This is it !

[gmeast]

scope shots

Does anyone have or have a link to scope shots of the watkykjy's charging setup: FET Drain, Battery + (battery - too)? We all saw the gate driver output(s) in the video but little else.

Thanks

Greg

[gmeast]

scope capture

Hi all,

I'd like to share these scope captures of the circuit that started this thread.

My setup is just like watkykjy's charging setup in the video, except I'm not using Boyce gear, micro, toroids, etc. The charging diode is in series with the choke (inductor) and the choke connects to the batter top (+). Mine's the same

Here they are:

This first shot shows the pulse over 3 or 4 usecs. The yellow trace is the Drain and the green trace is the field collapse and oscillation. The choke (inductor) is selected to keep the first oscillation from going below the battery and Mosfet. That 'positive-going' spike goes up beyond the screen another 50 Volts or so. The frequency is around 21KHz.
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...ate_diode1.JPG

In this second shot, the yellow trace is the top of the battery and the green trace is the same oscillation as in the first picture. If you look very closely you will see a pretty good sized (plus-going) 'bump' in the battery voltage right where that first spike shoots up through the top of the battery. And also, most all of the remaining oscillations remain 'on top' of the battery voltage. My battery is a full sized automobile battery with allot of 'inertial'. It would take a pretty good jolt of current to create the kind of distortion as that 'bump'.
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...late_diode.JPG

But shouldn't the diode STOP everything from going beyond the top of the battery? Maybe my diode is not fast enough. Maybe there should be a switch there instead.

These are NOT screen shots of my new, faster components running.

Anyway, thought you'd like to see these.

[crackahcrackah]

Does anyone have or have a link to scope shots of the watkykjy's charging setup: FET Drain, Battery + (battery - too)? We all saw the gate driver output(s) in the video but little else.

Thanks

Greg

Sorry I don't have any shots from his setup. He posted a number of videos on youtube so it's probably worth looking through them. There are no more than maybe 10 videos and I'm pretty sure he's got the spikes in there.

But you should note that his setup is such that the inductor connects to the FET source, so that's where the mega spikes will be. The drain side gets spikes but they are seriously tiny. Like 5v and under from my own recollection.

Here's a few pics of my own set up from almost this time last year. I'd have more pics but my camera sucks and my physical health has prevented me from doing much more than read.

These pictures are from before I got my setup optimized to where I was getting ~300v spikes from a single FET. I would have taken pictures from then but again, poor camera, and poor health. When it hurts really really bad to move you tend to not get up and move on whims. I hope these help some what.

I'm moving in with a family member at the end of this month to work on physical therapy (again) and maybe by February I'll actually be able to work with circuits again and start contributing to this thread more than I have.

[crackahcrackah]

Hi all,

I'd like to share these scope captures of the circuit that started this thread.

Congrats!!

But shouldn't the diode STOP everything from going beyond the top of the battery? Maybe my diode is not fast enough. Maybe there should be a switch there instead.

You're seeing longitudinal waves in effect. They're faster than transverse waves and I don't think diodes have an influence on them. I used Tesla's approach due to this and it routes the pulse through a transformer primary, to ground. I posted a picture earlier in this thread of my setup which was based on that tesla patent. You could try the same thing if you want. It's where I plan on picking up when I am able to. But I will use all capacitors in order to efficiently gauge what kind of energy I'm pulling from the "vaccum".

Congrats again. You've done what very few people have done.

[Farmhand]

Hi crackahcrackah, it's good to hear your getting some help with your physical problems. It is very difficult for me aswell sometimes, i've had 2 discs removed from my neck and the vertibra fused, i've suffered terrible pain and reduced ability for years, for a very long time nobody even believed me, they would say I was making it up to get out of doing stuff even lazy people would say it to me. Two weeks after the operation to fix my neck another disc "just popped" when I was stretching so now i'm just as ruined as I was before, there are a lot of people worse off than me though. So I just do what i can when I can, the biggest problems come for me when I try to sit still for too long, which means I have to keep standing and walking around. Or lay down.

So you can know i understand somewhat the difficulties invoved with chronic pain and problems.

Anyway all the best with your therapy, I hope your health improve's, my thoughts are with you.

Cheers

[cikljamas]

This guy is on the same path as we are, and you got to see his video :
YouTube - Self Running Coil test 1

Cheers !

Oh, not to forget, 7imix, i replicated that circuit of yours with
2n2646 and irf530 and it drains between 1-10 mAmps, but without
oscilloscope i can not do much with it , turning the pots like a blind
man i cant find sweet spot to make it to be selfrunner, but i am afraid
you can not do that with oscilloscope too, am i right ?

This is also very interesting video that you have to see also, this guy
even made it in his own fashion till the very end (OU) !
YouTube - Perpetual Self Runner.MPG

[gmeast]

Luc

This guy is on the same path as we are, and you got to see his video :
YouTube - Self Running Coil test 1

Cheers !

Oh, not to forget, 7imix, i replicated that circuit of yours with
2n2646 and irf530 and it drains between 1-10 mAmps, but without
oscilloscope i can not do much with it , turning the pots like a blind
man i cant find sweet spot to make it to be selfrunner, but i am afraid
you can not do that with oscilloscope too, am i right ?

This is also very interesting video that you have to see also, this guy
even made it in his own fashion till the very end (OU) !
YouTube - Perpetual Self Runner.MPG

Hicikljamas,

He goes by Luc or Gotoluc. He started the "Water Spark Plug" thread here and on Overunity. I spent well over a year on that project building two systems I installed in my VW Bug ... I improved my gas mileage by over 25%. See my Youtube (gmeast). I still have a couple of spark videos videos there.

The video you posted turned out to NOT be self-running afterall ... boo hoo.

Anyway

[Farmhand]

Ok, i've identified where I was going wrong with my circuit building, it was a simple mistake that I repeated somehow, pin not connected. a bit of dyslexia I think. I removed the drawing above till I do a better one.

I have a good feeling about tonights efforts being successfull.

I will post a good drawing and circuit board layout diagram, along with the results of my testing.

I would like to make my own circuit boards and i'm looking into it.

No core's yet.

Cheers all

[gmeast]

inductor

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But you should note that his setup is such that the inductor connects to the FET source, so that's where the mega spikes will be. The drain side gets spikes but they are seriously tiny. Like 5v and under from my own recollection.
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Hi crackahcrackah,

Thanks. I'm a little confused though. When you say "inductor" do you mean the choke connected to the diodes (that are all common together on the board)? I know that the wire from the choke (small green wire) goes back up to Battery(+). Also, the Toroid windings common also go to Battery(+).

My point of confusion I guess lies in how the diodes on the board hook up re: the Mosfets and whether the Mosfets are "N" or "P" channel. Diodes as part of inductive load driving circuits typically span the load.

So do you have any idea what the mosfets are (N or P) and how the diode is hooked up for the self-charge effect (on the Hex Controller)?

Thanks

[gmeast]

question

Allot of mosfets have a free wheeling diode integrated into them. We don't really want that do we? That inhibits our ability to put the BEMF where we want it ... in line between a choke and the battery(+) ... not directly to the (+) or other.

Yes, No ??

[gmeast]

where's everyone?

Hi all,

Well it's fun talking to myself here. I've been thinking allot about the videos (1 - 4) and reading some more.

It is truly unfortunate that when a promising COP>1 technology seems to actually be valid, that the discussion forum becomes closed, vaporizes, etc.

Scouring PESWiki for info on the Hex controller used in the video. It seems there is not much relevant current info' there other than about the second 'chip implant'. Sterling's interview with Boyce indicated that Boyce was 'concerned' about the technology being "DANGEROUS". Whether something is dangerous or not lies with its use and the user. And what is meant by "dangerous" ... dangerous to the user because he is making his own energy an might get taken out by a sniper, or "dangerous" to the public, or "dangerous" to some corporate C.E.O.(s) somewhere? Maybe all of the above.


On the Hex controller: There are three(3) channels used. I'm thinking maybe you need a 'phased' pulse to access, what ... the vacuum, aether, ZP ... whatever? So you need a 1st sharp pulse to 'open' a crack, a 2nd sharp pulse to suck in some free energy and the 3rd sharp pulse to close the crack again.

Well? that's as good as I've heard so far.

Is $190 bucks a good deal for the 650-66 core + silver/copper/teflon wire + bee's wax + transformer tape + instructions?

I will try and answer myself

Later

[bugler]

I am confused about Boyce's systems.

I understood reading peswiki that he is not disclosing all the info to replicate the hex controller. If so what is the point then to post about it?

On the other hand there is info in panacea on the bob's wfc.

Anyone can explain to me whether he is disclosing all the info to replciate it or not?

Thanks.

[gmeast]

typical

I am confused about Boyce's systems.

I understood reading peswiki that he is not disclosing all the info to replicate the hex controller. If so what is the point then to post about it?

On the other hand there is info in panacea on the bob's wfc.

Anyone can explain to me whether he is disclosing all the info to replciate it or not?

Thanks.

Hi bugler,

Frustrating isn't it? The gentleman, cikljamas, that started this thread, opened it upon viewing a year-old set of videos on watkykjy's channel covering his work with the controller he built for use on hydrogen cells. Then there were the modifications by watkykjy (whatever those were) to the Hex. I'm sure cikljamas was unaware of the paranoia, cover up and other issues that cloud this ... yet another technology that could free us, the 'REAL' citizens of this planet from the 'control freaks' of the world. The excuses (which is what they are) for why Boyce will not open source the Hex controller are lame. If he's trying to get patents then he can actually say so.

This always happens to budding technologies that actually can serve a useful purpose. Something else overshadows the achievement ... in this case it is the poor man's fight with cancer(s) and the controversy of what caused the cancer(s) ... namely some surgically implanted, perhaps RFID chips, (oh ... and how did they get there in the first place?). I have commercial, industrial experience with these things as well as with the implant chips for animals and pets. For proper implant in a creature, a special protein coating on the implant's surface is required so that the implant will adhere to local tissues and so the recipients immune system will not try and reject it. Sometimes the immune system 'slimes' a non-coated chip with something and it wanders around the body, sometimes getting lodged somewhere with fatal results. My guess is the chip was improperly prepared and unskillfully implanted for whatever reason(s) by whoever (certainly no one would self-administer these things ?)

(OH, AND BY THE WAY, AND AT THE SAME TIME, ONLY MY HEARTFELT BEST WISHES AND HOPES FOR A MIRACLE GO TO BOB BOYCE: AS IT SHOULD FROM US ALL).

I PM'd watkykjy with some basic questions, but I don't expect an answer because it seems, he too, has been scared into the shadows by something. I'm honored he posted to this thread though (yeah ... but only once).

This technology has been figured out it seems. There is NO monopoly on figuring things out and if one person can do it then others can too.

I'd still like to know the relationships between the diodes, MOSFETS (N or P channel), the little choke back to the battery and the diode's relation to that choke, where the screen shot are probed from (gate, drain, source?), and if it is a 'phased pulse'.

I'll forge ahead based on my new take on this but still attempting to avoid the use of a Micro ... even if I'm the only one left on this thread.

Season's greeting to all and hopes for a prosperous new year to come,

Greg

[bugler]

Hi,

this is similar to steorn. they have the secret to free electricity but somehow they won't give the details nor sell the machine. I can't understand it.

Have you read the message about the Robert Adams pulse motor ( http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...gn-review.html ) thinks he found OU and he is willing to share it.

Let's hope both things are true.
Right now I don't have electronic skills but I hope to have them in a couple of years of constant study.

Maybe you can get of the details before they vanish somehow. What do you say?

[Farmhand]

Hi Greg, I'm still here and still interested, I haven't received my core's yet and i've run out of some other necessary componants to play with.

$190 sounds resonable for all that stuff considering I paid $117.00 just for the core, a T650-52 though. I'm a bit confused on the wire size for the primaries. Also wondering if the silver coated wire is necessary.

I think the wax is needed. I need a new soldering iron and a bigger magnifier, i'm wasting too much stuff because of that, i'm going to town today to get as much as I can.

Hopefully my little digi scope will come today. Maybe the core's too.

I think your right about the phased pulses thats why I want to wind my core with four primaries, with the opposite pimary windings connected in series there would only need to be two oscillators 90 degree's out of phase, and i've read that the output is increased if the secondary is shorted. So thats why i want to wind a secondary on there first, I can short it and having spent a fair bit of money I will be using the transformer as a transformer, when i'm done self charging batteries. I don't want to have to unwind it to wind a secondary on it. I was also thinking of winding two secondaries on opposite halves but I probably won't.

Any way I have to go it's time to travel.

Cheers

P.S. I didn't spend $117 bucks on a core to give up before i get it, and I did warn that it may take me a while to get a working circuit.