This is it !

[Farmhand]

crackahcrackah your spot as far as I can tell, have you noticed how water can flow around a pipe and along it when a jet or spay of water is directed at it, the higher the pressure of the water source the further it will go before dripping off, try it wth a horozontal piece of pipe and a hose.

The power of a concentrated directed steam of swirling water is awesome for example ( steel cut by water cutter ) Water jet cutter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lots of insight to be gleaned from water, the swirly vortexy thingy when you pull the plug from the sink is very interesting.

Something else I found today slightly related to our studies kinda , Scientists claim breakthrough in Big Bang

That is hilarious, thats like saying, today I picked a "Anti Pumpkin" it dissapeared really quick, but I got a fuzzy photo of it.

Well it would be funny if it didn't cost a couple of sqillion dollars.

Cheers all

[crackahcrackah]

Voltage level maybe higher, but not the current level.

Are you interested in replicating what Tesla did or are you researching electrical phenomena independently?

I once compare imhotep self oscillating relay run full speed at about 8 Hz, with stingo. For 5 hour I don't notice charge going into the battery. I can increase the power by adding low impedance coil, but as current flow increase, the contact spark become a problem.
YouTube - Unwanted spike in a relay

Yeh the imohotep circuit was good for basic learning and I believe an efficiency improvement, but it definitely isn't Tesla's HF HV lighting circuit. I'll look up the stingo again at some point. I forgot what the circuit design was, but I will watch the video link when I finish with responses on here.

Inquorate found that magnetic quenching may be good to force the spark to flow to one direction but may require very very big neo. And Ben already use big enough neo. A problem with neo is neo also a conductor, too close can disturb the spark flow.

If I decide to try the magnetic quenching at some point I'll approach it based on Tesla's patents. He has an electromagnetic quenching device which eliminates the conducting issue with the neo's.

Tesla use mercury at later oscillator. There is patent for it.

BTW, becarefull with spark that flow on one direction. Don't do your experiment near any electronic. Do it more than 5 meter away. as comparison, spark at primary (low voltage) can disturb keyboard at 3 meter away.

Yes he made several mercury based circuit breakers. I'm not convinced that it's the healthiest route to go simply because of a possibility of creating mercury vapors. It could be entirely safe, or as safe as an old mercury based thermometer (just don't break it), but it's hard to say with out testing.

Have you observed effects in equipment? I actually move my oscilloscope to the other end of the house the few times I tried novel setups with home made spark gaps. I don't anticipate safely using scopes with the non-solid state circuits. I've actually observed induced voltage in additional coils which aren't hooked into the circuit, but they are wrapped around the 6.5inch toroid. I can even set a separate 1" iron powder core toroid, with a couple of loops of wire around it next to the toroid and pick up the inductive spikes (they are smaller than the spikes for the wires wound right on the 6.5" toroid of course).

It's neat stuff and I wish I could play with it. It's been months since I could touch it

[7imix]

Hi all,

Today I rested from a job building an energy recovery system for a laundromat and built the little PWM.

It worked right off, but I am not impressed with the performance ... sorry.

Thanks. This is similar to my experience with op amps. I am very grateful you got me interested in learning about them, so your proposal was not in vain.

I have been experimenting with some other oscillator circuits from my signal generator book. I will post any which have promising results.

It is interesting that the original video only pulses at about 40khz -- it doesn't look like the wire in the toroid could be that long.

One thing I am wondering about -- I remember reading somewhere, I forget where, that impulses of extremely sharp slope have an effective frequency of a sin wave of that same slope. If this is true, as long as the pulses are in phase with the high frequency wave that is being induced in the coil, it would not be necessary to have impulses at the resonant frequency of the coil, just some common denominator of the resonant frequency.

However since tuning the frequency to get a coil to resonate requires such precision, it makes me wonder if the device being shown in the video really operates using this principle... The actual frequency doesn't appear to be super important, unless he just neglects to show the tuning process and the program is already set up to fire at the right frequency.

[crackahcrackah]

However since tuning the frequency to get a coil to resonate requires such precision, it makes me wonder if the device being shown in the video really operates using this principle... The actual frequency doesn't appear to be super important, unless he just neglects to show the tuning process and the program is already set up to fire at the right frequency.

The circuit in that video is not designed for resonance. It can perform a standing waves, harmonics, but when charging the battery they only use a single frequency.

The faster your dV/dT the larger your inductive spike. So as the frequency goes up, so to does the inductive spike. I'd love to see the results of a circuit in resonance using this approach. It's much more tedious to set things up for resonance however.

[crackahcrackah]

crackahcrackah your spot as far as I can tell, have you noticed how water can flow around a pipe and along it when a jet or spay of water is directed at it, the higher the pressure of the water source the further it will go before dripping off, try it wth a horozontal piece of pipe and a hose.

I hadn't thought about this but I know exactly what your talking about with the water adhering to and then dropping off of surfaces. That's interesting that you can observe a distinct correlation between pressure and distance before it drips. I'd imagine it has something to do with electrostatics.

Lots of insight to be gleaned from water, the swirly vortexy thingy when you pull the plug from the sink is very interesting.

Yeh the water vortex is what made me realize that tornado's are probably aether vortex's. When I started finding video's on youtube of tornado's in places like Manitoba, Canada I knew the explanation for tornado's in the USA tornado belt had to be nonsense. The way the media portrays things, you would think that tornado's only occur in that tornado belt, and not in places like the arctic tundra.

Something else I found today slightly related to our studies kinda , Scientists claim breakthrough in Big Bang

That is hilarious, thats like saying, today I picked a "Anti Pumpkin" it dissapeared really quick, but I got a fuzzy photo of it.

Well it would be funny if it didn't cost a couple of sqillion dollars.

Cheers all

I love how they treat the big bang as if it's something other than theory in that article. That's the problem with the propagandists who have been inserted in to every little niche of society today. They need to have claims like the one they're making to justify to us peasants all the money stolen from us to fund nonsense and blackops.

And it sounds as if,by the article, that they are assuming there was antimatter created by this big bang which itself is still just a theory. Wouldn't it be neat to see a main stream article on neutrino's and how they are the modern perception of aether? But if they did that then they'd have to acknowledge that Tesla was the first to discover them...hrmm not good for the energy monopoly.

Good to see people questioning the MSM.

BTW: All this stuff about the big bang and anti-matter is based on kabbalah. It's what einstein practiced and other like Michelson and Bohr, hence, the deviation from what is empirically demonstrable, and the adhering of "theory" and "ideology". Here's a stellar read that can be found online: "william lyne-occult aether physics.pdf"

[7imix]

The circuit in that video is not designed for resonance. It can perform a standing waves, harmonics, but when charging the battery they only use a single frequency.

The faster your dV/dT the larger your inductive spike. So as the frequency goes up, so to does the inductive spike. I'd love to see the results of a circuit in resonance using this approach. It's much more tedious to set things up for resonance however.

I bet it would explode Which is a sign of success!

[Farmhand]

Please correct me if i'm wrong but it looks to me that both the LUTEC machine and the ORBO device may be based on this principal, I am not qualified to say, and I don't really know exactly how the two devices work, it just seems that way, the lutec device from what i can tell uses the 1+1=3 formula, (eg. take one event add it to a second event and get a third event that is greater than the first two combined).

Of course I could be wrong but I think these things could be all related somehow, well one thing is for sure they are all controversial.

crackahcrackah, In the Tesla document it says the coils B,B and B',B' are connected in series, and C,C and C',C' can be connected however is needed.
Hope I got that right finally.

So my question is if I make one one day just like in the Tesla document, for a generator transformer/converter setup, is it good enough to just weigh the wire before winding it and wind it very carefully in exactly the right segment, calculating how much length of wire I would need for the frequency I want to use it at? To be in the ball park for resonant tuning i mean ? I imagine I would need to take into account the generator/motor configuration as well. For a pipe dream project at a later date that is.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Wow, I just went looking at video's of natural vorticies for some clues or insights and I found two interesting video's straight off the bat.

This one at about the 30 second mark has two strikes which appear to have big inverted cone's around them, apex down. There is a couple of really good tripple strikes too.
YouTube - Crazy Lightning
Awesome

And this fire one is interesting as well.
YouTube - Fire vortex

There seems to be a lot of natural vortices, they appear to me to be energy in and out of the Aether. Fire, Wind, Water, wow what else is there ?

Rgds

[sigzidfit]

You think that something is happening in the gap that is not replicable with solid state components?

I think it may be possible that the current state of the art of semiconductors cannot equal the effects produced by "mechanical" switching or spark gaps.

With my experiments I have been unable the replicate some phenomena without a mechanical switch or solid state plus a spark gap. I.e. backwards running meters and strong wireless transmission of power.

Spark-gap transmitter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The problem with mechanical contact is spark at the contact point. So we have two spark, spark at the spark gap and spark at the contact point.

The spark at the contact point is a huge waste, reduce efficiency, reduce reliability, create heat, etc. We can only reach Tesla level of switching if we can somehow create a sparkless mechanical switching.

This reminded me of a patent thats been on my clipboard for the last month or so.

4438472 - Google Patent Search

Anyway, interesting thread ya'll have here.

[7imix]

I think it may be possible that the current state of the art of semiconductors cannot equal the effects produced by "mechanical" switching or spark gaps.

With my experiments I have been unable the replicate some phenomena without a mechanical switch or solid state plus a spark gap. I.e. backwards running meters and strong wireless transmission of power.

You are saying you have observed a backwards running meter? Care to share your experimental setup?

[sigzidfit]

7imix,

Yes I've observed a backwards running meter. I started a thread here quite awhile back and described the setup there. I called it the "interupter". I know misspelled but that's what the thread title was.

Basically it's just a battery, a transformer, a dc motor, and a switch.

That being said, I am not powering the load and ending up with a fully charged source battery. Perhaps a better description of the phenomenon would be "disrupts electronics". Because as of yet I've been unable to measure this device to my or anyone else's satisfaction with an electronic multimeter.

Even my very limited understanding suggests that if the numbers on the meters are to be believed the thing would burst into flames. I can't imagine how the amount of volts and amps measured could be carried in the size of wires without noticeable heat.

Peace
PJ

[7imix]

7imix,

Yes I've observed a backwards running meter. I started a thread here quite awhile back and described the setup there. I called it the "interupter". I know misspelled but that's what the thread title was.

Basically it's just a battery, a transformer, a dc motor, and a switch.

Interupter

YouTube - teslaswitch's QuickCapture Video - May 08, 2009, 11:26 PM

Very cool device man. This is so simple, other people should be replicating it to experiment with. If the DC motor is spinning a disc with multiple contacts around it and the brush is making and breaking the connection rapidly, it looks like it is a replication of Tesla's patent #568,176:

NIKOLA TESLA - Google Patent Search

Is this the circuit?

That being said, I am not powering the load and ending up with a fully charged source battery. Perhaps a better description of the phenomenon would be "disrupts electronics". Because as of yet I've been unable to measure this device to my or anyone else's satisfaction with an electronic multimeter.

Even my very limited understanding suggests that if the numbers on the meters are to be believed the thing would burst into flames. I can't imagine how the amount of volts and amps measured could be carried in the size of wires without noticeable heat.

Peace
PJ

I don't think it would burst into flames. It's impulse currents, not direct current, so we are witnessing tesla's cold electricity.

If you want to measure the circuit you should get a cheap oscilloscope like the DSO nano and a high frequency probe, or just build a voltage divider out of some pretty hefty resistors.

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I saw similar effects with high voltage being measurable in the air when I measured my stingo driving a car ignition coil:

YouTube - Stingo Voltage Measurements

That's a 1000x high voltage probe so multiply by 1000.

Be careful with low frequency impulse currents though, Tesla found that he had to go over 10khz before the impulses would cease to be dangerous. That's why the circuit interferes with electronics so much, it's sending high voltage shockwaves (longitudinal waves or electrical sound waves) through everything causing electrons to spontaneously wobble (generate current) in random metal atoms in circuits. Tesla's wireless electricity. Get the frequency of the impulse current up much much higher and you'll have a device that's a lot less painful. Add a lot more contacts to the rotating disc. The iron core in the transformer may be a problem because the iron core can't re-magnetize that fast. You could try just removing the iron core.

Good job dude! I'm going to be away from my lab for two weeks but will try a replication when I get back.

[sucahyo]

Are you interested in replicating what Tesla did or are you researching electrical phenomena independently?

Cheaply replicating Tesla . But from uncommon direction.

If I decide to try the magnetic quenching at some point I'll approach it based on Tesla's patents. He has an electromagnetic quenching device which eliminates the conducting issue with the neo's.

Interesting. Would it be as strong as neo?

Yes he made several mercury based circuit breakers. I'm not convinced that it's the healthiest route to go simply because of a possibility of creating mercury vapors. It could be entirely safe, or as safe as an old mercury based thermometer (just don't break it), but it's hard to say with out testing.

That maybe true.

Have you observed effects in equipment? I actually move my oscilloscope to the other end of the house the few times I tried novel setups with home made spark gaps.

With intense spark, a couple of line in monitor a meter from it. With intense DC spark, it halt a pentium 4 at 3 meter from it.

With my experiments I have been unable the replicate some phenomena without a mechanical switch or solid state plus a spark gap. I.e. backwards running meters and strong wireless transmission of power.

I think both can reach OU in a different way. With solid state, it seems temporary storage help a lot (SSG). I never heard COP>1 SSG with mechanical switch.

This reminded me of a patent thats been on my clipboard for the last month or so.

4438472 - Google Patent Search

Very interesting, thanks .

Interupter

Agree. Interesting .

I don't think it would burst into flames. It's impulse currents, not direct current, so we are witnessing tesla's cold electricity.

I remember reading Tesla use it to melt tungsten. Light bulb lit very bright, create mozaic patern and then turn to ash.

I saw similar effects with high voltage being measurable in the air when I measured my stingo driving a car ignition coil:

YouTube - Stingo Voltage Measurements

I wonder if we can capture that.

Be careful with low frequency impulse currents though, Tesla found that he had to go over 10khz before the impulses would cease to be dangerous.

I think it is signal sharpness that change that.

50Khz with dull signal may still give us headache (555 based). While even 10Hz with sharp signal do not (relay).

[7imix]

I remember reading Tesla use it to melt tungsten. Light bulb lit very bright, create mozaic patern and then turn to ash.

I think it is signal sharpness that change that.

50Khz with dull signal may still give us headache (555 based). While even 10Hz with sharp signal do not (relay).

Yes, I read that tesla produced heating effects at certain frequencies and cooling effects at other frequencies... I think depending on how the frequencies mix in the coil it can produce voltage peaks at certain points (which would be cold) or amperage peaks (which would be hot)

18 amps would produce a lot of heat, since that's not happening there must be some other explanation. The multimeter may be calculating wrong because of the sampling rate and the assumptions it makes about the rate of change of current. In an impulse circuit the current would be very high briefly and then be zero for most of the duty cycle. If the meter is doing some bad math to calculate the amperage that would explain it.

Yes, I think you are right about the sharpness of the impulse and the quality of the effects.

[7imix]

I wonder if we can capture that.

Maybe this patent:

NIKOLA TESLA - Google Patent Search

In figure 2 the receiver is depicted. He starts discussing it on page 3. Basically plates P and P' are situated apart from each other:

if both plates be connected to earth the points of connection must be selected with reference to the difference of potential which it is desired to secure, the strongest effect being of course obtained when the plates are at a distance equal to half the wave length.

Here Tesla's talking about the stationary waves we were just discussing. At certain physical locations the potential will be high and at others it will be low.

Then the cylinder rotates and opens and closes the circuit to the condenser at the frequency of the transmitter.

Wireless electricity is another huge topic though, in this thread we should focus on generating and tapping resonance and harmonics effects in a coil.