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Missing coil....
From what I have gathered you do not have "the missing piece", I happen to have talked to several individuals in direct contact with Boyce...you need to be trying to replicate an alternator running at a certain rpm (resonance) with a single busted diode (accidental find on Boyce's part).
The whole toroid setup is an emulation of an alternator...but, without moving parts.....
I may be wrong, but I did not read anybody talking about the "secret" 2nd secondary winding...Underneath the normally wound 1st secondary, there is another secondary...wound parallel to the toroid (pancake coil)
This winding creates an "energy avalanche" according to Boyce...be warned, it may be very dangerous without a regulating load. Boyce supposedly created lightning that nearly killed him and destroyed test equipment.
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If done correctly, the primaries create a sort of magnetic particle accelerator, and the uni-directional (non-flipping, only pulsating) magnetic circuit could become quite serious, and a flat pancake coil could create a massive DC potential (imagine a sort of homopolar generator)....BE CAREFUL!!!!Comment
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No secret anything here
Hi Ordo_Ab_Chao,Originally posted by Ordo_Ab_Chao View Post
Thanks for your interest. I think you may be referring to something else. The toroid being used here is the exact same toroid that Bob specifies for Hydroxy production. This entire thread is aimed at replicating the opening video but without using a microprocessor-based controller. Bob's Hex Controller was designed for use with the three-primary toroid and a Hydroxy cell. Then by reprogramming the Hex Controller to pulse the toroid's 3 primaries with rapid, hi frequency pulses (sequentially) non-hertzian conditions are generated that allow LE to flow into the current environment and charge the battery.
I don't think resonance plays a part here. Non-Hertian (waves) implies no resonance or fixed periodicity. That's my understanding. Bob would have mentioned it to me during his brief visit here in this thread and in several PM's he sent me.
We'll continue along our current path. If you can offer specifics about the so-called "secret 2nd secondary winding" please post any details here. I believe what you're referring to was some of Bob's 'earlier' 3-phase work.
Those individuals who have had direct contact with Bob are welcomed to visit here. As you can see, we are very focused. It is odd however... now that we have our toroids wound and have developed a dedicated Multi-Phase Controller (MPC), all of a sudden there is a missing ingredient.
It doesn't matter ... as far as I'm concerned, we still need the MPC I've developed ... it can simulate a broken alternator.
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if u say so...
Those individuals who have talked to him, have already posted on this thread, I will not directly tell you who...instead I will allow them to see these posts and comment if they choose to...otherwise it is not my place to put them on blast.
(was asked not to tell info...so we'll see)
The iteration I speak of is a culmination...the pinnacle of his research so to speak.
The toroid you guys are making will make a nice toy...good luck
P.S. this was about a year ago, the threats were there then, so, I do not suspect full disclosure here...but who knowsComment
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Hi Ordo_Ab_Chao,I believe you speak of the Magnetic bias winding which is wound around the outer face of the core first before winding the secondary.Originally posted by Ordo_Ab_Chao View Post
We are aware of these things. If I don't get the result i want from this one I will buy another or simply rewind this one but all in good time. But we will be using this setup.
I also have plans to construct a Stan Meyer partical accelerator which is similar but different. What do you think about that ? It will use a similar circuit.
Anyway what makes people think that the ways Bob has tried are the only and best possible ways. No one knows everything.
We are not dummies here. Haha. We do however appreciate non condescending input.
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Ordo_Ab_Chao, I must make another post to you, I don't want to sound unthankfull. We did speak of the bias winding and how they would work and the effect on the core and flux. Also the resulting effect to the output.
There are also other windings that can be done. We are aware of these too.I may be wrong, but I did not read anybody talking about the "secret" 2nd secondary winding...Underneath the normally wound 1st secondary, there is another secondary...wound parallel to the toroid (pancake coil)
This winding creates an "energy avalanche" according to Boyce...be warned, it may be very dangerous without a regulating load. Boyce supposedly created lightning that nearly killed him and destroyed test equipment.
The broken alternator effect was for the production of HHO. Thats in the coding or the firing sequence and/ or the DC bias which is applied through the regular secondary as carrier current. The DC bias and the Magnetic bias are different and applied in different ways. I'm not worried about any suppression because lots of people have BB toroid setups and they live.
Bob should be pleased we are doing this so publically. It can only further his cause and his work. Which I believe is valid work. When bob dropped in he did not mention the other winding was needed for our purpose. If it is needed I for one will be very dissapointed in Bob as will a great many other people who are rooting for us. To nail down some excess energy.
So if you have any specific information to give us please do so. We will appreciate it. PM it if you must no one will say where the info come's from if that is what you wish.
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deception, distraction, detraction
Hi Farmhand and 7imix,
Don't you just think it's odd that this 'claim of secret stuff' comes up now? Anyway I don't care.
I now have 4-Phases fully controllable and it's exciting. I will make a private video shortly for you two guys. I'll make a public one too, but I won't show or say anything about circuitry yet ... you really can't see anything more than a mess of wires anyway.
The circuit draws 65mA ... this is so far inside the limit I set for myself ... I'm very happy.
@7imix - really glad you got your LTC6900 working ... it's a real power saver!
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No boasting here
I am not trying to be condescending in the least. I know full well that there are many, many ways to do the same thing. My statement as this being a toy is because you will have the affect we all want...but it will be on a "toy scale" meaning you will be able to do some cool stuff with a 700mah battery, but nothing much bigger.
In my opinion I see a common denominator with devices that can do tangible work, Low voltage high amperage + High Voltage low amperage. I see it time and time again. We can make each of these separate for very little energy, and I have witnessed what happens when you mix them (and it is a little tricky). (Imagine two tanks, one is full of water, but it's just pouring out no pressure...the second is full of pressurized air....now put the two together)
I only mentioned the third winding because it was explained to me to be important. So important that Bob was focusing completely on it...no need for HHO. If that story has changed, I have a feeling it changed for nefarious reasons. The energy cartel IS real (90% of individual's income is spent on energy costs, one way or another 90%)... and we are on a mission to tip it over! Probably wouldn't sit well.
Anyway, physics is repeatable, scalable and reversible. So, if you get a small scale device working then proof is there. I mean no disrespect, I just see the HV low amp side...but no low voltage high amp.
However, I am glad to see microcontrollers coming into play. I am currently working on digital control of analog circuits. Microc...ontrollers could speed this all up so fast.
As for the Meyer's gaseous generator...I couldn't recommend it more!
I actually have a story of synchronicity
Through my earlier works I worked in an office in Milwaukie, Or. where I made HHO boosters and circuits for capital while I worked on Meyer's systems. While at this office an associate of mine Ben Misler (retired engineer that worked on minute-man missiles) brought in a friend. This friend was an actual investor of Meyer's. He asked me if I ever saw his generator...He said Stan would make the gas and spin it and create electricity.
This fact has made me a firm believer in the idea that Stan's power was not from HHO as we know (neutralized electrolysis based gas), but ionized versions having an imbalanced net charge.
Anyway, sorry to ruffle feathers...keep it up!Comment
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Sucahyo mentioned the longitudinal winding very early in in this thread... I also saw it mentioned in a winding guide once but I would have to go looking to find out which one.
When Boyce was briefly participating on this thread, he did say that we would have to do more than just pulse some coils, but I think I assumed at the time that he meant we would have to get the phasing or the frequency right.
In the original video watkykjy showed the leads for the primaries and the secondary but did not mention another winding. Perhaps the longitudinal winding does not have external connections? I can imagine it being like a race track for the charge that builds up to be swirled around the torus. If there is a large static charge around the torus and it is swirled around a longitudinal winding, I can see how that would generate a current. But how would it be recovered? Would the magnetic field being generated by the current through the longitudinal winding have any effect on the primaries or secondary? It seems like it wouldn't.
Regardless, the real purpose is understanding, not blind replication, so if pulsing the toroid without a longitudinal winding does not have results, that will be more data to understand what is necessary to make this work.Comment
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No probs, We aren't trying to replicate the Hex controller itself. Just the self charging effect. Of which the final fronteer, the "choke" may well be the most baffling part. I've had no luck with it as yet.
I think Stan may have had a few ways to do a few different things.Originally posted by Ordo_Ab_Chao View Post
But his EPG is very interesting. To say the least, but thats another project for later.
No offence taken.
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Gmeast, try not to get too thrown off balance. We don't have to fear disinformation because we can simply go back to the source of truth: experiment. It is probably a good idea to keep working on the toroids as they are, especially because we are so close. Failed experiments can be extremely useful because they show us where our assumptions are wrong. The ego doesn't want it's assumptions to be wrong so it fears information which does not match it's world view, but our assumptions would blind us to the truth which is always and everywhere before us.
If you think about it, the self charger that can charge a battery by running all night is a toy, because it's not generating huge excess, just a trickle of excess compounded over time. Obviously what is demonstrated in the original video at the beginning of this thread is a toy compared to a device that can generate so much static charge imbalance that it causes a lightning strike. However it is still very useful for us to try to replicate this toy, which is what we have been doing all along. Crawl before we walk.
Ordo ab chao, how low voltage are you talking? 12 volts? Lower? How high current? The mosfets we are using can drive a lot of current, if we need to produce the current ourselves. I can also see how you might be talking about taking the high voltage low amp output and transforming it into low voltage, high current, like don smith does in his devices.
The plasma generator is very interesting. Ionize a gas and you have a charge imbalance. Rotate the plasma correctly and I can see how it could generate amps, since amps are opposite charges moving in opposition to each other... Don smith has a couple of plasma devices too. I can see how the plasma takes the place of the coil as the container for the charge imbalance.
Thanks for the food for thought Ordo ab chao.Comment
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"the order from the chaos" I like that.Comment
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off balance?
If I was so 'off balance' I wouldn't be ignoring this guy. He suddenly shows up and starts blabbing like some expert. Look how much time of ours he's already wasted.Originally posted by 7imix View Post
I've noticed that many people on these forums and in these threads are VERY articulate writers and probably speakers too.
He talks about all that he's seen. You guys can PM with him. I think he's full of hot air ... so far he's offered NOTHING that we haven't already explored and taken into account before setting our focus after Bob's visit.
If he had been reading anything we're doing, then he would know we are NOT using a microcontroller.
I hate how 'experts' like this come into the thread completely oblivious or blind to the progress that's been made and the time and money that's been spent.
OK, Ordo_Ab_Chao AKA Mr. Expert ... what exactly is the direction you would like us to take? You seem to know all about what we're doing, and we must be doing it wrong, so tell us the 'new' direction to take and how to correct the errors we've already made. There ... the stage is yours.
It's making me think twice.Comment
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