This is it !

[Farmhand]

I just thought of a couple more things to try with the choke. I noticed when I had the small winding connected to the diode recovery and the other end open, that when i touched the two ends of the other longer winding they sparked. So maybe I will try using the longer winding as a transformer isolator with a bridge or just one end or short it and use normally. Just to get a better idea of how this is going to work.

I'll have to buy a small iron powder toroid core for the choke to get any conclusive enlightenment though I think. I like trial and error because you just never know what might happen.


Edit. I have attached a drawing for the electrolisis setup below, I think looking at that drawing we may need two chokes, one on the positive lead to the circuit, a "RF filter" and one on the recovery after the diode with the right number of wraps to shift the phase of the spike to in between the "draw periods" so the spikes can hit the battery in "Dead time".

Preferably as close to the preceeding draw period as possible to allow some absorbtion time before the next draw period.

Cheers

P.S. It is now painfully obvious I definately need my new Nano scope, hopefully today.

[Farmhand]

Wooohoo, OK something just got struck by lightning just outside but I can't see what, I hope I can find what is was later. Hopefullt not my bill goat poor fella is over there somewhere. He's tough but it was a big strike. Shutting down my computer now. Back later.

Cheers

[7imix]

Thanks for the link to the updated winding PDF, gmeast.

I have started on my ghetto toroid, which, if not exactly what is needed for this replication, will at least be fun to play with until I get a real toroid. I'll post pictures later. It's going to be fun.

[sucahyo]

The longitudinal windings is optional, I think Bob is just doing some Tesla theory experimenting with that. Good idea not sure how it would work though.
He most likely has lots of toroids so did the longitudinal windings when he wound a new one for the winding tutorial. He probably figured he would show the pics since he did the windings. I am not going to do that. If I get really good results from my first one I will likely buy another to try Bobs longitudinal windings.

Bob Boyce mention somewhere here about longitudinal winding is important to control the energy. Similar to magnetic amplifier I guess. It is not required in electrolysis.


About choke, anyone use it between battery to circuit or between diode output to charged battery?

I consider choke like a flywheel, need to be at the right size. Maybe have to be the same as the primary core?

[Farmhand]

Bob Boyce mention somewhere here about longitudinal winding is important to control the energy. Similar to magnetic amplifier I guess. It is not required in electrolysis.

Thanks sucahyo i'll have a better read I did just skim through it.

About choke, anyone use it between battery to circuit or between diode output to charged battery?

Yeah I tried those, in the video above I only tried after the diode to the battery, and only half hearted to see what would happen.

I consider choke like a flywheel, need to be at the right size. Maybe have to be the same as the primary core?

Not sure about that but they do say it needs to be heavy duty.

I couldn't find the tree in the paddock that the lightning hit, and the goat is still alive, his tongue isn't hanging out any more than usual so he's ok.

I'll be busy cleaning for a couple of days, so I won't be able to do much. And with very little sun for weeks I may have to tap the wall to charge a battery or two. All this rain is a reminder I can't keep relying on solar panels to keep my emergency batteries charged.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Okey Dokey, look what we have here.

This is in the "Researching and witings of Nikola Tesla"

There is another well-known type of machine in which three
or more coils, A' B' C', on the armature have a common joint,
the free ends being connected to the segments of a commutator.
This form of generator is illustrated in Fig. 27. In this case each
terminal of the generator is connected directly or in derivation
to a continuous ring, a b c, and collecting brushes, a' b' c', bearing
thereon, take off the alternating currents that operate the motor.
It is preferable in this case to employ a motor or transformer
with three energizing coils, A" B" C", placed symmetrically with
those of the generator, and the circuits from the latter are connected
to the terminals of such coils either directly as when
they are stationary or by means of brushes e' and contact rings
e. In this, as in the other cases, the ordinary commutator may
be used on the generator, and the current taken from it utilized
for exciting the generator field-magnets or for other purposes.

http://kozpma.bay.livefilestore.com/...tor.jpg?psid=1

It might not look it because the drawing has four coils. But it says the best configuration is three, the currents he talks of taking off is the BEMF and he uses it to exite the field coils of the generator which originally supplied the power. I think, it's hard to decifer these sometimes. But I think it is three symmetrically placed coils with a common ground, back feeding the generator. A self runner or a patial self runner, with similarites to what we are doing.

Very interesting.

[gmeast]

choke

Bob Boyce mention somewhere here about longitudinal winding is important to control the energy. Similar to magnetic amplifier I guess. It is not required in electrolysis.


About choke, anyone use it between battery to circuit or between diode output to charged battery?

I consider choke like a flywheel, need to be at the right size. Maybe have to be the same as the primary core?

Hi sucahyo,

Thanks for the reply. I have noticed that the longitudinal windings are part of Boyc's TPU device. In that .pdf he refers to a biasing voltage ... 11VDC or so ... that's all I've seen.

The 'charging circuit' choke is a sticking point for me. I know that the choke in the video was not anywhere near the size of the T650 core. I see it as a filter of sorts and Farmhand somewhat verified this by shooting some references specifying their need as interfacing devices to keep 'attached' equipment from negating either the 'desulfating' or 'charging' effects of the target circuits.

Thanks

[gmeast]

waiting

well, I'll be out of commission for about 12 or 13 days. I guess I can start winding my coil, but I don't want to use that hideously messy 2" tape they sold me. I found the source (Loadstone) but have not gotten a quote on the 1" tape. What they sent me was wrapped on a piece of 1/2 poly tubing ... very hard to unwrap ... it tears ... it sucks!

The reason for my delay is I purchase everything with sort of an insured debit card ... no fraud risk. So I have to load it and that means I have to deppost into it with a postal money order ... that takes 5 days to post, and then the shipping of the stuff I order. So It easily turns into almost 2 weeks.

Oh well ... being poor sucks major crap!

There's a Radio Shack 75 miles from me, but that costs me $40.00 round trip in fuel and I've spent way over my self-imposed budget on this. So much for self-imposed budgets!

Later

[sucahyo]

And with very little sun for weeks I may have to tap the wall to charge a battery or two. All this rain is a reminder I can't keep relying on solar panels to keep my emergency batteries charged.

How many volt do the solar panel produce during such time?

There's a Radio Shack 75 miles from me, but that costs me $40.00 round trip in fuel

Wow, expensive.

It would cost less here to travel that distance, but finding store that sell most of the thing mentioned may take that amount of money....


I imagine if we use the choke to filter the flow between battery to circuit, then iron core is better because it work at low frequency and act like low frequency pass filter.

With the choke between circuit output to charged battery we may need toroid with higher frequency presumably at the same material as our coil core. Because I think slower than main will dampen the output and produce wasted heat. I imagine this function to help diode to work better (less backward flow).

[7imix]

I made a new video called ghetto coil. Ghetto coil is 207 turns of awg22 in three coils around some copper tubing. I think it has a very high resonant frequency.

I connected the coils to form one big coil, and then I pulsed it with a variation of the op amp impulser circuit.

I measured the pulses between the battery and top of the coil, as well as across the coil. Pretty waveforms, although the oscillations die quickly. The iron core might help with that.

Don't have a lot of time to experiment and record videos lately, so I'm glad I could do this one.

YouTube - Ghetto coil

[Farmhand]

Hi all, my internet is down junctin box in town was washed away, I am using a borrowed wireless connection, it is flakey.

Gmeast if you havn't started winding yet you might want to consider one bias winding on the outside face of the core, bobs document is hard to understand, but I think that is another option.

I'm not sure how long internet will be down. Or how successfull posting will be, video's out of the question.

I have some text from a couple of documents I will post if I can.

Sucahyo I have 55 watts of panels in full sun with my circuit I can get 3.4 amps 3.2 with normal controller. In rain I can get 1 amp when normal controller gets .6 or so thats in continuous conduction not pulsed.

Wll edit incase wireless drops out.

From Bobs document, I am i general agreeance with this.

There are two modes of operation of a true 3 phase toroidal power system. One is pulsed mode, and one is rotational mode. Each has different timing and phase requirements. Pulsed mode is where the timing of the pulses are such that the entire toroid pulsates at the same frequency, all nearly in phase. Rotational mode is where the timing of the pulses are about 120 degrees out of phase. These are driven in a Wye configuration. Regardless of the mode, phase angle between drive signals can be used to create repeatable interference patterns in the EM field. Try to think of these interference patterns as EM holograms, that given the right
conditions can interact with dominant energy. When the dominant energy is kicked, it can kick back - hard! Normally, the three states of dominant energy are in balance, and no net energy flow occurs. When unbalanced, energy flow can be initiated. Our goal is to create controlled imbalances, and maintain this control while we make use of the tapped energy to power loads.

Bob describing what is required to drive the Mosfet properly and why,

Yes, as fast as possible in both rise and fall times. I refer to them as fast, sharp pulses. Sine waves have their uses, but the really freaky stuff begins to happen when you shove lots of fast pulses that have enough current at the gate to force the FET into full conduction fast, and load the gate enough to get a fast decay of the gate charge. Input capacitance of some of these devices can make this quite a challenge. Good strong drivers, lots of low ESR capacitance on the power pins for the drivers, bypass caps, and good operating voltage to get the fastest rise/fall times are all good design practices.

[gmeast]

waveform

I made a new video called ghetto coil. Ghetto coil is 207 turns of awg22 in three coils around some copper tubing. I think it has a very high resonant frequency.

I connected the coils to form one big coil, and then I pulsed it with a variation of the op amp impulser circuit.

I measured the pulses between the battery and top of the coil, as well as across the coil. Pretty waveforms, although the oscillations die quickly. The iron core might help with that.

Don't have a lot of time to experiment and record videos lately, so I'm glad I could do this one.

YouTube - Ghetto coil

Hey 7imix,

That IS a nice square waveform. Are you using a recovery diode? and, what's the "variation of the op amp impulser circuit."?

Later

[gmeast]

Hi all, my internet is down junctin box in town was washed away, I am using a borrowed wireless connection, it is flakey.
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Sucahyo I have 55 watts of panels in full sun with my circuit I can get 3.4 amps 3.2 with normal controller. In rain I can get 1 amp when normal controller gets .6 or so thats in continuous conduction not pulsed.

why,

Hey guys, Solar is one of my passions.

See: SUNANDPOWER.COM

It's got 250 watts of roll-out and 250 watts of fan-fold on the rack. It's got a 2512 (12 VDC X 2500 w) inverter, six deep cycle 6V Trojans, RV Power Products controllers and I can sell back my power at the end of the day ... not legal but I did it anyway. Used to pay for the office's Hot & Cold Heat Pump (when I had a shop).

Thought you might be interested.

[7imix]

Hey 7imix,

That IS a nice square waveform. Are you using a recovery diode? and, what's the "variation of the op amp impulser circuit."?

Later

Here is the circuit I used in the video.



I am not using a recovery diode. I haven't figured out exactly where to place it yet. I'll look at your circuit diagram again.

[gmeast]

taping

Hi all,

reading over and over the toroid .pdf paper , I just don't know why so much tape. In that document it says Bob says "I use a single wrap of PVC electrical tape stretched very tightly over the secondary winding". In comparison, that stuff is pretty thick. Isn't it better to have less, very thin and sparse amount of tape so that coupling is as good as it can get? I know you can't let the wires move ... but common' ... I mean we're already having to live with the cavernous set-off left by the wire insulation ????????????

It's probably just my ignorance.

Later