This is it !

[gmeast]

Well you just made life easier on me. I've been saying I'd post things from a closed forum when I get the chance to dig it up, but you just found a site that's mirroring the forum which closed down, waterfuelforall.

Here's links to some of my posts that are mirrored there, related to this topic.

Boyce PWM3g

I've got some comments on my own work starting here where I got the Boyce PWM3G for my circuit interrupter : Bob Boyce replication fully disclosed.


The two pictures I'm including are ones I just located on another forum I'm on, but has been dead for a while.

The diagram shows how I modified the PWM3g so that it functioned as the circuit breaker in Tesla's 568,176 patent. The arrows indicate voltage direction from high to low. If you have a fast enough FET, you should get minimal current occurring while tension is placed across the inductor and the circuit breaker. You can view the red arrows as transverse+longitudinal waves (hot), and the blue arrows represent filtered longitudinal waves (cold energy).

When that FET slams shut there is an inductive spike which occurs, and some are using diodes to feed it back to batteries, but I am approaching the spike the way Tesla did, and I put symmetrical capacitors at the Source and Drain, and in between them, I place a separate smaller transformer which is what I couple a load to. Every element of this design could be improved for efficiency, but I was just concerned about replicating the voltage/longitudinal wave isolation, as I see that as a first step, in getting to the end point, which is understanding, and being able to make an easily replicable form of this patent.

Yes, yes, if I'm not flagged by the power that be yet, I'm sure it will happen...:P

Hi crackahcrackah,

This is significant I think. The mod shown in the pictures is significant in that it avoids the pitfalls of a diode. In the little test I posted here with the cap/inductor, I'm saying to myself "... that diode is preventing me from harvesting anything less than .514 V [I'm losing {(.514^2)/2 x C} joules]. I could have used a mechanical switch rotating fast with many contact to try and capture things but that would require precise timing and power to run the contactor. "No losses are permissible. Avoid losses by good design. Direct, real-time use of the energy is ideal".

this may be answered by looking at the patent but ...
So referring to the pics: the toroid is out of frame (to the left), correct?
Is (shown) one of three circuits and if so is the firing 'rotated'?

[Farmhand]

crackahcrackah, If I use one strand of my conical coil for recovery through symetrical caps, say two 1uf non polarised caps then to a transformer primary, I should be able to use the ouput of the transformer secondary ?

Because if I connect a neon even to one free end of the unconnected conical strand it lights fairly bright, if I try to measure it it just blanks out the DMM, i've got a quadfiler coil with a steel rod core, i'll try some different series connections primary/secondary's series connected and see what happens, I can get a plasma stream without the arcing and it lights the neons laying around. I think I can learn something about recovery or something with this, there are many different things happening in different configurations.

If I series connect the two conical strands and allow arcing to both the end of the series connected strand and the end of the strand that is connected to the bottom of the other strand things get wierd. It's very interesting.

Rgds

[crackahcrackah]

Yes I see so the longitudinal energy goes through the caps somehow ? Or appears on the other side at least. I don't doubt it one bit there doesn't appear to much at all that will stop it. Ok next thing for me to try is a double conical coil, base to base forms. What I have noticed is that when the energy in the coil gets contracted to the apex of the cone it doesn't like to expand back out into increasing spirals, it prefers to breakdown around the apex, it's quite spectacular but it's difficult to film. Anyway just some experiments to try to understand better whats happens. Good fun though all the same.

Rgds

The longitudinal waves are always present. In typical circuits the L. waves are not accessible because they are encompassed by the transverse waves. If you can watch Tom Bearden's video on energy, I can't remember the blasted name of it, but he draws and describes this in length, and it's something that I believe I've also read from victorian age (the golden age of science) researchers. The capacitors filter the spiraling transverse waves out of the filtered part of the circuit, but the l. waves (compression) pass through and are then accessible for novel forms of energetic use.



Those conical coils are the biggest mystery to me in terms of having seen them. They appear to mimic vortices and they also are supposed to be safer to use than flat pancakes from what Tesla said, as the shape puts distance between the low potential outter winding and the high potential inner winding, which could arc because of the intense potential.


Be safe!

[crackahcrackah]

Hi crackahcrackah,

This is significant I think. The mod shown in the pictures is significant in that it avoids the pitfalls of a diode. In the little test I posted here with the cap/inductor, I'm saying to myself "... that diode is preventing me from harvesting anything less than .514 V [I'm losing {(.514^2)/2 x C} joules]. I could have used a mechanical switch rotating fast with many contact to try and capture things but that would require precise timing and power to run the contactor. "No losses are permissible. Avoid losses by good design. Direct, real-time use of the energy is ideal".

this may be answered by looking at the patent but ...
So referring to the pics: the toroid is out of frame (to the left), correct?
Is (shown) one of three circuits and if so is the firing 'rotated'?

Yeh you're observing exactly what I observed. The section of that circuit that I modified had diodes on it which returned to the battery. I made data records and observations of all the waveforms for various settings with the diode in place, and once I got up the courage of risking damaging that solid state circuit by, removing the diodes, and configuring it to match Tesla's setup (I am self taught so some times I would take days or even a week before trying something that could cost me $$, and I would think every thing through and compare what Tesla was doing. This has saved me money and hasn't failed me yet..) I got to see a huge increase in the size of the spikes. Guys, you're not going to believe what it feels like to replicate this even on a small scale. Very few people have EVER done this and you're all looking into it right now. Solid state is fine for now to get a feel for things but please hear me out when I say that the spark gap approach is more than likely the ultimate direction we'll need to go. That's the direction that will let us provide ourselves with dirt cheap lighting and so forth. Every one helping to dig into this phenomenon and series of tesla HF HV patents is a leader and may help to undermine the energy monopoly.

I'm going to specifically state that I think some of the increase in spike is due to the condensing nature of capacitors, and that the capacitors are actually permitting more of an increase in spike by allowing the flow and conversion of aether into pure voltage.

Tesla worked to avoid losses and increase efficiency and that's what happens when you use this setup over a diode straight back to the battery. I've been meaning to point this out to others, but with out the aid of a diagram people would confuse the second transformer for the first.

The video's Watkykji posts show the two separate inductors. The big one is the one we ping, the smaller one (1") is the one we use to transform the energy captured/transformed by the capacitors around the circuit break.

Man I'm happy to see the interest in this circuit. This is from a guy we all know we can trust. When in doubt, fall back to Tesla! And please folks, don't think that most of the good stuff he came up with was snatched by the FBI. It's actually just sitting in his patents and lectures waiting to be rediscovered. Take it from this lame who has had more than enough time to study both over the past 4 years.

Onward!

[crackahcrackah]

crackahcrackah, If I use one strand of my conical coil for recovery through symetrical caps, say two 1uf non polarised caps then to a transformer primary, I should be able to use the ouput of the transformer secondary ?

Yes. Now you've got to understand though that every aspect of your circuit can influence the efficiency of the output. If you have resonance with the coil, then it is optimized. If you set up the secondary in resonance then it is also optimized. Those are steps to worry about later, after proof of principle. You may want to draw a diagram of what you're doing so that me, and any one else advising you make no mistakes in interpretation. It's really worth the time if you get the chance.

Because if I connect a neon even to one free end of the unconnected conical strand it lights fairly bright, if I try to measure it it just blanks out the DMM, i've got a quadfiler coil with a steel rod core, i'll try some different series connections primary/secondary's series connected and see what happens, I can get a plasma stream without the arcing and it lights the neons laying around. I think I can learn something about recovery or something with this, there are many different things happening in different configurations.

Look at the pictures I posted. The second transformer, on the secondary, is where I put a FWBR. This is a must or the energy is chaotic and tends to cancel out. I also attach a homemade pF high voltage capacitor, then I put put LEDs or a neon across it. Varying the voltage level and the Farad rating will dictate the speed at which the cap fills up and can provide energy. LEDs will light up incredibly well, but there's an interesting effect, you must reverse how they are attached. If you attach them the way you normally would they will not light up. Ultimately, with a spark gap based circuit, this section is where you would put your light bulbs that are to be powered by the HF HV energy provided to them.

On the youtube video series put up but our own Karl Palsness, some one in the audience also notes this effect with LEDs. I don't remember which video out of the 9 that it was on but it's there. Too bad that guy isn't here on the forum sharing what he's learned so far...(Any chance you can get him here Karl...?)

If I series connect the two conical strands and allow arcing to both the end of the series connected strand and the end of the strand that is connected to the bottom of the other strand things get wierd. It's very interesting.

Rgds

If you get the chance to post video or pictures I'd love to see the setup and effects. That's up to you as time permits.

[pmazz850]

@crackhacrackha

I have a pwm3g and the toroid, I would like to try this setup like you say. Did you modify the board at all? What do you mean sink from toroid?
I'm not quite clear on how to hook it up. I'm no electronics wiz, but i do ok.
Just a little confused. Are you using a 1:1 transformer? Sorry for all the questions, just want to understand fully.

[gmeast]

big toroid

Hi crackahcrackah,

Again, please: Are we going to pulse 3, 120 degree coils in succession, or all at once ... is there a firing order? I'm sure I am not the only one unclear about this. Some people just don't speak up, but I don't care if I look stupid.

Are you just showing one-of-three circuits in the two pictures you posted? If so, how does the cap pair hook up to all three?

Greg

[Farmhand]

Gmeast, I would go for all at once first at least depending on how you do it they might not be quite sychronised anyway, i'm not sure though.

I have tried the symetrical caps and it works OK I got over 500 volts in them with a wireless collector coil on my sparg gap setup. Wow I never would have guessed it Sucahyo was doing it a long time ago I remember he had a discussion with Seamonkey about it.

Thanks crackahcrackah .

pmazz850 Hang in there here with us, we are taking it steady, but we'll get there. I don't have anything really done yrt.

Rgds

Edit ! Here's another video .

YouTube - Volcano Coil Lighting and effects.wmv

Enjoy .

[crackahcrackah]

Hi crackahcrackah,

Again, please: Are we going to pulse 3, 120 degree coils in succession, or all at once ... is there a firing order? I'm sure I am not the only one unclear about this. Some people just don't speak up, but I don't care if I look stupid.

You can pulse them in succession or all at once.

Are you just showing one-of-three circuits in the two pictures you posted?

Yes. And for most of my testing, I only used one of the FETs.

If so, how does the cap pair hook up to all three?
Greg

For the bulk of my testing, while using the pwm3g, I only had connections across the source and drain of a single, of the three, FETs.

This simplified things on the scope. I'll need to make another diagram for how I connected things when I used 2 FETs at a time. On the PWM3g, each Sourceneeds it's own separate filtering cap, which all connect together on the isolated side. The drain is the same for all of the FETs, so you only need one filtering cap. If you look at the picture, there would be a wire connecting each source wire to each FET source. Each source would have a filter capacitor connected to it's respective source, and they would all connect together on the filtered side which leads to the primary of the little inductor.

When you have more than one FET hooked up you need to use a scope to tune for standing waves, but the problem I had with this was that one of the channels would eventually heat up, because it would fall outside of the 2-2.5 uS pulse time (on the Gate). When you tune a channel to go above that it's letting current through and it will burn out on you after so many minutes of running.

The PWM3G is not ideal for pulsing all channels at once. I just used it to do a proof of principle. Ideally, you get one driver for several FETS and that's how you'd get your multiple solid state switches. You need very fast SMD caps on the gate to insure sharp rises in all the FETs.

If you can get it working with one FET first and design with scaling to more FETs on the same driver.

I've never run the coil with all FETs, 120 degrees out of phase. It's advanced and sounds dangerous from what Boyce has said, so until I get the chance to eventually experiment with that I can't say any thing about it as I'm ignorant regarding it.

Running it like that probably creates a vortex so the strength multiplication could be vast, so I'd suggest being careful.

[crackahcrackah]

@crackhacrackha

I have a pwm3g and the toroid, I would like to try this setup like you say. Did you modify the board at all? What do you mean sink from toroid?
I'm not quite clear on how to hook it up. I'm no electronics wiz, but i do ok.
Just a little confused. Are you using a 1:1 transformer? Sorry for all the questions, just want to understand fully.

I modified the pwm3g by removing the diodes that are placed in between the Drain and Sources of the 3 FETs. Those 3 diodes are right next to where the source wires plug in on the blue block. It's a pain removing them and you need to crank up the heat on the soldering iron.

I'm going to recommend that you only remove one of those 3 diodes for basic testing and learning. I'd do the one for the channel that can hit the highest frequency ( I think that's ch3 from memory).

The line where you see the text "sink from toroid", is literally your source line that is going to be chopped up. Let's be clear, there is that line, from the toroid, and there is the other side of the board which receives the 12v and ground lines. I didn't put the source battery, or the 6.5" toroid in the picture because the people on the forum where I posted knew from messages.

You should not, under any circumstances hook up the power source, which goes through the 6.5" toroid, then leads to the Source of the one FET, until you have it properly tuned. You will instantly burn out the FET otherwise. You will want to tune the channel so that the potentiometers for the Duty cycle are at 9-10 Ohms. Literally use an ohmmeter to make sure that you get the resistance as high as possible.

Then you want to power up the board (not the toroid source, but the board 12v and ground connections) and look at scope images of the Gate for the FET. You will want to tune the Gate ON duration to ~2-2.5uS. You will then need to put bipolar capacitors, as depicted in the diagrams I posted, across the FET source and drain. You're going to want to use at least a 1" toroid (I got mine from micrometals as a sample), as your transformer. Wind the primary and secondary as 1:1 and put a FWBR and a high voltage, low cap. condensor on the secondary side. You're only going to be able to power LEDS and neon bulbs with the voltage that the solid state FETs can handle (at least with this basic configuration, pulsing to create a vortex would probably power more, but it's very uncharted territory and you need to think of an aetheric tornado when you think of this. Baby steps first).


I'll try to draw a diagram with a depiction of every thing used. I just did a short cut on that other forum because people were familiar with the rest.

For those of you who are learning please don't go diving into this with out at least studying what is happening in each section of the circuit. I've saved a ton of money compared to other people because I did a lot of thinking, and rereading what other people have written on this topic. I did spend at least $100-150 on various speed and voltage FETs. I burned out numerous ones in the testing process, so be warned. And I suggest you consider desoldering the FET you plan on working with, and soldering in a female connector plug, so you can easily slide in and out burned out FETs, or different FETs for testing.

I'd even recommend drawing out tesla's 568,176 patent yourself, with his symbols put into the form you're most familiar with to help simplify understanding what's necessary and where it goes in relation to the other parts. Sometimes his patent drawings are a little more artistic than needed.

The learning process isn't just messing with these circuits. Please understand that because it will save a ton of money, and at some point you will be able to just look at certain circuits and know that they are operating in the same manner as this Tesla patent (ie: Stan Meyers, probably EV GRay, Boyce, the Newmann motor, etc.), they all create the high frequency pulses using induction.

[crackahcrackah]

Gmeast, I would go for all at once first at least depending on how you do it they might not be quite sychronised anyway, i'm not sure though.

I have tried the symetrical caps and it works OK I got over 500 volts in them with a wireless collector coil on my sparg gap setup. Wow I never would have guessed it Sucahyo was doing it a long time ago I remember he had a discussion with Seamonkey about it.

Thanks crackahcrackah .

What was your input voltage, that is, the tension that you were breaking? Since it's a spark gap you won't be able to easily tell what the connection duration is. I would probably keep oscilloscopes far from a spark gap setup. You're already getting incredible output.

If you get the chance please post your own circuit schematics to help others and reinforce the basic required components and geometry.

There's a reason why they made us do algebra over and over and over...Eventually it becomes second nature, and I really would love to see every one learn from this thread, even if they aren't running experiments.

[Farmhand]

crackahcrackah, I'll have to draw it by hand, it'll be too difficult by computer program too many custom componants. I've got a much better video uploading now with a measurement of the caps voltage. I have it more finely tuned aswell, I can get the input down to under 400 Ma in one configuration, thats with the HV to one side bottom and ground with very small spark gap on the other and a 10mm air gap in between the apex ends of the coils( no spark there but energy is flowing )

I don't think i will connect my scope to it. It should be OK just sitting 3 feet away though shouldn't it ? I've also worked out how to charge a battery with it. I might try to make it a self runner. Probably another hour or so till next vid is up. I'll start drawing.

Cheers

I don't want to distract from this thread so i'll keep this stuff to the Stingo thread, from now on.


EDIT #2 Here's a drawing


Here's a close up of part of the coil, when I got to the apex of the coil form I reversed the direction of the twist. It's a "Brake". I also put a neon in the center of the top of the coil form for an indicator for tuning.

Edit #3

[gmeast]

Newman

Hi all,

I really hate to point this out, but ......

I've followed Joseph Newman for many years. You know, he is doing this. He has a huge inductor. He pulses it with a commutator. If you study "The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman" you see that his commutator is designed with a requirement for precise timing. He captures the BEMF with the commutator. He always speaks of his motor coils in terms of "weight" of "warr". His systems are huge so that he does not need to pulse at high frequencies. The Newman motor replications you see in the threads ALL stop short of building them correctly. I have not seen one that uses his timing schemes; save perhaps one. And they advertise ... I forget their name. They have a website. They also use pyramids n' stuff. I think Newman has the original "window motor".

As we go through these ideas in this thread, I always keep saying to myself "this all seems so familiar ... ", and it is. I have heard much of this regarding the Newman machines. He doesn't seem like such a Do-Do right now, ya' think? But why he still jumbles terms like "tarque" and "pawr" and "furse" (force) is still beyond me. He is truly a genius but also he is his own worst enemy. I think he actually is one of Tesla's 'secret admirers"

Also, That dumb little PWM I posted is capable of 5uSec "on" pulse at 20kHz with a 12 V P-P !. So it's not so bad after all. ...just need a little more "warr" wound on the coil .

http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/pwm0.jpg
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/pwm00.jpg

Well? There ya go,

Greg

[crackahcrackah]

Hi all,

I really hate to point this out, but ......

I've followed Joseph Newman for many years.

It's funny you raise this issue now as just last night when I was refreshing my own memory on oscilloscope images of Newmann's motor, I came across a post by you on JLNaudin's site. Man oh man, talk about a small world and coming full circle eh?

As we go through these ideas in this thread, I always keep saying to myself "this all seems so familiar ... ", and it is. I have heard much of this regarding the Newman machines. He doesn't seem like such a Do-Do right now, ya' think? But why he still jumbles terms like "tarque" and "pawr" and "furse" (force) is still beyond me. He is truly a genius but also he is his own worst enemy. I think he actually is one of Tesla's 'secret admirers"

I don't think Newmann is nuts. I thought he knew what he was doing from the first few interviews I'd seen of him. I have a pretty good BS detector as my professional training is actually within a sub-specialty of Psychology. Any way, I've studied this alternative energy issue for 4 years and any one who was working with the inductive spikes stood out to me, especially when I found where Tesla was using this technique. At that point, it was pretty clear that various approaches to tapping the environment are possible, but they will require inductance, capacitance, and special procedures.

Newmann also struck me as arrogant, but I could be mistaken. I also couldn't figure out why he didn't just go public after his fights with the government. He just DOESN'T understand the mafia that controls the government, and has for a long time, is not going to give him patent rights. He's lucky he hasn't been killed, but since he comes off as so eccentric, they probably figure he'll kill his own credibility, unless he's willing to do a full disclosure to the public.

*shrug*

Those who aren't in this for $$ will go much further than those who are, and it will have an impact upon society that the mafia just can not attenuate.

[crackahcrackah]

Also, That dumb little PWM I posted is capable of 5uSec "on" pulse at 20kHz with a 12 V P-P !. So it's not so bad after all. ...just need a little more "warr" wound on the coil .

http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/pwm0.jpg
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/pwm00.jpg

Well? There ya go,

Greg

When you hook up an inductor to that you should closely monitor your FET to be sure it doesn't over heat and burn out on you.