This is it !

[Farmhand]

Page 111, fig 94, Wow, I would call that a Flux Flywheel Transformer/Generator. I see a wagon wheel of flux spinning backwards, working like a generator. The winding possibilities!

Genius.

[gmeast]

Ahhh chapter 23

Finally i'm back, I think I overheated my modem , Data Burn Hehe.

Anyway I got it, very nice. Ahh chapter 23 anyone ?

YES ... "Ahh chapter 23" ! !

So, its REALLY the "Tesla Toroid", NOT the 'Boyce Toroid' .... hummmmm

Terminology: I think Tesla's secondary = Boyce primary as well as primary = secondary, etc. I also recognize the quadrature architecture in Tesla ... but the Boyce is the Tesla, effectively.

Look at the description and it says the secondaries can be hooked up any which way depending on function:

"The induced coils are connected together in any desired manner":
... found chapter XXIII on page p 128 of the pdf.

Oh well

[gmeast]

synch

Now i'm not sure, but I think the three primaries as used for battery charging were sycronised, one frequency. Not sure about the secondary being wound first though, I thought of that and winding half first, half later, I think I have seen before big OU claims somewhere with a toroid transformer. They are always taped up how to be sure what we see. I havn't got a core yet but I would wind the three primaries as you intend, secondary can be added later if you wanted to try something. I was thinking with the three different primaries were pulsed at different frequencies or degree the transformer effect to a secondary might be better and to completely cover the primaries, core all would let nothing escape.

I may be wrong but those are my thoughts at the moment. I think that was all, not much but oh well. I have a stereo amp but I can't read the numbers on the two massive componants. They're faded.

You may be right about the synchronization ... he does not elaborate. The glimpse of program in his video does suggest they are all pulsed together. I don't know about the Boyce Hex Box for Hydroxy though.

In the ORBO research they use a toroid for the attracted rotor material. I guess they don't leak, or something.

[gmeast]

quoting myself

You may be right about the synchronization ... he does not elaborate. The glimpse of program in his video does suggest they are all pulsed together. I don't know about the Boyce Hex Box for Hydroxy though.

In the ORBO research they use a toroid for the attracted rotor material. I guess they don't leak, or something.

Does anyone know for sure if watkykjy's set up (video) pulsed all of the primaries at once or are they independently pulsed by the micro in no particular synchronization?

Thanks,

Greg

[Guruji]

Create it Use it Store it

Greg, take a look at the Use for tesla Switch thread. I have posted the drawing and theroy there. A team of us are still working through the details.

The concept is "Create it", "Use it", "Store it", "Use it", "Store it", etc.
We create the energy by pulsing a coil and "capturing" the "Flyback" (spike), then this "Radiant Energy" is stored in the capacitors, then used to pulse the next coil. This coils flyback is used to pulse the next coil, so forth and so on.
We cannot continue to drain the input batt, while trying to create OU. We must be able to do "Work" from another source", "The capacitors" and regain the energy "The Spike".

Hope this helps

Jeff

Interesting what you're saying Bit's -n-Bytes. Do you mean when filling a cap then use another pulser with that cap and charge another without loosing energy?
Can this be closed loop?
Thanks

[cikljamas]

I have begun. I am sourcing analog components. The circuit I am using to generate a Variable Frequency PWM is a bulletproof circuit comprised of simple low-cost components and it works ... every time. I have built these many times. The main components cost less than $1.00 each. We will need 3 of them for three frequencies ... < $3.00. Then there are some resistors and capacitors.

Some company called MAXIM put a circuit up on the internet to sell their stuff. This is Radio Shack-level stuff and is NOT proprietary and so here it is on my ftp:

http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...hModulator.pdf

Now if you use a quad-op amp, you can have one VF PWM using 3 of the 4 op-amps on the IC for the VF PWM and use the fourth OP-Amp as a buffer and put some gain on it (or not) to drive hard a FET or Transistor. If you use a 10Mhz Quad Op-Amp then you can make nice, short, sharp, steep pulses that are perhaps 0.5% duty cycle at 50KHz (1/200). Can you believe it costs only $0.63 each in single quantities ?... And they are very available.

This is my starting point since my issue with the transformer remains unanswered and thus unresolved ... ah, to toroid or not to toroid ... that is the question ... 'tis better to ... oh, sorry.

Well, there ya go,

Greg

Hi, Greg !
This schematic looks very promising...tank you very much for that...
Could you attach another one with marks that point where to connect
our toroid, or whatever it is going to be ?
There is no max4049 in Croatia, but there is supplement which is also
very chip, it coast quarter of dollar...
I think i am going to make pcb this night...
Sorry, but i do not understand this : 'tis better to ... oh, sorry.
Although i read Shakespeare...

[Farmhand]

No rules on windings

Good morning Greg.

"The induced coils are connected together in any desired manner":
... found chapter XXIII on page p 128 of the pdf.

I didn't get that far yet, but I will say that Nicola did not seem to be afraid of considering the possibilities. Though he does suggest how it shoild be "tuned constructed" to avoid OU. I think. That part is a little unclear to me.

From document

Besides the currents generated in the secondary coils by dynamomagnetic
induction, other currents will be set up in the same
coils in consequence of many variations in the intensity of the
poles in the ring A. This should be avoided by maintaining the
intensity of the poles constant, to accomplish which care should
be taken in designing and proportioning the generator and in
distributing the coils in the ring A, and balancing their effect.
When this is done, the currents are produced by dynamo-magnetic
induction only, the same result being obtained as though
the poles were shifted by a commutator with an infinite number
of segments.

Cheers

[pmazz850]

Does anyone know for sure if watkykjy's set up (video) pulsed all of the primaries at once or are they independently pulsed by the micro in no particular synchronization?

Thanks,

Greg

I believe he is pulsing the primary's with the same frequancy, they are just out of phase. And there is another video out there of him which he says
they are pulsed 123,121,123,121. It doesn't really say which program he is running though, his or Bobs.
The secondary is indeed wound first. I have winded one of these and primary's go over the secondary. I never got around to testing the toroid with anything, side tracked by other things, but I plan to try this. I dont have a hex controller, just the PWM3G board. Will have to see just how sharp of a pulse i can get with it, i think that is key!

[7imix]

I have begun. I am sourcing analog components. The circuit I am using to generate a Variable Frequency PWM is a bulletproof circuit comprised of simple low-cost components and it works ... every time. I have built these many times. The main components cost less than $1.00 each. We will need 3 of them for three frequencies ... < $3.00. Then there are some resistors and capacitors.

Some company called MAXIM put a circuit up on the internet to sell their stuff. This is Radio Shack-level stuff and is NOT proprietary and so here it is on my ftp:

http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...hModulator.pdf

Now if you use a quad-op amp, you can have one VF PWM using 3 of the 4 op-amps on the IC for the VF PWM and use the fourth OP-Amp as a buffer and put some gain on it (or not) to drive hard a FET or Transistor. If you use a 10Mhz Quad Op-Amp then you can make nice, short, sharp, steep pulses that are perhaps 0.5% duty cycle at 50KHz (1/200). Can you believe it costs only $0.63 each in single quantities ?... And they are very available.

This is my starting point since my issue with the transformer remains unanswered and thus unresolved ... ah, to toroid or not to toroid ... that is the question ... 'tis better to ... oh, sorry.

Well, there ya go,

Greg

I'm on a quest to build this exact thing.

The frequency needs to be very accurately tunable.

Is 50khz going to be enough? From my research it is my belief that the frequency needs to be such that the coil is one quarter of the wavelength.

You can type a frequency into wolfram alpha and it will tell you the wavelength. At 50khz, the wavelength is 19671 feet, meaning the coil needs to be 4917.75 feet. Almost a mile. That's a lot of wire!

I made an impulsed with the Arduino which reaches 300khz. The wavelength of 300khz is 3279 feet, giving a coil length of 819.75 feet. This is still pretty long but more doable. However the frequency of this circuit is not easily fine tunable.

Since the coil is a toroid, the flux must go around and around the toroid instead of bouncing off the end as in a regular coil... So perhaps the frequency used to pulse the circuit can be half, a quarter, or an eighth of what would be ideal? In any case, being able to tune the impulser to a very fine degree and having the impulser operate in the range of 20khz-300mhz is, I believe, very important.

[cikljamas]

Is 50khz going to be enough? From my research it is my belief that the frequency needs to be such that the coil is one quarter of the wavelength.

You can type a frequency into wolfram alpha and it will tell you the wavelength. At 50khz, the wavelength is 19671 feet, meaning the coil needs to be 4917.75 feet. Almost a mile. That's a lot of wire!

I know one thing for sure : i am certain 100 % that i am not going to wind
1 mile of wire around toroid !!! And i would like to know who is capable to
do that in home made production ?

[Farmhand]

So is the secondary important to go on first ? I have no idea now.

7imix

Is 50khz going to be enough? From my research it is my belief that the frequency needs to be such that the coil is one quarter of the wavelength.

This difficult to explain my thoughts here.

Could it be tuned to make the wagon wheel appear to spin or not ? Before the wagon wheel appears to spin backwards it stops. It starts normal then stops and spins backwards. Then forwards again and so on, if that makes sense.

Is there a way to computer model this ? I am also at a loss as to how i would wind so much wire around the core without having a very big core to start?

[Farmhand]

I don't know why or if it would work but the thought just occured to me that if the three primaries were series connected with some resistance or load between them a pulsating wave similar thing would might occur. I have a very rough drawing I made of a winding with the primaries wound on the core at 120 centers but only taking up a small piece of ring each and the secondaries wound in between in the bigger spaces. It looks like a strange way to do it, probably not important.

I really wish I could get some core's, if I have a good look i might find something good enough.

There should be a way resonance can shorten the wire needed ? I don't know that either.

Cheers

OK I think I remember now reading in there about winding the secondary first then primaries then steel shielding wire. I think we should think of pulsed and induced windings, This is confusing. Pulsed winding first then induced. ?

[pmazz850]

For charging batteries, I don't think you will need a secondary. I wouldn't wind it over the primary's if you put one on.

So is the secondary important to go on first ? I have no idea now.

7imix



This difficult to explain my thoughts here.

Could it be tuned to make the wagon wheel appear to spin or not ? Before the wagon wheel appears to spin backwards it stops. It starts normal then stops and spins backwards. Then forwards again and so on, if that makes sense.

Is there a way to computer model this ? I am also at a loss as to how i would wind so much wire around the core without having a very big core to start?

[Farmhand]

Edited post above.

Well charging batteries is one thing but we can already do that. It won't work like a generator as well with no secondary. Thats the point.



He does call these things "converters" and then further down he shows a transformer and that is what he calls that a "transformer" the two are different in my opinion.

It's hard to tell I guess, what he means.

Umm if you draw line's from center out though 120 degree points to make three segments, if the top one is vertical it makes a peace symbol kind of.

[Farmhand]

I'm very sorry I was a bit confused here

He does call these things "converters" and then further down he shows a transformer and that is what he calls that a "transformer"

It was a different where document the transformer was called a transformer.
sorry.
So many big documents.

Can anybody link the Story about Nikola and the snowball when he was a boy?
The one that tells what made him interested in magnification of things.
I can't find it.