This is it !

[cikljamas]

I can't stop laughing about that guy asleep in his wagon.
Cheers

My wife is pushing me to repeat this video again and again, but
i must translate it to you, so that you can lough even more...
(it happened in Serbia)and our languages are so similar that we
understand each other 100 %, and conversation between the
policeman and this gipsy is so hilarious that we just roll over the
floor when we listen them, thas is rular area and these guys
speak funny from our point of view even when they are serious,
and in situation like this it is just the same effect as if we watch
the best of Leslie Nielsen or Jim Carrey...
So, policeman asks guy :
Hi, how come you drive that wagon like that (as gipsy was awake)
(stupid policeman), and after that he asks gipsy to show him a
drivers licence, and gipsy has no documents at all, and policeman
is kind of surprised : how come you do not have any documents,
what is your second name (as if he knew all gipsys by their names)
and at the end gipsy explains that he did not drink, not even one drop
of alcohol , he is just very, very tired...hahahahahaha....
Would you like one bonus video, also from Serbia, but this one is from
their capital city :
YouTube - Zaspao na raskrsnici (By N100)
This guy sleeps in the middle of crossroads and radio receiver is playing
loudly in his car, but it is impossible to wake him up, just watch...

Concerning electronics, i played today again with your desulfator, and
bingos and stingos and right now i am working on one new desulfator,
with 555 IC, in hour or two i will know the results...I tried even Gregs
circuit again but as i told you two weeks ago this circuit gives me
no results what so ever...

Enjoy, and tell me whats up with rain, is it rainy weather again over
there ?

Cheers !

[gmeast]

Here we go

Hi everyone,

I've started sinding. I've completed about 1/4 of the secondary winding with the 16ga Teflon-insulated, silver plated, solid copper wire as of this post. I did NOT wrap anything on the core to start with ... the 'wrapping' pdf manual indicated it was not required. In the picture, the wraps look loose but they are not. It's just an optical contrast thing between the blue-green core and the white wire. On;ly the very first wrap is loose and that will be tightened later. On the ID, it looks as though there are gaps, but that is where the occasional printing on the wire coincides with adjacent turns.

This wire is hard to handle, requires much endurance to maintain taughtness and requires the occasional break and also an occasional creative new curse word. I found that Gorilla Tape works good to hold the wire in place during breaks. There's no letting up with this stuff ... if you're winding then you are WORKING ... it's a job!

Here:
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...roid_begin.jpg

When I start the primaries I will unwind and rewind what HG sold me onto 3 spools ... don't know why they sent it all on one spool. It would be the real s*h*i*t*s if the last primary was shy ... and besides, the guide said there wasn't an established number of turns for the primaries just that they are equal ... because your hydroxy cell is part of the equation .... but I'm not building for hydroxy 'anything' so what's it matter. I believe I can pulse fast enough and short enough for this experiment ... but I'll need the digital PWM modules I'm building to be able to 'swirl' all 3 primaries.

Too bad Bob Boyce has 'pulled in' and has become 'hush hush' (or selective) with regards to the Hex Controller ... Oh well, if Bob can do it then I or anyone else with the will to create a controller just for the battery charging aspect can do it too.

Later

[Farmhand]

Making three lengths

Hi Greg, I'm a bit jealous, I will be about a week or two behind you at least and thats just with toroid winding. Looks good, I thought it might be a bit of a pig to wind, it'll take time but hopefully it will be well worth it.

The best suggestion I can make which is likely what you already have planned is to unroll the wire between two stakes or something. The way I do it because I have big long staight electric fence's with steel posts is. If you don't have a long fence, maybe the footpath (sidewalk) or something (try not to neck any unsuspecting member of the public though) I'll outline what I do, it may benifit anybody else really who makes coils. I know it works and make's my coil winding much easier.

I measure out a section of fence the length I want, with a start and end post a bit shorter than I need, say if I want 30 feet lengths I find a section with two posts about that far apart ( there are some inbetween of course).

Then I put some plastic steel post insulators ( for electric fencing ) on the posts in that section.

Tie the end of the wire to the first posts insulator, then suspend the wire in the insulators from one end to the other and back again for how many windings I want.

Then I make sure I have the three wires all together and resonably taught at the correct length i want, before I cut them from the spool. Which leaves me with a long wire looped back and forth between the posts.

Then if i'm twisting them I do it now, "before" cutting the looped ends to make the individual windings.

If I want them separate but same length, I just wind them on separate spools without the twisting (after i've cut the looped ends to make the individual windings).

This way I am certain the lengths are the same and are the actual length I want. The wire is also undamaged this way.

Anything that will work will do, but the insulators have pins that can be used to allow the wire to be placed and removed without having to thread them through the hole.

They look like this- Pinlock Steel Post Insulator - Steel Post Insulators - Gallagher Permanent Electric Fencing

Just thought I would share that incase it is usefull to someone.
Hope this helps some others in some way. Next time I make a coil i'll get a piccy.
Cheers

[gmeast]

end round 1

OK peoples,

I just finished winding the secondary on my 650-52 core. My next step will be to evenly space the turns on the circumference of the assembly, secure and apply the bee's wax ... that should be a fun thing. Then I'll be ready for the 3 primaries ... and pretty much the same thing again.

I guess I should thank HG for sending extra 16ga wire. Lookie in the picture... there's quit a big chunk of wire left over ... enough for some chokes and/or another smaller transformer.

Here:
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...nd_round_1.jpg

Later

[Farmhand]

Excelent looks like a heap of wire left over. Nice job. How did you get the wire real tight inside like that, what did you find to use ? Please keep us posted with picture's, that will be very helpfull to hear any new handy tips you come up with.

I have some trimmer line to space the outer part of the winding but i'm not sure if it will be the right size. Can you count the turns and measure the wire thickness (insulation aswell ) for me please ?



OK sorry 116 winds is it you got on there ? I counted them three times thats my last count.

[gmeast]

pulled hard

Excelent looks like a heap of wire left over. Nice job. How did you get the wire real tight inside like that, what did you find to use ? Please keep us posted with picture's, that will be very helpfull to hear any new handy tips you come up with.

I have some trimmer line to space the outer part of the winding but i'm not sure if it will be the right size. Can you count the turns and measure the wire thickness (insulation aswell ) for me please ?



OK sorry 116 winds is it you got on there ? I counted them three times thats my last count.

Hey Farmhand,

I pulled really really hard and also, since there are four 'flat' surfaces, the wire wants to create a slight outward bow because it still is a little springy, so you have to make sure to press the wire onto the core as well as wind it. I did it in about three sittings. Also, you must make sure that your turn is as 'radial' as possible, or co-linear to a radial from the center (spoke) because if you don't wind it straight enough from the beginning, when you even up the circumferential spacing, the turn will become loose.

Of course you didn't think for one second that I wasn't going to pulse this thing did ya'? At low Hz (1.8kHz), it looks just like the air core coil I posted a couple of days back (400ft spool of 12ga insulated solid copper wire). I have NO idea what that means ... it's like the core ain't there!

Thanks for counting for me ... I hadn't bothered to count 'em yet. It's supposed to be 'full compliment', so I figured "it's as many as it is".


Later

[gmeast]

wire

Excelent looks like a heap of wire left over. Nice job. How did you get the wire real tight inside like that, what did you find to use ? Please keep us posted with picture's, that will be very helpfull to hear any new handy tips you come up with.

I have some trimmer line to space the outer part of the winding but i'm not sure if it will be the right size. Can you count the turns and measure the wire thickness (insulation aswell ) for me please ?



OK sorry 116 winds is it you got on there ? I counted them three times thats my last count.

Hi Farmhand,

The wire measures:
-Bare = 0.0495 to 0.050 which is actually under spec. (0.0503 to 0.0508 to 0.0513)
-W/Insulation = 0.086 to 0.087, though I don't know what it's supposed to be

Still haven't counted the turns ... don't think I can count that high.

Later

[Farmhand]

Ok I measure my core to 525mm outside circumference, the wire is 2.2mm if my conversion is correct so 116 winds x 2.2mm = 255.2mm.

525 - 255.2 = 269.8mm of gaps / 116 gaps = 2.325mm roughly. Well I think I might have some 2.4mm trimmer line but it might be the star pattern line not the solid stuff star pattern might have some give but it might be bodgy 2.3 might be better don't know. Haha did you measure your core before you wound it.

Cheers

[cikljamas]

desulfators OU

Hi guys, i have to report OU to you !
Well, at least i hope !
We shall know for sure in the morning,
but even if it turned up not to be OU
this result is already very, very nice
result in my humble opinion !
But, why do not you just see my
brand new video and make conclusion
by yourself...

YouTube - desulfators OU

Now, before i post this video i have to mention that until now
4 hours has pasted since i began my experiment, and the values
are still the same...

Enjoy !

[gmeast]

core

Ok I measure my core to 525mm outside circumference, the wire is 2.2mm if my conversion is correct so 116 winds x 2.2mm = 255.2mm.

525 - 255.2 = 269.8mm of gaps / 116 gaps = 2.325mm roughly. Well I think I might have some 2.4mm trimmer line but it might be the star pattern line not the solid stuff star pattern might have some give but it might be bodgy 2.3 might be better don't know. Haha did you measure your core before you wound it.

Cheers

Hi Farmhand,

No ... I did not measure the core ... but I did count the turns. After all, I can't have someone else know more about my coil than I do ... ha! I count 116 also.

[gmeast]

round-2 ... spacing the turns, part 1

Hi ladies and germs,

As per Farmhand's request and because I'm just a super nice guy, here is my toroid winding progress.

I'll start by saying I failed miserably on my first attempt to secure the secondary for spacing the turns by placing a single band of tape around the center ... who would do that? ... you can't see if the turns go straight across or not. So, I placed two very narrow band around each edge:
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...d/round-2a.JPG
The spacers are shorts of 16ga wire with some thinner insulation than normal and they measure 0.086" dia. The two bands of tape allow you to preliminarily space everything by eye first so that you don't have to do too much readjusting as you insert the spacers. The spacers insert right under the tape ... you jam them in from the side (front/back of the core). Sorry about the blurry picture ... my camera wasn't wearing its glasses.
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...d/round-2b.JPG
I start on one side of the termination leads and put some spacers in 1/6 around (about), then some going the other direction.
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...d/round-2c.JPG
...'till I'm done
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...d/round-2d.JPG

Now the next step is to straighten the radial portions of the turns and make those nice too:
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...d/round-2e.JPG
... haven't started that yet.
Then I can anchor the radials with some spots of bee's wax like shown in the toroid winding guide, AND because I have access to the center of the winds on the circumference (thanks to my ingenious two, two, two bands of tape instead of one), I can progressively remove spacers and anchor there too ... hooray for our side!

I'll post some more pictures when I start the anchoring process and 'icing the cake' with hot bee's wax ... what a dance that will be ... OH CRAP, I don't have a heat gun! Anyone want to donate a heat gun to a good cause?

There ... enjoy. Later

[7imix]

Of course you didn't think for one second that I wasn't going to pulse this thing did ya'? At low Hz (1.8kHz), it looks just like the air core coil I posted a couple of days back (400ft spool of 12ga insulated solid copper wire). I have NO idea what that means ... it's like the core ain't there!

that's cool, thanks for the info. Isn't that the point of having the advanced material core, to allow for extremely fast switching inside the core, like an air core? If you had an inductance meter you could measure the spool and the toroid to see if the core makes a significant difference in inductance, capacitance, etc. They can be found for cheap on eBay.

Here's one for ten bucks.

LCR Inductance Capacitance Digital Multimeter Meter RCL - eBay (item 300418629699 end time Jan-12-11 02:35:56 PST)

What other specs of the core might affect the output?

[Farmhand]

Hi guys, i have to report OU to you !
Well, at least i hope !
We shall know for sure in the morning,
but even if it turned up not to be OU
this result is already very, very nice
result in my humble opinion !
But, why do not you just see my
brand new video and make conclusion
by yourself...

YouTube - desulfators OU

Now, before i post this video i have to mention that until now
4 hours has pasted since i began my experiment, and the values
are still the same...

Enjoy !

Good job cikljamas, I would like to see a drawing of how you did that, seems something strange is going on there, which is good. Any idea how much current the lights usually use with normal power ? I blew 6 x 5mm bright white led's all at once with my setup, But I think it was because of overvolting them not current. Do you get any lighting effects like this video clip below, I can change DC to AC with my finger, which is a bit wierd I have to admit, but it is interesting and i like "interesting".

YouTube - AlternateFarmhand1's Channel

Looks like OU to me, congratulations. I'm still stumped by how we will get good self charging but there must be a way, if we can tap the "Ambient Backround" or the "Near Field" as greg like's to call it or the "Aether" as I like to call it, then it's inevitable, we will work out a way to to tap it and shove the extra into a battery till it reads 14.6 volts When we get it to work I am going to try to attempt to destroy a 7 Ah gell cell battery by overcharging, hopefully it will explode. Anyway good work and keep thinking both inside and outside the box.

Greg, it's starting to look beutifull, I think I will use trimmer line and leave it in there, isn't that what Bob does, i'll have another look Thanks for the pics and the tips they will be helpfull for sure.

7imix, I am going to search Aussie ebay now for a meter like that, I need one real bad. I though they would be more expensive than that. I have to clear a special work space for this project so I don't get too messy and confused, i'm terrible at making mess and losing things.

Cheers all

[gmeast]

650-52 core

that's cool, thanks for the info. Isn't that the point of having the advanced material core, to allow for extremely fast switching inside the core, like an air core? If you had an inductance meter you could measure the spool and the toroid to see if the core makes a significant difference in inductance, capacitance, etc. They can be found for cheap on eBay.

Here's one for ten bucks.

LCR Inductance Capacitance Digital Multimeter Meter RCL - eBay (item 300418629699 end time Jan-12-11 02:35:56 PST)

What other specs of the core might affect the output?

Hi 7imix,

Thanks ... I guess I should post a picture of it for comparison to the air core coil I posted earlier so everyone can see the attributes of an advanced material core. Thanks 7imix ... I'm doing that right now

Later

[gmeast]

air core & 650-52 core

Hi all,

7imix pointed out to me the whole point of having an advanced material core in the first place such as energy storage without energy loss, so here are two scope captures. The first is the air core coil I posted January 3, 2011 and the 650-52 core I'm winding now (pulsing the completed secondary).

Air Core:
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...re_w-diode.JPG

650-52 Toroidal Core:
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...-PWM-drvr0.JPG

WOW ... how they are similar! They're almost exactly the same. How's that possible?

Later