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  • Nice progress everyone .


    BTW, David Lowrance share this:
    TPU

    I have been formulating a method to determine if generating a higher current is possible. Comparing the 90 degree phase shifts of normal copper medium and the three field effects. We know that someone has done it, but likely they do not even understand why it works.

    The TPU, experiments I did in past times were always pointed at producing over voltages, and we ended up blowing up some copper in precise patterns of platonic vibration.

    It hit me this is not the correct approach. There were two things I was never able to accomplish.

    1 - to feel a vibration of rotation in the copper - rotating mass vibration

    2 - to generate over currents rather then over voltages

    If you cut say two wires of 1 - meter. Wind 1/2 meter into a small coil, there are now two different ways to pass one end through the center, or even make a few wraps through the center. It depends on which end of the coil you pass through the center, or which direction you turn the free end around the first coil.

    It is confusing to consider all the theory, and probably faster to just try it.

    1 - In the first case, I have had many copper coils begin to vibrate a winding in the audio range, where I could hear and even see a winding trying to move. If one has two coils at 90 degrees phased properly wired in series, it may be possible to have a wire loop try to go into a rotation type of vibration, rather then only a back and forth vibration. This experiment is aimed at creating a field that generates a physical force moving in a circle, either CW or CCW with respect to the EM field. However the criticle parameter for this to happen is not voltage or curent or waveform, it is wire ratio of diameter to length, as discovered with tube cutting.

    2 - In the second case, where the goal is to release the countering force between electron and proton spin directions, to reduce or remove induction losses, and create the monster magnetic field bubble, the goal is more to cancel the voltage, rather then make it larger. We would have chosen the wrong loop direction for the 90 degree coils, not realizing the higher voltage does not represent more energy out.


    When a voltage hits a piece of wire suddenly with fast rise time, there is a shock wave that travels the radius of the wire moving outwards from center. If the length of the wire is a perfect harmonic multiple, there will then be standing waves on the wire of T field that do not move at all. 2D waves at 90 degrees that couple energy. Just like with tube devices.

    If this distance is shortened very slightly, wire trimmed, there will then be a T field stream moving one direction along the wire, at the same time it is a standing resonance on the radius of the wire. If this distance is lengthened slightly the T field waves will reverse direction and flow the other way.

    Our mistake in this, was to make the waves stationary, and thus the energy blew outwards exploding the wires rather then shooting down the wires or spining along them to generate the vibrational rotational field of the TPU.

    Now where one has figured out how to get the T field waves moving along the wires during EM pulsing, one direction [wire geometry], next is to see how this effects the voltages and currents with respect to polarity and EM frequency. Does the T field wave support the power output or does it reduce it?

    There is only one frequency where the wire diameter will physically resonate, and on the wire I was using it was near 5 Mhz. At this frequency the wire went into a self supporting ringing wave function after a very short EM spike hit it. Square wave with low duty cycle, atround 5khz produces this 5Mhz ringing wave. The length of wire was then found by trimming, to make this voltage larger, rather then to make the waves go slightly off frequency and start to move along the wires in one direction. I was trimming for standing nodes, rather then moving nodes. My result was a platonic explosion of the wire outwards.
    On other occasion, David Lowrance mention that with a correct wave, we can get 5Mhz resonance fromt he coil, in the shape of sine wave. That really remind me of 7imix sinewave.

    If you wrap two coils on a rubber ball, like a transformer, send a square wave through into the first, and extract from the second, a sine wave comes out the second coil. This wave is following the current of the first coil, the magnetic field, and the current is a lagging delayed wave.

    If you wrap a third coil on the ball at 90 degrees to the other two, now see what comes out of this coil, it may make more sense. You will see every fast transition with perfect clarity.

    Now if you series, the two output coils you will get the same wave out as is going into the first coil, perfectly wave shapped any way you desire, with total frequency through put. This is if you get the two wired in series with proper phasing,

    The 90 degree coil, responds to something other then lagging current in the primary coil, or magnetic field that rises from this current, but it happens with no phase delay.

    Between the two 90 degree coils energy can pass much faster then on the ordinary aligned coils.

    On this 90 degree coil is where we have the possibility of nearly infinite voltages appearing, but I believe as they appear, they are ordered into a platonic vibrational pattern, spaced equidistantly down the wire. This weird instant voltage, is being created from a T field, like in a joe Cells tubes, best guess.

    ...

    In the TPU, the 90 degree coil system is connected to the large wire loops. This is no secret. What was never offered was how the two interact to frequency, and the significants of the large loop exploding on equal spaced nodal points, showing the direct evidence of a Vibratonal field present.
    He also mentioned the importance of finding the correct wire length and diameter.

    I post more if interested. T-Field refer to radiant.

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    • Smoke

      Hi all, fried one, always a laugh the first time. I somehow managed to get 12 volts to flow straght through the op-amp, which caused a bit of smoke the input measured 1.2 amps or so before i stopped it and that was with only the op-amp on the board no Fet. Haha, not to worry, i'll try again.

      This is what I learned so far - Op-Amp smoke = yucky stuff

      Thats an interesting read sucahyo, not sure it's all necessary though, didn't Tesla solve the amperage problem ? With the "centre tapped resonate transformer" with the "internal primary", like what Don Smith did, also looks like a truckload of caps helps and an inverter circuit and stepdown transformer aswell, then many amperes will flow. Well thats what might happen. I'll see if I can find the other drawing. That quoted text does make sense to me though, I think, anyway I don't doubt it, at all.

      Anyway i appologise for getting off topic all the time, i'm going to get the op-amp PWM to work I have 2 left, i'll have more when the mail starts to flow again. I'm glad I started with the cheap one's. Visitors too.

      EDIT for Picture, This is not the drawing I was talking about, this is the step down part, if you have high enough voltage for a spark this would be a good way to get some amps. Page 193 Researchings and writings of Nicola Tesla. it starts about this back before that page.

      http://9xfdag.bay.livefilestore.com/...ter.jpg?psid=1

      I'll try to find the drawing I meant about the TC.

      Cheers
      Last edited by Farmhand; 01-08-2011, 05:33 AM.

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      • Pwm

        Originally posted by Farmhand View Post
        Gmeast, Am I seeing this right? Are these chips basically the same thing ?

        The (CMOS Quad 2 input NOR Gate) "CD4001" chip looks like almost the same thing as the (Quad Op-Amp) "RC4136" chip, very similar looking, when I look at the schematics of them one is all MOSFETS and the other is all regular Transistors inside them, I have no idea what i'm looking at when I look at the chip internal schematics but it is interesting.

        Anyway are they just similar things ?


        With your drawing.

        What would happen if I took away all the offset voltage stuff and connected what I needed to to get an output?

        Like remove the three 2k resistors and the 100k pot what would I need to connect together to get an output ?

        And how high would that be?

        Sorry about the questions but the answers will help me understand better.

        Cheers
        Hi Farmhand,

        I have wired the output from my PWM to the original PW output from U1C on my drawing. That is the 'normal' output for an OP-Amp PWM. It swings rail-to-rail. I have that hooked up 'direct' to my IRF540Z Hexfet an it's working fine. However, it really massacres the gate pulse when you put the scope on to peek at the gate. My Fet is stone cold and performing well (that just means I'm turning it 'full on and full off'). It cranks up to 100kHz and 0.5usec PW and is clean.

        Anyway, I thought I'd just drop this driver update. Later

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        • Hi Greg, Ok so can I just use all of the third one for the output ?

          I actually tried to build it like your drawing, but some how I always get something wrong from the drawing to the circuit, it must be how i'm looking at it, oh yeah and I hooked up the + power and ground the wrong way around too, I don't even know if thats what started my problem or not.

          These things confound me and give me a headache, I am best to just build it and unbuild two or three times before putting any power to it. Once i have the PWM part made and working I don't have many hiccups. Thankfully.

          Anyway so the first question is all you need to read, the rest is jibber jabber sorry.

          Thanks

          Ahah, i'll just turn the drawing upside down then the positve will be at the top and the ground at the bottom when I look at it, Op-Amps are uside down, and a quater turn to the left aswell, no make that right. Now it makes sense, i'll get it this time. And I don't have any 8.2k resistors can I use 10k or will I need to make it up with a couple in series, I thought I had some but they must be coming. Maybe that didn't help either, I try not to let a lack of bits stop me. I would need to use three to get 8k dangit.
          Last edited by Farmhand; 01-08-2011, 06:10 AM.

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          • both ends

            Hi peoples,

            OK ... here we go again. I think I'm sneaking up on something here. I have my crappy toroid running again with the 540Z pulsing the toroid at 35kHz and 1.48usec pulse width.

            NOW, I'm getting some action from the battery at both 'turn on' and 'turn off'. You see the usual 'ringing' after abrupt 'turn off' but at 'turn on' (the falling edge), the battery+ (green trace) takes a good whack with 'turn on spikes' and you can also see some ringing at the bottom of the battery- as it blasts past ground by almost a volt (0.84V). So this might be a signature that's important.

            Here's the capture:
            http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...-PWM-drvr0.png


            Enjoy. Later

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            • Originally posted by Farmhand View Post
              Hi Greg, Ok so can I just use all of the third one for the output ?

              I actually tried to build it like your drawing, but some how I always get something wrong from the drawing to the circuit, it must be how i'm looking at it, oh yeah and I hooked up the + power and ground the wrong way around too, I don't even know if thats what started my problem or not.
              That's definitely the problem, I smoked a few op amps hooking them up backwards.

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              • aha ... you had + & - reversed!

                Originally posted by Farmhand View Post
                Hi Greg, Ok so can I just use all of the third one for the output ?

                I actually tried to build it like your drawing, but some how I always get something wrong from the drawing to the circuit, it must be how i'm looking at it, oh yeah and I hooked up the + power and ground the wrong way around too, I don't even know if thats what started my problem or not.

                These things confound me and give me a headache, I am best to just build it and unbuild two or three times before putting any power to it. Once i have the PWM part made and working I don't have many hiccups. Thankfully.

                Anyway so the first question is all you need to read, the rest is jibber jabber sorry.

                Thanks

                Ahah, i'll just turn the drawing upside down then the positve will be at the top and the ground at the bottom when I look at it, Op-Amps are uside down, and a quater turn to the left aswell, no make that right. Now it makes sense, i'll get it this time. And I don't have any 8.2k resistors can I use 10k or will I need to make it up with a couple in series, I thought I had some but they must be coming. Maybe that didn't help either, I try not to let a lack of bits stop me. I would need to use three to get 8k dangit.
                Hi Farmhand,

                YES use the full amplitude. I might recommend that you tie the gate to ground with a 1kOhm resistor. This way you can disconnect your gate signal and the FET will stay 'off' instead of floating around or tuning 'on' when you're not looking and then frying everything THAT way. The output of the Op-Amp should be able to easily drive against that 1kOms resistor. Check the specs on the Op-Amp to make sure it says the out put will drive a load of say like:
                "400Ohms at Vcc+ to Vcc- = 12VDC"
                ... it will say something like that.

                Yes ... use the whole thing ... Just the 3rd output for the PWM ... I'm glad I tried it ... the best looking pulse so far and the highest Hz and sharpest rise and fall times!

                Later
                Last edited by gmeast; 01-08-2011, 06:51 AM.

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                • Originally posted by gmeast View Post
                  Hi peoples,

                  OK ... here we go again. I think I'm sneaking up on something here. I have my crappy toroid running again with the 540Z pulsing the toroid at 35kHz and 1.48usec pulse width.

                  NOW, I'm getting some action from the battery at both 'turn on' and 'turn off'. You see the usual 'ringing' after abrupt 'turn off' but at 'turn on' (the falling edge), the battery+ (green trace) takes a good whack with 'turn on spikes' and you can also see some ringing at the bottom of the battery- as it blasts past ground by almost a volt (0.84V). So this might be a signature that's important.

                  Here's the capture:
                  http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...-PWM-drvr0.png


                  Enjoy. Later
                  That's a really interesting shot alright, aswell as all the other stuff going on di you notice it seems to be creating a disturbance that "lasts", the yellow trace go's flat but the green one remains disturbed a little bit, and it's all up. Not sure if it means anything but it they danced up a couple of volts it might. I like it.

                  7imix thats a relief of sorts that i'm not the only one that did it. I'm steeling myself to have another crack at it shortly.

                  My novelty setup is giving some strange but very promising results, the way it is now if I short the secondary output the charging increases and the current go's down, but if I "load" the AC it is a bit different it makes big spikes in the transformer itself, the input also go's down and charging is incresed, seems the only thing I can do with the secondary output is to reduce the input ind increase charging I can't make the input increase by loading it only decrease, wierd. I'm using it to desulfate the quadbike battery. I can't wait to use it at much higher frequencies, but short of time.

                  Anyway looks like hail this afternoon.

                  Cheers

                  Greg, I just had a thought, since your setup is running so well can you try discharging that battery a bit. Like to a normal discharged state and watch the trace while the battery is in a different state of charge (setup running ), maybe get a shot if it's interesting ? If you haven't tried it already that is.
                  Last edited by Farmhand; 01-08-2011, 07:09 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by gmeast View Post
                    Hi Farmhand,

                    YES use the full amplitude. I might recommend that you tie the gate to ground with a 1kOhm resistor. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..............
                    I just changed my 1kOhm bias resistor to a 2.2kOhm resistor and it still works great ... why overwork the Op-Amp?

                    Later

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                    • discharge

                      Originally posted by Farmhand View Post
                      That's a really interesting shot alright, aswell as all the other stuff going on di you notice it seems to be creating a disturbance that "lasts", the yellow trace go's flat but the green one remains disturbed a little bit, and it's all up. Not sure if it means anything but it they danced up a couple of volts it might. I like it.

                      7imix thats a relief of sorts that i'm not the only one that did it. I'm steeling myself to have another crack at it shortly.

                      My novelty setup is giving some strange but very promising results, the way it is now if I short the secondary output the charging increases and the current go's down, but if I "load" the AC it is a bit different it makes big spikes in the transformer itself, the input also go's down and charging is incresed, seems the only thing I can do with the secondary output is to reduce the input ind increase charging I can't make the input increase by loading it only decrease, wierd. I'm using it to desulfate the quadbike battery. I can't wait to use it at much higher frequencies, but short of time.

                      Anyway looks like hail this afternoon.

                      Cheers

                      Greg, I just had a thought, since your setup is running so well can you try discharging that battery a bit. Like to a normal discharged state and watch the trace while the battery is in a different state of charge (setup running ), maybe get a shot if it's interesting ? If you haven't tried it already that is.
                      Sure, I'll give it a try in a bit ... What should I be looking for with this?

                      Oh, and by the way everyone ... When I got my new Op-Amps in (the ones I'm using now tle2074's) the first thing I did was plug it into the socket backwards ... it didn't smoke or smell, it just went "Crack" and, well, there ya' go ... and I've built dozens of Op-Amp based PWM's ... seems most quads have the ground at the 'top' ... you know normal reading writing on the chip ... dunno why ... why? ... unconventional it seems.

                      Later

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                      • Sure, I'll give it a try in a bit ... What should I be looking for with this?
                        I dunno really, just thought the trace might look somehow different as the battery tries to relax back to where it wants to be. Maybe it'll look very similar. It just struck me that you may not have tried it, just out of curiosity.

                        I'll make sure to get all my pins around the right way on the op-amp this time.

                        Cheers

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                        • Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
                          Nice progress everyone .


                          BTW, David Lowrance share this:


                          On other occasion, David Lowrance mention that with a correct wave, we can get 5Mhz resonance fromt he coil, in the shape of sine wave. That really remind me of 7imix sinewave.



                          He also mentioned the importance of finding the correct wire length and diameter.

                          I post more if interested. T-Field refer to radiant.
                          OK Ahah now I see, that give's me an idea for another experiment, maybe if I make another two coils like this one picture below, but make them so that they are looped through each other like chain links, but with the circumferences against each other at 90 degrees to make like a ball shape, with the coils at 90 degrees to each other, (for some reason Leedskalinin jumped into my head then), anyway and pulse them both with my dual setup, I could also put a secondary transformer winding on a ball inside that suspended with a reasonable gap around it, that would look different to say the least.

                          Thanks for that sucahyo, thats really interesting to think about, distracting but interesting.


                          http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...001.JPG?psid=1

                          The quote didn't work, anyway you know what I mean, I hope.

                          Cheers

                          EDIT...

                          Gmeast

                          Alright I think I ruined another one, but !! I know what happened, kind of, the pinout being all different to yours confused me this time and last time I didn't even realise that, which explains the smoke I guess, and I only had two not three. Haha And now I look and see that the one's which should get here in a couple of days ( better ones ) are also different again to both. Hmmm So now all I can do is make the new setup ( with correct pinout ) to take the new chips when they come, Gee wizz I'm glad i don't get frustrated easy.

                          Anyway so I was looking at your drawing trying to wrap my head around what made it tick, and I thought it looked very similar to the way the 4001 chip circuit works, in principal kind of, So I started drawing pictures connecting the dots the same way the 4001 circuit works but with the op-amp just for fun and this is what the drawing looks like, I have no intention of trying it unless I have some idea if it might work, I fried two chips just failing at the correct circuit, so I don't want to waste any more by trying this when I don't even know if it will work.

                          So do you think this would work ? It looks like it would be simpler if it did, it probably wouldn't be as stable as your arrangement even if it did work, but for us "chip challenged" people simple is better.

                          http://9xhxlw.bay.livefilestore.com/...001.JPG?psid=1

                          It's kinda interesting because if you think that might work then maybe we can make a hybrid that is better than both in some way, maybe. I know what I can do before my new chips come is make a drawing of your circuit to suit my new chips and check that with you, to make sure I got it right this time.
                          I'll do it with SCH program.

                          Cheers
                          Last edited by Farmhand; 01-08-2011, 01:24 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by Farmhand View Post
                            .................................................. ...............................................
                            .................................................. ...............................................
                            Gmeast

                            Alright I think I ruined another one, but !! I know what happened, kind of, the pinout being all different to yours confused me this time and last time I didn't even realise that, which explains the smoke I guess, and I only had two not three. Haha And now I look and see that the one's which should get here in a couple of days ( better ones ) are also different again to both. Hmmm So now all I can do is make the new setup ( with correct pinout ) to take the new chips when they come, Gee wizz I'm glad i don't get frustrated easy.

                            Anyway so I was looking at your drawing trying to wrap my head around what made it tick, and I thought it looked very similar to the way the 4001 chip circuit works, in principal kind of, So I started drawing pictures connecting the dots the same way the 4001 circuit works but with the op-amp just for fun and this is what the drawing looks like, I have no intention of trying it unless I have some idea if it might work, I fried two chips just failing at the correct circuit, so I don't want to waste any more by trying this when I don't even know if it will work.

                            So do you think this would work ? It looks like it would be simpler if it did, it probably wouldn't be as stable as your arrangement even if it did work, but for us "chip challenged" people simple is better.

                            http://9xhxlw.bay.livefilestore.com/...001.JPG?psid=1

                            It's kinda interesting because if you think that might work then maybe we can make a hybrid that is better than both in some way, maybe. I know what I can do before my new chips come is make a drawing of your circuit to suit my new chips and check that with you, to make sure I got it right this time.
                            I'll do it with SCH program.

                            Cheers
                            Hi Farmhand,

                            I suggest you refer to the very original pdf of this circuit I posted on page 3 of this thread. It's possible I copied the diagram incorrectly from THAT document. The MAXIM document is here:

                            http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...hModulator.pdf

                            What I have is exactly what's in that schematic except I used what resistor values I had. I added a 'pot input' for "VIN" on U1C and a variable resistor (2/3 pot) for "R" in UA1.

                            I may have transposed the schematic when rearranging it to reflect a schematic of the circuit on the physical pinout of the actual chip I'm using. I don't think I did, but if you find something please let me know and I'll fix it ... I don't want to be handing out misleading technical info'.

                            Good luck. Later

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                            • Originally posted by cikljamas View Post
                              Farmhand, look what happens when you kip to little :
                              YouTube - spediter.MOV
                              Thats hilarious, I have done similar things, but my car didn't start up and drive away with me in it. He must have went to a party at his neighbours place and was too drunk to drive so he slept in his chariot then when the sun came up the horse headed home. If his horse hadn't of got pulled over by the police he probably would have woke up at home few hours later and wondered why his mates let him drive. Hahaha

                              Greg, no probs I think your latest drawing is ok but I just did it wrong twice my own mistake's thats for sure. I did expect it, as it always seems to happen. I'll make a drawing from that one you linked to suit the op-amps I have coming, third time lucky.

                              I can't stop laughing about that guy asleep in his wagon.

                              Cheers

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