This is it !

[gmeast]

how we stop this

It would be very nice if you elaborated this a little bit more or attach the
links or pdf which could be of great help to get closer sight to thing that
you are talking about with some precise and detailed practical info (how
to stuffs)...I ll be glad to see your jpgs too, of course !

I believe you it is addicting, i bought few months ago book with cd about
pic hex programing but i still hesitate to read it because like other
programing it does not work like that, i mean if you want to read books
like that you have to start programing at the same time, and not just
that, you have to buy pic which price is about 150 $, etc...
Yes, getting sidetracked is easy, and i d like to stay on the road...
Well, if you like you can see my last try of staying on the analog road :
YouTube - one more step.avi

Hi cikljamas,

Thanks for the video link. Isn't technology wonderful? You got me laughing at the end when you said "... how we stop this ...", very candid. I will be more precise with my details as soon as I have some. I only now just decided to dive into this. Also, I am wondering if we need the Toroid or if we can use some other efficient transformer design because we are not caring about the secondary ??? ... input someone pls. ALSO, there will be Joule heating (ohmic heating) and that is part of the power output on top of the charging effect. So, don't be discouraged down the line if your battery stays constant because your transformer will heat up (you have COP>1). Now if your transformer cools down then you have something really spectacular.

Greg

[cikljamas]

cikljamas I have a capacitor almost exactly like yours in the video, did you get it from a washing machine? Was it made in Australia? I don't have anything to offer at the moment. That would be frustrating watching a battery pushing against itself, somehow you need to pulse the charge in, in between the ouput draw periods, I imagine.

Cheers.

No, i didnt get it from a washing machine, though i have one (14 microF.)
that i pull out last summer from a washing machine (i was pulling out
induction motor in fact, Teslas invention,hahaha, is there anything that
Tesla didnt invented, unbelievable guy...Tesla you must be laughing up
there seeing us as children that playing so clumsy with your toys that we
do not understand so well), but this capacitor from the video can be for
used for the same purpose of course...I dont know if it is made in Australia,
i have uncle there, i could ask him to check that information (joke)...
I need to pulse the charge in, in between the output draw periods, hm,
i guess so...

Originally posted by gmeast
Hi cikljamas,
Thanks for the video link. Isn't technology wonderful? You got me laughing at the end when you said "... how we stop this ...", very candid.

I am delighted to give other people reason for laughing even if it is my
clumsiness, or something like that...I imagine how you was going to laugh
if you could understand what i said in croatian at the very end of the video...

Originally posted by gmeast
Also, I am wondering if we need the Toroid or if we can use some other efficient transformer design because we are not caring about the secondary ???

I asked Sucahyo what he thinks about using Bob Boyce toroid, but he
said that it is too complicated to make one correct, so i dont know, and
you said ( if i understood correctly)that it is not such a big deal, who is
right...I am wondering too if Bob Boyce toroid could give better results then
ordinary toroid wounded by hand that i used in that video...Some other
transformer that you think about as possible substitution i tried too, but
they are better for some other purposes in stingo context...I even wounded
today one pancake coil, but it is not good choice for this self charging
battery project...

Originally posted by gmeast
So, don't be discouraged down the line if your battery stays constant because your transformer will heat up (you have COP>1). Now if your transformer cools down then you have something really spectacular.

Greg

I wont be discouraged down the line, at least i hope i wont be, and
i think that transformer does cool down, same as transistors, they are
not even warm...I hope we ll get somewhere over the rainbow and be
able soon say : Yes, we have something really spectacular...
Thanks for your care and support !
And, as Farmhand already said : Dont go,but stay with us instead !

[gmeast]

toroid

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I am delighted to give other people reason for laughing even if it is my
clumsiness, or something like that...I imagine how you was going to laugh
if you could understand what i said in croatian at the very end of the video...

I'm not making fun of you ... you know that !

I asked Sucahyo what he thinks about using Bob Boyce toroid, but he
said that it is too complicated to make one correct, so i dont know, and
you said ( if i understood correctly)that it is not such a big deal, who is
right...I am wondering too if Bob Boyce toroid could give better results then
ordinary toroid wounded by hand that i used in that video...Some other
transformer that you think about as possible substitution i tried too, but
they are better for some other purposes in stingo context...I even wounded
today one pancake coil, but it is not good choice for this self charging
battery project...

Since we don't need the secondary winding, why wind it in the first place ? If we wind only the three (3) primary windings and do a very careful and neat job with spacing etc, it will be better coupling to the toroidal core, don't you think ?

I wont be discouraged down the line, at least i hope i wont be, and
i think that transformer does cool down, same as transistors, they are
not even warm...I hope we ll get somewhere over the rainbow and be
able soon say : Yes, we have something really spectacular...
Thanks for your care and support !
And, as Farmhand already said : Dont go,but stay with us instead !

I kind of fell in love with this simple approach. Bedini's SG motor spikes the battery, Newman's motor spikes the battery and it seems that these systems all spike the battery to crack the near field and charge with it. But one thing is common to them all and that is that they do NOT EVER saturate the coil/core ... I think this is important to get the charging energy from the near field from the core's reaction to the pulse (and field collapse) via the diodes back to the battery. This is exciting to do with just a single battery. I don't like swapping batteries and not knowing for sure.

Greg

[gmeast]

thanks

Hi Gmeast, Anyway, I'm going the 'analog' route. This is why:



I knew we could count on you to cut through the @%>$ and come back with renewed vigor. I would hope by you guys taking a less complicated approach to begin with, it may be easier for others to understand whats actually happenning. And some of us may learn from what you are doing, something we can use in other ways as well.

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Yes Farmhand,

Thanks and we'll give it a go.

Greg

[cikljamas]

I'm not making fun of me ... you know that !

I know that, my friend ! But even if you made fun of me it would not be
hard feelings from my side, because humor takes priority in my life, that
is why i am very, very tolerant to people who like to make jokes, and even
if they exaggerate from time to time let them be...I was astonished month
ago listening how one cnn reporter ask not to be object of making fun by
one famous comedian...Sad example how people do not know how to be
tolerant to other people, and asking what he has been asking is the same
thing that he thought he fights against...

Since we don't need the secondary winding, why wind it in the first place ? If we wind only the three (3) primary windings and do a very careful and neat job with spacing etc, it will be better coupling to the toroidal core, don't you think ?

Yes, it doesn make sense, if i understood you correctly : Those three
phases would be connected at the end of story for stingo purpose
wouldnt they ? There is no use and no sense to do it in the first place...
If i understood you wrong, correct me...

Here is my new video with much smaller battery and 3 times bigger
capacitor...I am using two identical meters to be able to make more
accurate measuring...And with this small battery it seems that it is
obviously cop = 1...There is no discharging...With new capacitor we
have about 200 V on the output...Watch it and enjoy it listening
beautiful song in the background of stingo buzzing !
YouTube - stingo romance

[gyula]

....
Here is my new video with much smaller battery and 3 times bigger
capacitor...I am using two identical meters to be able to make more
accurate measuring...And with this small battery it seems that it is
obviously cop = 1...There is no discharging...With new capacitor we
have about 200 V on the output...Watch it and enjoy it listening
beautiful song in the background of stingo buzzing !
YouTube - stingo romance

Hi,

Would like to understand why you say COP=1. ..
If you consider the 11.92V input voltage and the 600mA input current (if your current meters show that I suppose), this is 0.7152 Watt input power.

And you say you get 200V in the capacitor. This cap is 31.5uF if I can see it correctly in the video. So it stores (200*200*0.0000315)/2=0.63 Joule i.e. 0.63Wattsec. This is a COP of 0.63/0.7152=0.88 in every second.
Am I mistaken?

rgds, Gyula

[cikljamas]

Hi,

Would like to understand why you say COP=1. ..
If you consider the 11.92V input voltage and the 600mA input current (if your current meters show that I suppose), this is 0.7152 Watt input power.

And you say you get 200V in the capacitor. This cap is 31.5uF if I can see it correctly in the video. So it stores (200*200*0.0000315)/2=0.63 Joule i.e. 0.63Wattsec. This is a COP of 0.63/0.7152=0.88 in every second.
Am I mistaken?

rgds, Gyula

Well, i have to check this formula in the book, but according this formula
it seems that if i put capacitor of 100 microF. i would achieve COP = 2,7
(200*200*0,000100)/2=2...2/0,7152= 2,7964205...
Am i mistaken ?
It seems you are not mistaken because after 3,5 hours my battery though
dropped from 11,92 to 11,91...It is in accordance with your arithmetic...
So, have i put correct this formula changing value of cap. from 31,5 to 100 ?
I cant believe that changing cap. from 31,5 to 100 i could achieve above
result...I have to made mistake somewhere...

[gmeast]

stingo

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Watch it and enjoy it listening beautiful song in the background of stingo buzzing !
YouTube - stingo romance

who / what is "stingo"

[gyula]

Hi,

Of course you may charge up higher value capacitors with your circuit. However you have to check if the input current changes when you start with a higher capacitor. And it would be desirable to filter the the input current via a a series choke coil and some thousand uF shunt capacitor if your setup operates by pulsing. The current meter would go say from directly the battery positive to a choke coil (which is at least some milliHenry coil like the ones used in an audio crossovers, these are air core coils so they cannot saturate) and the series choke's other end would go to the circuit positive supply input and at this common positive point you could connect a big value shunting electrolytic capacitor to the negative battery input of the circuit. This way the pulsed current measurement can be improved to get meaningful DC values.
(If you have no high mH air core coils for the chokes, then you can use laminated transformer cored coils where the core can have some air gap like in an E-I shaped lamination format, to prevent or reduce saturation, otherwise the coil cannot 'choke'.)

So if your setup can charge up a 100uF cap to 200V DC while the input current remains around 600-700mA from the 11.9V, then you probably have a COP > 1. I use the word 'probably' because in that case you would have to double or triple check the input current to verify true input power.
Besides using the filters to clean up the current, if you happen to have an oscilloscope then you may wish to use a 1 Ohm resistor in series with the battery (where the current meter is also placed, between the battery and the choke's one end) and measure the voltage drop (hence the waveform) across the 1 Ohm with the scope, so the current can be estimated that way too. I apologize I did not read all the earlier posts from you so that I do not exactly know what is the circuit schematic you use, only I saw the video and your last posts. So I would like to see some schematic or some more description on your circuit. Will have some more time tomorrow to wade through some of the earlier pages to possibly see your circuit if it was included already.

rgds, Gyula

[cikljamas]

who / what is "stingo"

Stingo is a singer that you can listen if you pay attention in 49-54 sec.
of the video when camera get close to capacitor, you can clearly hear
buzzing of stingo...But, of course, you knew what is stingo even without
this unnecessary explanation...

[gyula]

Hej cikljamas,

Why did not you correct my mistake? LOL I just realized your input current is not 0.6A but 0.06A! Sorry for this!

Now it seems you store more energy in the output capacitor than you take out from the battery... I just watched your previous video "one more step.avi" too but now what I do not get is what is the load which takes the output current?

So how is your load connected to the 31.5uF capacitor and what is that load?

thanks, Gyula

[Farmhand]

cikljamas, Your Stingo plays beautiful music, ,Sucahyo

Good job.

[cikljamas]

Hi,

Of course you may charge up higher value capacitors with your circuit. However you have to check if the input current changes when you start with a higher capacitor. And it would be desirable to filter the the input current via a a series choke coil and some thousand uF shunt capacitor if your setup operates by pulsing. The current meter would go say from directly the battery positive to a choke coil (which is at least some milliHenry coil like the ones used in an audio crossovers, these are air core coils so they cannot saturate) and the series choke's other end would go to the circuit positive supply input and at this common positive point you could connect a big value shunting electrolytic capacitor to the negative battery input of the circuit. This way the pulsed current measurement can be improved to get meaningful DC values.

Shunt capacitor is what i think i should use to improve my stingo circuit...
Regading choke coil, it is already in use and now you can see where it is
set in the attached shematic...

So if your setup can charge up a 100uF cap to 200V DC while the input current remains around 600-700mA from the 11.9V, then you probably have a COP > 1. So I would like to see some schematic or some more description on your circuit. Will have some more time tomorrow to wade through some of the earlier pages to possibly see your circuit if it was included already.

rgds, Gyula

I hope your advices will be of a great help...Tank you very much
Just if you could send some link or picture of the best choice for
that shunt capacitor...
Regards !

[cikljamas]

Hej cikljamas,

Why did not you correct my mistake? LOL I just realized your input current is not 0.6A but 0.06A! Sorry for this!

Now it seems you store more energy in the output capacitor than you take out from the battery... I just watched your previous video "one more step.avi" too but now what I do not get is what is the load which takes the output current?

So how is your load connected to the 31.5uF capacitor and what is that load?

thanks, Gyula

The load is the same source battery, i am trying to charge the same battery
that i use at the same time as the source too...Capacitor is in parallel with
battery...

[gyula]

hi cikljamas,

thanks for the schematics. I assume the 31.5uF capacitor is in the place of the 1uF capacitor shown in the bottom schematic?

And I am at a bit loss in understanding what you wrote:

The load is the same source battery, i am trying to charge the same battery
that i use at the same time as the source too...Capacitor is in parallel with
battery...

So you now in the last video do not use a separate source and charge battery but a source battery only and you charge the same single battery what runs your circuit, ok? Could you make from this a schematic, because your last sentence : "Capacitor is in parallel with battery" makes me puzzled... How can the cap have 200V when it is in parallel with the battery?

Please clarify these when you have time. I must finish now.

Thanks, Gyula