one secodary, Bobs uses three power/accelerator coils and one secondary, he also has a version which uses separate DC bias windings to shape the rotating flux fields' effective area and shape.

Cheers

Ok, thanks, so there are different TPU technologies ... so what about the wires through the table?

Thanks

[Farmhand]

One of the pics you can see under the table a bit there is some batteries on the left and to the right where we cant see would be the conversion hardware HV Caps and transformer and whatnot for the power point plug. I think the box on the top that my arrows point to is the pulse or sinewave generator. Two differnt ones.

Anyway...

I'm doing an informal c.o.p. test now with a desulfator just for fun, it will take quite some time. I drained a 14 year old reconditioned and conditioned car battery RC80, I estimate it has a real capacity of about 25 Ah without going below 12 volts.
I drained it to 12.35 resting and I am charging it now with 500 Ma draw from the charging device, I will charge it to 15 volts under charge, I will then rest it and drain it to 12.35v again and measure input for output.

After connecting the battery for charge it immediately was charging at 12.45 volts and after 10 minutes is at 12.75v rising fast I estimate it will take less than 4 hours to charge and will deliver more than 10 Ah to a load at quite a few amps. If it does that it will be a c.o.p. of 5 with a 14 year old car battery charged with half an amp in a few hours. Sweet.

I think it will, the only problem I can see is the power input might be a bit low to charge this particular battery beyond it's upper charge threshold 14.6 volts. I will find out. At four hours I will stop charging anyway I think.

We can expect much better performance with our toroid charger (not in self charge) mode but in regular utility operation or in normal battery charge mode. The setup will be good enough to use in a number of ways thats why I like it so much.

Cheers

P.S. Having thought on the differences for a bit, I can see that the Marks device is not easily shieldable where as the Boyce Toroid is. That is a big factor to me, the radiation from a Marks device would be considerable, I am not overly fussed by it, a big fat modern toroid core is a much wiser way to go in my opinion.

[gmeast]

C.O.P. of 5

One of the pics you can see under the table a bit there is some batteries on the left and to the right where we cant see would be the conversion hardware HV Caps and transformer and whatnot for the power point plug. I think the box on the top that my arrows point to is the pulse or sinewave generator. Two differnt ones.

Anyway...

I'm doing an informal c.o.p. test now with a desulfator just for fun, it will take quite some time. I drained a 14 year old reconditioned and conditioned car battery RC80, I estimate it has a real capacity of about 25 Ah without going below 12 volts.
I drained it to 12.35 resting and I am charging it now with 500 Ma draw from the charging device, I will charge it to 15 volts under charge, I will then rest it and drain it to 12.35v again and measure input for output.

After connecting the battery for charge it immediately was charging at 12.45 volts and after 10 minutes is at 12.75v rising fast I estimate it will take less than 4 hours to charge and will deliver more than 10 Ah to a load at quite a few amps. If it does that it will be a c.o.p. of 5 with a 14 year old car battery charged with half an amp in a few hours. Sweet.

I think it will, the only problem I can see is the power input might be a bit low to charge this particular battery beyond it's upper charge threshold 14.6 volts. I will find out. At four hours I will stop charging anyway I think.

We can expect much better performance with our toroid charger (not in self charge) mode but in regular utility operation or in normal battery charge mode. The setup will be good enough to use in a number of ways thats why I like it so much.

Cheers

WOW Farmhand! With a COP of 5, can't you use that battery then to power the battery charger and charge several batteries? That right there is convincing proof of COP>1 and I don't know any technician, farmer, mechanic, or knowledgeable do-it-yourself-er that would not accept that as proof.

[Farmhand]

Yes Greg you would think so, but it has been done before and there are arguments involved. I have no wish to argue points with people, the self charger will be absolute proof in my opinion, anyone who does not then accept it, is never going to accept these posibilities in my opinion. And I can understand the sceptisism about these things.

More than likeky it will never be possible to actually show the whole process of a c.o.p. test like this I won't be uploading any 24 hour long video's to youtube. I may only get a c.o.p. of 2 or 3.

Another problem is you have to give the battery some time to transmute the energy properly, before it can be used in a field collapse circuit with full effeciency, the circuit runs on EM energy.

Time will tell.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

I was thinking about the secondary, if the scondary was left unshorted a considerable tension would be created in the winding, if it was shorted to itself it would allow current to flow continuously with little impedance, I think, when this happens the current flow in the secondary would have some effect on the availiable core space, and the primary windings, exactly what I do not know, I imagine the effect on the core would restrict the availiable core area for the primary pulse flux intensities, thus increasing it's velocity, like putting a jet nossle on a hose. Of course the effect would compound on itself, I think.

I should reiterate that what i say is just what I think and read. Sometimes I can't tell the difference. But anyway I just like to theorise the best way I can, to come up with explanations to things, that are realistic and make some sense, I only have a concept for what makes sense to me. So I hesitate to disclose some of crazy mind wanderings, until i find some kind of corroberating evidence to satisfy myself i'm not just dreaming stuff up.

[Farmhand]

This is a very strange day for me, I was just proof reading my post when I realised something, and now I must quote myself. I appologise for that and all the consecutive posts, but if I can't think of any other way to get these byte's out of my head and explain my thoughts properly. I'll try to edit as many posts as I can to keep the post count down. Sorry


The part in bold might just explain how the Arrangement could "self adapt to differing loads" which would be a very nice touch. Connect a new load and the sytem adapts to output more power itself, automatically.

I was thinking about the secondary, if the scondary was left unshorted a considerable tension would be created in the winding, if it was shorted to itself it would allow current to flow continuously with little impedance, I think, when this happens the current flow in the secondary would have some effect on the availiable core space, and the primary windings, exactly what I do not know, I imagine the effect on the core would restrict the availiable core area for the primary pulse flux intensities, thus increasing it's velocity, like putting a jet nossle on a hose. Of course the effect would compound on itself, I think.

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There is a problem with my test. I should have run the test with at least 750 Ma, i'll keep going with this test but I will run another test tomorrow after I work out the correct power input for the best charge rate for this battery.

It has hit the wall at 12.8 where all the real charging happens, and is now charging too slowly for my intended time frame. So I need to use more power to charge the battery "fully", or in my opinion the test is invalid. For this type of test anyway. So I have to run it again unfortunately, I hate testing, but I just want to get an idea of the improvement over the real time in-out readings, and roughly calculate c.o.p. both ways. For my own curiosity.

I'm sure you are growing tired of seeing these scope captures, but here's another anyway. I believe it is good to try and figure out what some of these waveforms are telling us:
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...n4r3-30pl5.JPG

In this trace, there is a 'rut' to the right of the pulse. I believe I know what that is. Here goes:

After the pulse, the toroid (coil) is ringing but is 'captured' above the battery by the diode as the battery gets a charge. When the ringing is over, the diode is no longer working and the yellow trace is now 'just a trace'. It drops out, recovers and returns to battery voltage potential ... and all of this without any effect on the battery (by looking at the battery trace-green)... I think.

No i'm not tired of looking at scope shots, in fact I was looking at this one in the attachment below and I would say the area in the box above the oscillation centerline makes up for the other bit thats missing. And I also think your correct in your latest capture assesment.

Here is a very interesting picture-
http://kozpma.bay.livefilestore.com/...250.jpg?psid=1
I would call that a very big out of control dohnut.
It's a supernova. It looks somehow familiar.

[Farmhand]

Hi Farmhand,

Santa's almost here ...

OK, I have to wrap my head around what you proposed. I can change frequency and tune it out with the gate offset and PW. Now, I already have the recovery diode returning to Battery+. I guess that doesn't change? And so the choke is on the battery- ... Fet source then ?? I really don't like Caps because they leak, but ......


Later

Hi Greg, If I were using the drawing cikljamas posted earlier (drawing removed)I would make the changes I have below and also run the Pulse generator from the choke. Maybe if the positive leads to the toroid and sig gen just went though the hole of the choke and about three to five wraps, then the cap, not too big, a very nice variable interleaved air gap capacitor would be nice there, but it wouldn't be easy to make..

I have these 3 inch toroids on a big board, do you think i should pull one off and give it a "whirl" ?

Board 003-1.png - Windows Live

I have unending rain of near biblical proportions here, it only cleared for a couple days about a week ago. It's been raining almost continuously for months, better than snow I suppose, I should think myself lucky.

Rgds

EDIT,
We may need to run the sig gen from a separate source if we can't shield it with caps. If there are problems with noise or feedback I don't really know.
We might also discover that when or if the circuit is in resonance, instead of our cap leaking it might draw.

I get the feeling when I look at my two toroids on the board that they are a HF resonate two way tranformer. The small one appears to have more wire on it but it is smaller so it may be an illusion, they might have same length wire different size core's.

[Farmhand]

7imix I just noticed your post number 486, nice video. I watched some more while I was there.

These one's are interesting to me too.
YouTube - Phase angle difference

YouTube - Phase shift oscillator

YouTube - Harmonic Oscillation

The info in them might come in handy one day.

I'm glad you explained so well about the magnets the other day, thats what made me look at the don smith document again. Each time I look at these documents and pictures it feels like I get a little better insight into them.

Cheers

P.S. I couldn't resist posting these picture's we need to watch out for these.I captured them from a video so the quality is not the best.

I call these pics "power cones"

This picture is before the pulse
http://kozpma.bay.livefilestore.com/...s-1.jpg?psid=1

This picture is during the pulse.
http://kozpma.bay.livefilestore.com/...s-2.jpg?psid=1

Here's a couple of tripple strikes.
http://kozpma.bay.livefilestore.com/...e-1.jpg?psid=1

http://kozpma.bay.livefilestore.com/...e-2.jpg?psid=1

[gmeast]

power cones

7imix I just noticed your post number 486, nice video. I watched some more while I was there.

These one's are interesting to me too.
YouTube - Phase angle difference

YouTube - Phase shift oscillator

YouTube - Harmonic Oscillation

The info in them might come in handy one day.

I'm glad you explained so well about the magnets the other day, thats what made me look at the don smith document again. Each time I look at these documents and pictures it feels like I get a little better insight into them.

Cheers

P.S. I couldn't resist posting these picture's we need to watch out for these.I captured them from a video so the quality is not the best.

I call these pics "power cones"

This picture is before the pulse
http://kozpma.bay.livefilestore.com/...s-1.jpg?psid=1

This picture is during the pulse.
http://kozpma.bay.livefilestore.com/...s-2.jpg?psid=1

Here's a couple of tripple strikes.
http://kozpma.bay.livefilestore.com/...e-1.jpg?psid=1

http://kozpma.bay.livefilestore.com/...e-2.jpg?psid=1

It looks like God being really, really pissed off.

[Farmhand]

Hi Greg, I just realised what I actually wrote a couple of posts up.

We may need to run the sig gen from a separate source if we can't shield it with caps. If there are problems with noise or feedback I don't really know.

That was a silly statement by me, we have to power everything, from the same source doh. I bet you got a good laugh out of that.

So I will maybe have to wind my toroid with some 18AWG for a secondary and some 21 AWG for primaries normal magnet wire, it could be weeks before I can get the good stuff.

My test was a failure, the battery is a lot worse condition than I thought, I won't be able to use my 14 year old battery for tests, I did get very close to a c.o.p. of 1 though, even without charging the old battery properly, so real time in out measurements are only an indication of the EM efficiency of the device, not an indication of the c.o.p. of a circuit producing radiant energy. . I'll try it with a different battery after I mop up all the water in my bunkhouse, the rain was particularly heavy last night. It's finally stopped again but not for long. The weather reminds me of 1974. Good times.

With all the research i've done in the past day or two, i can only say I think we are on the right track.

In the second power cone picture you can see the vortex of energy during a discharge pulse. A vortex similar to that but lower potential would form above our toroid in my opinion, and depending on the atmospheric conditions and the tuning of the device, it could be dangerous. Though I doubt very much anyone wil get struck by lightning because of it. It may cause some meltdowns or something maybe. Which could start a fire or something silly like that.

I ordered some op-amp chips online and will probably get some from town on thursday, I will also attempt to order just the wire from hydrogen garage if not there, I will start emailing suppliers again.

Do you think my description of the don smith device's coil arrangement is close ?

Cheers

[pmazz850]

Farmhand,
Have you tried the place in the Bob Boyce document for the wire?
I believe this is it, Apex Jr.Home Page. Thats where i got my wire from.