This is it !

[gmeast]

hook up

Hi, Greg !
This schematic looks very promising...tank you very much for that...
Could you attach another one with marks that point where to connect
our toroid, or whatever it is going to be ?
There is no max4049 in Croatia, but there is supplement which is also
very chip, it coast quarter of dollar...
I think i am going to make pcb this night...
Sorry, but i do not understand this : 'tis better to ... oh, sorry.
Although i read Shakespeare...

Hi cikljamas,

The toroid does NOT hook directly up to this circuit. This circuit drives the gate of a Power MOSFET or the base of a Power Transistor. Or even better, the circuit drives a Gate Driver which in turn drives the power components. The PWM square pulse output of the circuit is from U1C (bottom center). VIN (+ )is your PWM control. This controls the duty cycle and U1C is used as a comparator to make its output swing full voltage (+) or 'zero volts' when compared to V-. As the triangle wave crosses the reference voltage Vin on the non-inverting input to U1C, the output follows but with infinite gain because there is no feedback between U1C's output and its (-) and (+) inputs. As the triangle wave crosses VIN (+) again in the other direction, U1C's output flips again at infinite gain and generates the square waveform vs time.

I am not settled on the transformer because I'm confused. We are NOT making Hydroxy. So then, is a secondary winding necessary ? For the charging effect, don't we just want to direct the field collapse back to the battery via HV Diode(s)? If so, then do we need three (3) windings ? Do we need three (3) different frequencies ? Do they need to be synchronized in some way. If multiple frequencies are used and synchronization is required then a Micro would be convenient, but in Tesla's day he would build a commutator with brushes in the proper arrangement to create the phase and synchronicity and then spin THAT with a motor to generate the PWM to pulse the coil(s). One way or another I think we need a toroidal core made from choice materials but I still don't know why THAT amounts to any more than pulsing a toroidal CHOKE. Last sentence is awkward I know.

So I'm still not really sure what we're building here.

Chime in folks ... pleeeeease,

Greg

[Farmhand]

I have aquired a small amount of cash money and hope to go to town this afternoon or tomorrow. I am making a short list, i need some 4001 or 4011 chips for another project with a very similar pulse requirement but singular.

I don't know if I can use these yet.

Exactly what uc's or whatever do I need Max 4094 x how many ?

I have begun. I am sourcing analog components. The circuit I am using to generate a Variable Frequency PWM is a bulletproof circuit comprised of simple low-cost components and it works ... every time. I have built these many times. The main components cost less than $1.00 each. We will need 3 of them for three frequencies ... < $3.00. Then there are some resistors and capacitors.

Some company called MAXIM put a circuit up on the internet to sell their stuff. This is Radio Shack-level stuff and is NOT proprietary and so here it is on my ftp:

http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...hModulator.pdf

Now if you use a quad-op amp, you can have one VF PWM using 3 of the 4 op-amps on the IC for the VF PWM and use the fourth OP-Amp as a buffer and put some gain on it (or not) to drive hard a FET or Transistor. If you use a 10Mhz Quad Op-Amp then you can make nice, short, sharp, steep pulses that are perhaps 0.5% duty cycle at 50KHz (1/200). Can you believe it costs only $0.63 each in single quantities ?... And they are very available.

[Farmhand]

So I'm still not really sure what we're building here.

You don't see it ? I'll try this way. By pulsing the three primaries at 120 degree spacings in "time," "phases" which are the pulsed windings, the flux intensity is switched back and forth around the ring ( maybe only one way ) which means the flux intensity must move (around the ring), which causes extra induction into the secondary. Wouldn't it? He talks of the magnetic intensity whirling around.

A Flux Flywheel ?

[Farmhand]

I guess for charging batteries you would just, open the secondary, switch in recovery, sync frequency and adjust pulse width and frequency.

I can't see any harm in building several different one's.

Sounds like fun to me, there may also be other uses and effects to study.

From the document.

By the shifting of the poles of the ring A, a powerful dynamic inductive effect on the coils c c' is produced. Besides
the currents generated in the secondary coils by dynamomagnetic
induction, other currents will be set up in the same
coils in consequence of many variations in the intensity of the
poles in the ring A. This should be avoided by maintaining the
intensity of the poles constant,

Don't connect it to your house. Sometimes a snowball can become an avalanche.

[cikljamas]

Hi cikljamas,

The toroid does NOT hook directly up to this circuit. This circuit drives the gate of a Power MOSFET or the base of a Power Transistor. Or even better, the circuit drives a Gate Driver which in turn drives the power components. The PWM square pulse output of the circuit is from U1C (bottom center). VIN (+ )is your PWM control. This controls the duty cycle and U1C is used as a comparator to make its output swing full voltage (+) or 'zero volts' when compared to V-. As the triangle wave crosses the reference voltage Vin on the non-inverting input to U1C, the output follows but with infinite gain because there is no feedback between U1C's output and its (-) and (+) inputs. As the triangle wave crosses VIN (+) again in the other direction, U1C's output flips again at infinite gain and generates the square waveform vs time.

I am not settled on the transformer because I'm confused. We are NOT making Hydroxy. So then, is a secondary winding necessary ? For the charging effect, don't we just want to direct the field collapse back to the battery via HV Diode(s)? If so, then do we need three (3) windings ? Do we need three (3) different frequencies ? Do they need to be synchronized in some way. If multiple frequencies are used and synchronization is required then a Micro would be convenient, but in Tesla's day he would build a commutator with brushes in the proper arrangement to create the phase and synchronicity and then spin THAT with a motor to generate the PWM to pulse the coil(s). One way or another I think we need a toroidal core made from choice materials but I still don't know why THAT amounts to any more than pulsing a toroidal CHOKE. Last sentence is awkward I know.

So I'm still not really sure what we're building here.

Chime in folks ... pleeeeease,

Greg

I am going to scream AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!
Ok, now i feel better!
Well guys, may i now admit that i understand nothing here ?
Yes, what are we building here ?
But Greg, at least we know what we are trying to achieve,isnt that so ?
Let see first something about circuit :
1. PWM output goes to base of transistor or mosfet gate ?
But what about two other pins (collector and emitter) or (source / drain)?
Where this pins are connected ?
2. Triangularwave output goes where ?
3. VIN + is my PWM control , but what is VIN + on my bench ?
I was going to ask you especially about that VIN+, what is that (for
dummies explanation please) ?
Believe or not, but it is all that i would like to know about that circuit,
except one thing that i already had asked :
How we hook toroid if not directly to that circuit ?...Maybe collector/emitter
(source/drain) ?
And now i have to ask you something about transformer ?
If we use as Farmhand suggested singular pulsing circuit could we use
one phase primary as it is in stingo circuits ?
And if we use this triangularwave circuit than it must be three phase
primary ? There is no way(maybe it does not make any sense at all)
to use this triangularwave circuit with one phase primary ? Sorry if
it is stupid question, but i would ask Sharon Stone too if she wanted to
sleep with me, but only under one condition: She have to show me
that she is HIV negative !
Rgds!

[Farmhand]

I'm sorry I do appologise i'm getting ahead of myself, if the self charging battery is first goal ok, no problem. Same circuit is needed basically just one frequency is all I want to do first, three coils pulsed as one, "parallel". Simplest first I hope. Wound however you guys decide it should be done first, I can't say if I can keep up though, it's very new to me, all of it. I think much bigger OU possible with other configurations (not limited to one battery) Self Charging a battery sounds hard, even though it's best proof. Is there a bullet proof way to pulse back the energy or is it bled back somehow?

Anyway we don't want too much confusion, very sorry no hurry.

I guess I must have got a bit excited. I havn't had much sleep last three days.

Cheers all

Edit
I'm not sure about the triangle out put either, seems it would be almost as easy to do three Mosfets from the start and sync them or 120 phase is very interesting to me too. Wonder why they had six in the vid ?

Somebody confused me, or was it me that confused me . Idunno

When I read the doc. it says the flux moves around the ring in one direction. It seemed important if the flux can be moved like that in one direction continuously and none wasted or very little.

[gmeast]

fast moving

I have aquired a small amount of cash money and hope to go to town this afternoon or tomorrow. I am making a short list, i need some 4001 or 4011 chips for another project with a very similar pulse requirement but singular.

I don't know if I can use these yet.

Exactly what uc's or whatever do I need Max 4094 x how many ?

Boy, you're moving faster than I can. I am going to use this:

http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/NJM2060_E-1.pdf

NJM2060D. It's a 14 pin dip, quad op amp. It has a unity gain frequency of 10MHz and power input range of 5 VDC to 18VDC ... that's good because you run it directly on the battery 12VDC ... and good output driving swing on 12 VDC through a buffer amp or gate driver at frequency. One of these chips gives you enough for one VF PWM circuit plus one 1:1 Output Buffer or buffer with gain. It can drive about 700MW direct at 18VDC power supply. It looks pretty rugged. It's a Mouser part# 513-NJM2060D @ $0.63 63 cents each in singles, minimum order = 1 piece. I just ordered 27 because shipping cost more than the parts. I pay $0.53 each (break at 25 pcs). Can't wait to get them !

If you read my confusion then you know I am still wondering about 3 frequencies, 3 coils on the toroid, phased firings, so I'd still buy 4 or 5 NJM2060D's ... you know, a couple to smoke and all.

[gmeast]

what pins ?

I am going to scream AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!
Ok, now i feel better!
Well guys, may i now admit that i understand nothing here ?
Yes, what are we building here ?
But Greg, at least we know what we are trying to achieve,isnt that so ?
Let see first something about circuit :
1. PWM output goes to base of transistor or mosfet gate ?
But what about two other pins (collector and emitter) or (source / drain)?
Where this pins are connected ?

The PDF kind of explains it ... what parts do what I think.
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...hModulator.pdf

It depends on whether you are N-Channel or P-Channel Fets, NPN or PNP Transistors, but one end of coil goes to one battery terminal, other end of coil goes to Fet Source or drain (depending on P or N Chan) or Transistor Collector or Emitter (depending on NPN or PNP), pin left Fet or Transistor goes to other battery terminal. Power components are in series on positive side, negative side depends on whether switching to DC+ or DC-.

2. Triangularwave output goes where ?

Only the circuit uses the triangle internally, pin is to look at triangle wave.

3. VIN + is my PWM control , but what is VIN + on my bench ?
I was going to ask you especially about that VIN+, what is that (for
dummies explanation please) ?

This pin accepts a voltage from a pot, a DAC or equiv. That's your control of the duty cycle.

Believe or not, but it is all that i would like to know about that circuit,
except one thing that i already had asked :
How we hook toroid if not directly to that circuit ?...Maybe collector/emitter
(source/drain) ?
And now i have to ask you something about transformer ?
If we use as Farmhand suggested singular pulsing circuit could we use
one phase primary as it is in stingo circuits ?
And if we use this triangularwave circuit than it must be three phase
primary ?

There is no way(maybe it does not make any sense at all)
to use this triangularwave circuit with one phase primary ? Sorry if
it is stupid question, but i would ask Sharon Stone too if she wanted to
sleep with me, but only under one condition: She have to show me
that she is HIV negative !
Rgds!

There is no three phase here. The three little op amps in the circuit "CREATE" the PWM circuit. The first two amps make a triangle wave that the third one compares to make the square wave of whatever pulse width you want. The three work together as one final PWM circuit. You can use one of these circuits to drive three Mosfets firing three coils on the toroid or a single coil on the toroid or other transformer ... that's it ... no three phase or nothin'.

I'll post pictures of mine when I'm done if you guys can wait and I'll de-bug it and you just copy. The circuit is not the object here. Tuning it to make OU and charge a battery in a single battery system is. So if there are others to help make it too who have made these before, please help ... or other suggestions welcome. This is the simplest and least expensive and most flexible and controllable circuit for these things really.

Greg

[Farmhand]

gmeast wrote

Terminology: I think Tesla's secondary = Boyce primary as well as primary = secondary, etc. I also recognize the quadrature architecture in Tesla ... but the Boyce is the Tesla, effectively.

Look at the description and it says the secondaries can be hooked up any which way depending on function:

"The induced coils are connected together in any desired manner":

Sorry again, I missed that, it is important we work the terminology out. It's a bit confusing.

The widely spaced loosly drawn windings on the drawing are the insulated iron sheilding windings are they ?

cikljamas, You know a good thing when you see it. Have you tried a toroid on your Stingo before, it just occured to me I should wind a three coil toroid for my Bedini tripple tranny.

[Farmhand]

I'll post pictures of mine when I'm done if you guys can wait and I'll de-bug it and you just copy. The circuit is not the object here. Tuning it to make OU and charge a battery. So if there are others to help make it too who have made these before, please help ... or other suggestions welcome. This is the simplest and least expensive and flexible circuit for these things really.

Yes that will be good. Your dead right too I think replicated and replicatable results are important. Now I understand fully the triangle output thing thats what I thought, Square output. Hopefully a few of us can even get the actual same parts, only equivilents are available in some places.

Very good

[sucahyo]

Read D9.pdf from patrick kelly.



I believe that frequency only relevant for electrolysis implementation:

"In order to use the PWM3G as a charger, AND get peak output gain, you might want to change a couple of timing capacitors for channels 2 and 3. You would ideally want all 3 channels operating at or near the same frequency and pulse width, and as high of a frequency, but still below 50 Khz, as you can get them reliably. The exact frequency of operation is not relevant when not working with water, pulse width is."

I believe that each frequency must be in sync, that is, they all have to meet at the same line on each 3 cycle. But because we may be a bit sloopy when winding the wire, I believe phase control is needed to compensate imperfect 120 degree angle of each coil.

Some TPUist mention that the secondary should produce sine wave with frequency different from any of the coil. Maybe at MHz or something. Where activating first coil will produce a third, activating second two third, activating all three complete it. When complete sinewave is obtained, hell broke loose and there maybe giant explosion around 2-3 mile wide or at least a single lighting directly to your device. Be careful.

[gmeast]

parts

Yes that will be good. Your dead right too I think replicated and replicatable results are important. Now I understand fully the triangle output thing thats what I thought, Square output. Hopefully a few of us can even get the actual same parts, only equivilents are available in some places.

Very good

You know, what's been done in other groups is sort of a KIT approach. I mean I don't mind getting the parts together (after I have tuned mine up ... shared the results) and ship them to builders in this thread. I'll do it as long as I don't go broke somehow. I don't mind breaking even though for this project.

If someone can come up with a ready-made PWM with frequency control with parts capable of 10MHz then great ... share it.

The reason for the 10MHz requirement is what has been stated earlier by someone. We're not operating at 10MHz, but the devices must be able to respond as if we were so they deliver the sharp, crisp, vertical "ON" and "OFF" for our waveform.

Greg

[Farmhand]

Sucahyo,

Who are TPUist's?

Some TPUist mention that the secondary should produce sine wave with frequency different from any of the coil.

I believe it would do something different, don't know what but i'm game.

[gmeast]

love to have that problem

Read D9.pdf from patrick kelly.



I believe that frequency only relevant for electrolysis implementation:


I believe that each frequency must be in sync, that is, they all have to meet at the same line on each 3 cycle. But because we may be a bit sloopy when winding the wire, I believe phase control is needed to compensate imperfect 120 degree angle of each coil.

Are you referring to electrolysis in the paragraph above or what we're doing here? I'm still not sure if we don't want to pulse a single coil wound on a toroid.

Some TPUist mention that the secondary should produce sine wave with frequency different from any of the coil. Maybe at MHz or something. Where activating first coil will produce a third, activating second two third, activating all three complete it. When complete sinewave is obtained, hell broke loose and there maybe giant explosion around 2-3 mile wide or at least a single lighting directly to your device. Be careful.

Well, you know what? I would die with a smile on my face knowing that the local or near field can REALLY be tapped.

Greg

[sucahyo]

Sucahyo,

Who are TPUist's?

Sorry, I use that word because I forgot where I read it. maybe from some TPU elite in overunity forum.

Successful TPU-ECD replication !
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?a....0;attach=9524