This is it !

[7imix]

I tested that 7imix combine impulsator-stingo, burned out a few npns,
...

Rgds!

you need more resistance in there somewhere

I haven't played with that circuit in quite a while... I don't remember what kind of coil I was using with it, sorry. I think a rectangle wave generation circuit and a mosfet will be better to pulse the toroid because it will be easier to control.

I cracked open a book on signal generators, and it has some good simple rectangle wave circuits I am going to try building, I'll post a circuit if I find a good one...

[7imix]

Does anyone know for sure if watkykjy's set up (video) pulsed all of the primaries at once or are they independently pulsed by the micro in no particular synchronization?

Thanks,

Greg

Watched the video again and started reading through this thread again to catch any bits I missed before. The program he loads loops from 1 to 6 pulsing each output in turn, and it does it in a tight loop.

In the code at the top, which he refers to as housekeeping code, he sets up the frequency of the chip.

He mentions that the program would be faster if he just pulsed all the outputs he was using, 1, 3, 5, instead of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

So since 2, 4, 6 are not hooked up, the pulses are sent at the frequency of the chip to the outputs: (x being to an output which is not used)

1, x, 3, x, 5, x, 1, x, 3, x, 5, x...

So the frequency of the pulses on each channel 1, 3, 5 will be the clock speed / 6.

However pulses to 1, 3, 5 get inserted at different points along the toroid. He mentions trying to pulse as fast as humanly possible, and he doesn't seem to think it matters much if he runs the program that pulses all the outputs, even the unused ones, or if he runs an optimized program that pulses all the outputs...

Therefore I wonder if the three separate windings each being 90 degrees phase shifted (?) is really the key to this. The interactions between the multiple windings being impulsed slightly out of phase, plus the 90 degree phase shifts, would seem to create a very complex waveform in the toroid (with lots of harmonics?)

That really is a huge toroid. If the toroid is composed of four different parts, each of which has an identical winding, they could be wound easily and then connected together at the end, without the frustration of winding through a toroid... What core material to use? Maybe even an air core coil wound around some 90 degree bend plumbing fittings would work well?

Intuitively I really think This Is It.

[7imix]

Sorry, I use that word because I forgot where I read it. maybe from some TPU elite in overunity forum.

Successful TPU-ECD replication !
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?a....0;attach=9524

Bumping this post, important info.

[7imix]

http://mazeto.net/index.php?action=d...0;attach=12032

Bob boyce tpu.pdf interesting reading.

Bumping this post, important info.

[cikljamas]

Watched the video again and started reading through this thread again to catch any bits I missed before. The program he loads loops from 1 to 6 pulsing each output in turn, and it does it in a tight loop.

In the code at the top, which he refers to as housekeeping code, he sets up the frequency of the chip.

He mentions that the program would be faster if he just pulsed all the outputs he was using, 1, 3, 5, instead of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

So since 2, 4, 6 are not hooked up, the pulses are sent at the frequency of the chip to the outputs: (x being to an output which is not used)

1, x, 3, x, 5, x, 1, x, 3, x, 5, x...

So the frequency of the pulses on each channel 1, 3, 5 will be the clock speed / 6.

However pulses to 1, 3, 5 get inserted at different points along the toroid. He mentions trying to pulse as fast as humanly possible, and he doesn't seem to think it matters much if he runs the program that pulses all the outputs, even the unused ones, or if he runs an optimized program that pulses all the outputs...

Therefore I wonder if the three separate windings each being 90 degrees phase shifted (?) is really the key to this. The interactions between the multiple windings being impulsed slightly out of phase, plus the 90 degree phase shifts, would seem to create a very complex waveform in the toroid (with lots of harmonics?)

That really is a huge toroid. If the toroid is composed of four different parts, each of which has an identical winding, they could be wound easily and then connected together at the end, without the frustration of winding through a toroid... What core material to use? Maybe even an air core coil wound around some 90 degree bend plumbing fittings would work well?

Intuitively I really think This Is It.

Well, it seems you are very close to put together all this infos in one
single picture in your mind, awesome !
NOw, for us who better understand things visually (graphs), could you
spend some time to make some kind of a few drawings that can lead
us in our practical experiments so that we can share results of our practical
experiences as soon as it is possible ? I mean, i am pushing a little bit
(i do it from the beginning, like a "rabbit" in athletic middle distance running
disciplines), but i am also anxious to start with something that we can
see as a whole project, and then resolve problematic details working on it
in the same time step by step.

Cheers !

[7imix]

Well, it seems you are very close to put together all this infos in one
single picture in your mind, awesome !
NOw, for us who better understand things visually (graphs), could you
spend some time to make some kind of a few drawings that can lead
us in our practical experiments so that we can share results of our practical
experiences as soon as it is possible ? I mean, i am pushing a little bit
(i do it from the beginning, like a "rabbit" in athletic middle distance running
disciplines), but i am also anxious to start with something that we can
see as a whole project, and then resolve problematic details working on it
in the same time step by step.

Cheers !

Yes I will draw a graphic but may not get to it right away. In the meantime visualize a circle divided into three equal parts, like the Mercedes Benz symbol. A coil is wound around each of these segments. The first photo in the ou "successful replication" thread helps tremendously. There is a plastic form wrapped with turns of heavy bare copper for the core, and then three spools of wire positioned in each of the 120 degree segments.

When I talked about 90 degrees I was visualizing the tesla toroid in the book that was posted earlier. It's clear from reading the material in the links in the posts I bumped that this build actually uses 120 degrees (360 / 3) instead of 90 degrees (360 / 4)

The pulses then must be timed to fire the coil in the appropriate segment exactly as the pulse from the previous segment reaches the next coil. A standing or stationary wave is then set up in the toroid, which if tapped at the right points will provide more usable potential than is being consumed to drive the circuit, just like the magnifying transmitter but in a toroidal form.

if this is really the theory of operation of this device, then three windings and the logic to route the pulses around the ring at the right timing will not be necessary. One winding will be fine, and the pulses should be fired into this winding at the resonant frequency.

I may attempt a very small toroid replication to test the theory, with low voltages. The only thing is the shorter the wire the higher the frequency of impulses required, so I think I will try to wind as much wire around a toroid as possible so the frequency is lower and the impulse circuit easier to build.

If you want to experiment, just wind a toroid with as much wire as possible, build an impulse generator circuit which is adjustable to as wide a range of frequencies as possible. Hook the pulse circuit up to the gate of a mosfet and the drain and source up to the coil. Then adjust the frequency of the signal generator while measuring voltage on the toroid. If you see a peak where the voltage goes up as the frequency increases but then starts to go back down as the frequency continues to increase, that's the resonant frequency of the coil. It may be necessary to use a center tap or another tap somewhere else along the coil to get the highest potential.

Let's build this!

[gmeast]

good catch !

Watched the video again and started reading through this thread again to catch any bits I missed before. The program he loads loops from 1 to 6 pulsing each output in turn, and it does it in a tight loop.

In the code at the top, which he refers to as housekeeping code, he sets up the frequency of the chip.

He mentions that the program would be faster if he just pulsed all the outputs he was using, 1, 3, 5, instead of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

So since 2, 4, 6 are not hooked up, the pulses are sent at the frequency of the chip to the outputs: (x being to an output which is not used)

1, x, 3, x, 5, x, 1, x, 3, x, 5, x...

So the frequency of the pulses on each channel 1, 3, 5 will be the clock speed / 6.

However pulses to 1, 3, 5 get inserted at different points along the toroid. He mentions trying to pulse as fast as humanly possible, and he doesn't seem to think it matters much if he runs the program that pulses all the outputs, even the unused ones, or if he runs an optimized program that pulses all the outputs...

Therefore I wonder if the three separate windings each being 90 degrees phase shifted (?) is really the key to this. The interactions between the multiple windings being impulsed slightly out of phase, plus the 90 degree phase shifts, would seem to create a very complex waveform in the toroid (with lots of harmonics?)

That really is a huge toroid. If the toroid is composed of four different parts, each of which has an identical winding, they could be wound easily and then connected together at the end, without the frustration of winding through a toroid... What core material to use? Maybe even an air core coil wound around some 90 degree bend plumbing fittings would work well?

Intuitively I really think This Is It.

Hi 7imix,

Good work .. thanks. Your observational skills are superb. I watched the video a bunch of times and didn't pick up that specific. But it is now obvious that he is pulsing the coils 'around in a circle'. And as you mentioned, in the time domain the current lags the voltage (in an ideal system for sinusoidal) AND the coils take up 120deg, any number of interesting harmonics would result by that 90-120 resonance and the harmonic would also be frequency dependent. Also, these are pulses and not sinusoidal so I think the resulting harmonic would be far from 'classic' ... unexpected.

Any effort along this line would could benefit from the use of a micro. However, this could be done with analog ... interfacing some logic to count edges and then 'shifting' the gate or base driver signal from one transistor to the next.

I'm not sure about an air core ... the reason being: Might there be some phenomenon going on if the 'next' coil is fired 'before' the previous coil's collapse has ended. I can't imagine what that would be though since the potentials would be inverse ... but it would require a core for that to happen. Maybe it has something to do with building on the ringing: hummm .... ringing?

Regardless, a PWM circuit is required for it. I know I'm NOT going to get involved in using a micro. I know it lends a lot of flexibility but still ...

Greg

[gmeast]

swirl

so it looks like we might have to swirl.

[7imix]

. It may be necessary to use a center tap or another tap somewhere else along the coil to get the highest potential.

I forgot about the output diodes. That's the way to get the potential out of the system. The voltage must come from the backspikes. When the standing or stationary wave (tesla made a distinction between these two terms, it's not clear to me what it is) is in the coil, perhaps the backspikes are bigger.

We can route the backspike to the battery as is done in the video, or we can run it to high voltage caps and then simply put an inverter and transformer after it to draw out usable voltage.

The driver circuit needs to be decoupled electrically from the load. They are decoupled by the diode, cap, inverter and transformer.

[gmeast]

freq

Watched the video again and started reading through this thread again to catch any bits I missed before. The program he loads loops from 1 to 6 pulsing each output in turn, and it does it in a tight loop.

In the code at the top, which he refers to as housekeeping code, he sets up the frequency of the chip.

He mentions that the program would be faster if he just pulsed all the outputs he was using, 1, 3, 5, instead of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

So since 2, 4, 6 are not hooked up, the pulses are sent at the frequency of the chip to the outputs: (x being to an output which is not used)

1, x, 3, x, 5, x, 1, x, 3, x, 5, x...

So the frequency of the pulses on each channel 1, 3, 5 will be the clock speed / 6.

However pulses to 1, 3, 5 get inserted at different points along the toroid. He mentions trying to pulse as fast as humanly possible, and he doesn't seem to think it matters much if he runs the program that pulses all the outputs, even the unused ones, or if he runs an optimized program that pulses all the outputs...

Therefore I wonder if the three separate windings each being 90 degrees phase shifted (?) is really the key to this. The interactions between the multiple windings being impulsed slightly out of phase, plus the 90 degree phase shifts, would seem to create a very complex waveform in the toroid (with lots of harmonics?)

That really is a huge toroid. If the toroid is composed of four different parts, each of which has an identical winding, they could be wound easily and then connected together at the end, without the frustration of winding through a toroid... What core material to use? Maybe even an air core coil wound around some 90 degree bend plumbing fittings would work well?

Intuitively I really think This Is It.

Ok,

So if I'm reading his scope properly then he shows 50us per division and one pulse per division. That's 20kHz. But he's doing every other one, so that's really 10kHz. That's not ridiculous. We don't need a 500kHz core material like the T650-66 material. I'm sure we can find an alternative. Do we need a core? I think we do and a good one but not like the 650.

Greg

[pmazz850]

If you read his scope channel 1 is showing 42.8khz. He shows you what its pulsing at. Although he says there all pulsing at the same frequency the scope shows channel 1-42.8khz, channel 2-21.4khz
If someone can figure out how to modify the pwm3g board to pulse 120 degrees out of phase, I will try it. As its set up they pulse simultaniously. Also if that is possible, the boards are very cheap here:
Results for PWM:PWM3G
I'm not good with electronics so I don't know how to modify the circuit for phase. I could get all 3 channels to pulse the same frequency. Also I don't know exactly where to tap into the circuit for the recovery to the battery. Any help would be great.


Edit: With a toroid this size, its not hard to wind. Plenty of room to use a shuttle for the wire.

[cikljamas]

What kind of chip this guy use for his HVDC HHO generator ?
Unbelievably simple circuit...
Could we use something like that for our purpose ?
YouTube - Completed the JK flip flop driver for HVDC HHO Gen
Interesting correspondence below this video too !

[pmazz850]

Something interesting i just caught on this page:
Child Rides EV Toy on Boyce Free Energy!

Quote: I have been sharing some information regarding the pulsing, etc with him, and he seems to be getting better and better results, so he will fairly soon be upgrading his controller to also run at 20mhz

"20mhz" I've not seen this mentioned in his set up before.

[cikljamas]

stingo overunity

I just saw something interesting on the little carpet in my room :
YouTube - stingo overunity

[sucahyo]

As far as capturing the energy from a spark gap, I'm guessing the only purpose of the spark gap is to get sharp rise time, short pulse duration, and sharp fall time.

I don't agree. I think Tesla use something else for switching because Tesla mentioned some serious drawback of spark gap, heat and unreliability.