This is it !

[cikljamas]

farmhand desulfator

Hi all !
Well, i spent last hours of yesterdays evening like this :
YouTube - Angry Little Devil
Why ?
I was already tired and could not to concentrate very well, and
i soldered this Farmhands desulfator on little board as final product,
but holly cow i made some mistake and i could not find where is
that little devil, so i lost my nerves and i suffered a little attack of
nerves, and finally i became so tired that i fell asleep with this
desulfator in my hand and pcb in another

After i woke up, guess what was the first think that i made ?
Ok, lets cut the crap, at the end of the story i found out that i
did not connect pin 3 and pins 5 and 6, wow, that was a real
relief, after i soldered these pins i finally got the desulfator
working well, and with very, very good results, i have to test
it more but even now i can say its efficiency is best than bingo
and stingo, so Farmhand you are the man !

Sorry that i had to postpone this Gregs project but today i go
to store to see about this mosfet, i think i should have to order
from abroad, does anyone know if i could put instead of this
Gregs mosfet some replacement (any other n channel mosfet) ???

Farmhand you made me laugh with this picture of the devil, thanks
for that I just needed something like that after your desulfators
suffers, but at the end it turned out very good, thanks again !

Sucahyo, thanks for your engagement in this thread too, sorry i had to
postpone that relays measuring too...I ll catch it up, no worry !

Merry Christmas to all of you !!!

[Farmhand]

Hello all, Greg did you catch this post.

Hi Greg This page here outlines a good reason for the choke.

This is what it says


Quote:
There is an issue with electrical equipment connected across the battery;
lights, radio, etc. Depending on the impedance of this equipment, it may
absorb some of the pulse energy, thereby minimizing the effect on the
battery. To solve this problem, slip a ferrite toroid core over each
positive battery lead (right at the battery) going to the other equipment.
Exclude the pulse charger lead. The ferrite core will increase the high
frequency resistance without affecting the DC performance of the
circuitry. Hence all the pulse energy will enter the battery and not be
consumed by the electrical loads connected to it.

battery desulphater

Makes some sense. That is what I originally thought we should do with it, I mentioned it back there somewhere I think.

Cheers

Your last scope capture is very interesting too. I'm getting EXCITED !!!

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Sucahyo,
Excelent I would like to experiment with that.

This is stingo self desulfator:
Standing voltage is 4.25V. After attaching the circuit voltage go down to 2.91V that slowly rising to 2.95V.

YouTube - Stingo self desulfator

cikljamas

Hi all !
Well, i spent last hours of yesterdays evening like this :
YouTube - Angry Little Devil
Why ?
I was already tired and could not to concentrate very well, and
i soldered this Farmhands desulfator on little board as final product,
but holly cow i made some mistake and i could not find where is
that little devil, so i lost my nerves and i suffered a little attack of
nerves, and finally i became so tired that i fell asleep with this
desulfator in my hand and pcb in another

After i woke up, guess what was the first think that i made ?
Ok, lets cut the crap, at the end of the story i found out that i
did not connect pin 3 and pins 5 and 6, wow, that was a real
relief, after i soldered these pins i finally got the desulfator
working well, and with very, very good results, i have to test
it more but even now i can say its efficiency is best than bingo
and stingo, so Farmhand you are the man !

Hahaha Yes I am very happy you had some success with it. I found it very frustrating aswell, you got it sorted out much quicker than me.

My mind works "like a model T Ford" and yours "works like a Ferrari"
I haven't fallen asleep with a drawing in one hand and PCB in the other but I have been very close to it.

and finally i became so tired that i fell asleep with this
desulfator in my hand and pcb in another

Hahahah your Ferrari must have thrown a rod or run out of fuel.

Farmhand you made me laugh with this picture of the devil, thanks
for that I just needed something like that after your desulfators
suffers, but at the end it turned out very good, thanks again !

Your Welcome. These circuits are not my design, they were designed by Seamonkey as variants of an Alister Couper design I think. But you can call them whatever you like of course. I thought it would be a good taste of circuit building with MOSFETS for you as it was for me. I am still having some troubles.

My dual fet setup has problems with a twitchy trace, not sure whats wrong. I'll probably strip it back to one fet, it might be a feedback problem, I think.

Happy Holidays Everyone.

Andrew.

[gmeast]

choke

Hello all, Greg did you catch this post.

Quote:
There is an issue with electrical equipment connected across the battery;
lights, radio, etc. Depending on the impedance of this equipment, it may
absorb some of the pulse energy, thereby minimizing the effect on the
battery. To solve this problem, slip a ferrite toroid core over each
positive battery lead (right at the battery) going to the other equipment.
Exclude the pulse charger lead. The ferrite core will increase the high
frequency resistance without affecting the DC performance of the
circuitry. Hence all the pulse energy will enter the battery and not be
consumed by the electrical loads connected to it.

Your last scope capture is very interesting too. I'm getting EXCITED !!!

.....................

Thank you I did and now I know why, just don't know how to wire it in if it's right on the battery post ... so I'll use one in series with the diode to the battery like in the video... of course I don't have one ... find one somewhere.

This is a capture I posted earlier and I just figured out what it means ... I think:
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...n4r3-30pl3.JPG
The negative bump in the battery trace (green, at the beginning of the pulse) is the energy and power (time) used to drive the pulse onto the toroid(coil). It is interesting that there is a 'ringing' of the battery right when the pulse reaches the bottom of the battery. Now, I figure if all of the areas (battery trace-green) on the right side of the pulse (after 'turn-off') add up to more than the area of the dimple on the left side of the pulse (at 'turn-on') then there is an 'absolute' positive charge coming to the battery from ZP field(s).

Anyway, Merry Christmas and other religious observances and Happy Holidays.

Later

[gmeast]

'nother trace

Hi all,

I'm sure you are growing tired of seeing these scope captures, but here's another anyway. I believe it is good to try and figure out what some of these waveforms are telling us:
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...n4r3-30pl5.JPG

In this trace, there is a 'rut' to the right of the pulse. I believe I know what that is. Here goes:

After the pulse, the toroid (coil) is ringing but is 'captured' above the battery by the diode as the battery gets a charge. When the ringing is over, the diode is no longer working and the yellow trace is now 'just a trace'. It drops out, recovers and returns to battery voltage potential ... and all of this without any effect on the battery (by looking at the battery trace-green)... I think.

Well, there ya' go ... another in a long line of images I've posted about whatever it is we're doing.

Later. Happy, Happy

[RedRightHand]

Well Done Guys!

Your replications and experiments are coming along nicely, I, like Farmhand, share a great deal of enthusiasm over this device.

I just wanted to go back to the original thread topic for a moment and ask a very very simple question.

Have we seen any other evidence of a self charging effect other than the famous waitiki videos? Did any other 'evaluators' post comments?
The world was shown such an amazing device and then......nothing.

Why?

I was ready to shell out $1000s for this device in January 2010, but it all just seemed to fizzle away. The world needs this device now!


Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Red

[7imix]

Hi all,

I'm sure you are growing tired of seeing these scope captures, but here's another anyway. I believe it is good to try and figure out what some of these waveforms are telling us:
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...n4r3-30pl5.JPG

In this trace, there is a 'rut' to the right of the pulse. I believe I know what that is. Here goes:

After the pulse, the toroid (coil) is ringing but is 'captured' above the battery by the diode as the battery gets a charge. When the ringing is over, the diode is no longer working and the yellow trace is now 'just a trace'. It drops out, recovers and returns to battery voltage potential ... and all of this without any effect on the battery (by looking at the battery trace-green)... I think.

Well, there ya' go ... another in a long line of images I've posted about whatever it is we're doing.

Later. Happy, Happy

The scope shots are invaluable, thanks.

If you can increase the frequency a lot until the next spike is in phase with the bottom of one of the oscillations from the previous spike, the voltage across the diode will increase as the oscillations become stronger because the spikes are reinforcing them with precise timing. Decreasing the duty cycle of the spike as much as possible will also help. Putting a low power, rf transistor stingo after the output of your op amps might help. I'll try it and post a diagram if it is effective.

The effect on the battery with the ringing you have now is probably either less than the amount of energy consumed driving the circuit or so small that it will only be observed after a long period of time. Try running it overnight and measuring the source battery voltage before and after.

Tuning the frequency is imperative for this circuit. With the water fuel cell as resistance, the frequency isn't as important, as the circuit is producing full spectrum noise through the resistance. Without an extremely high impedance there's nothing for the spike to push against and generate random electron motion. This random electron motion otherwise known as amps in the load circuit, or power dissipated as heat, and work. This could be why the choke coil will help performance.

However, greatest gains in this type of circuit will come at the resonant frequency of the coil (and all other parts of the circuit -- the impedance of the entire circuit matters). When the pulses being driven by the source are in harmony with the oscillations in the load, the voltage will increase significantly, and with a high enough impedance load the amperage available might as well.

Try hooking up some high accuracy potentiometers in series with a few pots of different orders of magnitude. This will help tune the frequency and duty cycle extremely well and you can find the frequency at which the effect is amplified the most.

When a coil is oscillating at it's resonant frequency it's resistance drops. This helps to maintain the oscillations in the coil. Tesla even used active cooling around the coil in one of is patents to get the coil closer to superconduction so the high voltage oscillations don't die down as quickly.

YouTube - RLC Circuit - Resonance (Part E)

[7imix]

Well Done Guys!

Your replications and experiments are coming along nicely, I, like Farmhand, share a great deal of enthusiasm over this device.

I just wanted to go back to the original thread topic for a moment and ask a very very simple question.

Have we seen any other evidence of a self charging effect other than the famous waitiki videos? Did any other 'evaluators' post comments?
The world was shown such an amazing device and then......nothing.

Why?

I was ready to shell out $1000s for this device in January 2010, but it all just seemed to fizzle away. The world needs this device now!


Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Red

Earlier in this thread there are some posts to other forums, ou.com I think, and some PDFs with lots of info. Some of these people claimed successful replications. I don't think lots of money is required to build the circuit -- while the big toroid kit is extremely beautiful and I hope to buy one, smaller toroids or larger air core toroids might be able to replicate the effect on a smaller scale. The difficulty is in the driving circuit -- the original video used a microprocessor programmer with very low level code to achieve extremely accurately timed pulses. The sharpness of the pulse is also of extreme importance. There are many viable replacement driver circuits being developed in this thread, several of which look promising.

The key with this circuit is going to be careful tuning and accurate measurements. This is why a scope is so essential, far more essential than having the right toroid. An LCR meter will also be useful. On ou.com I saw a nice inexpensive coil design that I hope to attempt to replicate soon, when I have a bit more cash.

[gmeast]

self-charger

Well Done Guys!

Your replications and experiments are coming along nicely, I, like Farmhand, share a great deal of enthusiasm over this device.

I just wanted to go back to the original thread topic for a moment and ask a very very simple question.

Have we seen any other evidence of a self charging effect other than the famous waitiki videos? Did any other 'evaluators' post comments?
The world was shown such an amazing device and then......nothing.

Why?

I was ready to shell out $1000s for this device in January 2010, but it all just seemed to fizzle away. The world needs this device now!

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Red

If you are referring to Bob Boyce's Hex Controller self charger demo in 4 parts by watkykjy, (the one initiating this thread), then that is the goal. Allot of posts have been talking about various battery desulfators but only in a context of possibly apply the pulsing characteristics of those devices to a self-charge set-up like in the watkykjy videos. What I'm trying to do specifically is to replicate the Hex Controller results but NOT using a Microprocessor and program so that 'anyone' can build it. I'm keeping one constant in the effort, and that is the Toroidal Transformer. I have purchased the 650-52 toroidal transformer core, wire and other materials so that I have at least ONE of the same exact components as watkykjy used in his video (as you can see from my posts). In the videos, there were NO scope shots of the pulses going to the Toroid, only shots of the gate signals driving the Mosfets. No help has come from watkykjy even though I have PM'd him, and I don't expect him to respond anyway. This always happens to these efforts and is often motivated by paranoia or some 'perceived' threat. I welcome it!

I view a self-charging device operating from its own battery, in 'real-time', as the 'Holy Grail' of the modern quest for O.U. or C.O.P.>1 stuff. This seems to be the ONLY kind of thing folks can accept.

I hope you participate and supply any insights you have that might help to enhance this effort.

Happy Holidays & thanks for chiming in.

[Farmhand]

Hi all, I know I know, funny time to post but, I gotta keep my old model T brain clunkin over or it might not start up again.

So i've done some research and come up with some gems from the Don Smith Document.
Below is two picture's of the same setup, it appears to be a very similar thing to what we are doing, except for power production.

The arrows are just pointing to a part that is different in the two pics.

http://9xhe3g.bay.livefilestore.com/...TPU.png?psid=1

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...led.png?psid=1

I can see he has three coils wound on the annular core ( which is laminated and insulated Iron rings i'll bet ) But I can't quite work out the function
of them and which is which.

I think one would be the pulsed coil(probably the red one), Another would be the control coil ( or accelerator coil )(probably the small one) and the

other one would be the Secondary for power take off (the biggest one that has the small red one wound on it) . Very interesting. I can't find any Text to go

with that drawing But I will also include some Snippet Quotes below and some diagrams.

Theroy of principals

Useful Electrical Energy is obtained directly from electron spin induced by incoming magnetic
waves, or indirectly through mechanical exchange as in dynamo type devices. Simply put,
electron spin converts from magnetic to electrical energy and vice versa. Nature provides grand
scale magnetic wave induction throughout the universe, for free. In Electrical Systems,
movement is at right angles to the direction of current movement. This explains the rotary
movement of the Earth and other related Systems. The rate of Spin for the Earth is known as
well as the mass (5.98 x 1024 Kg - "Physics for Scientist and Engineers", by Raymond A.
Serway, Saunders College Publishing, 2nd Ed. page 288, Table 14.2), therefore the amount of
incoming Electrical Energy which produces this action can be calculated.
It can be seen quite easily, that the incoming magnetic wave energy is Vast and Continuous. As
an accretion mass, the Earth is an Energy Sink, getting it's energy from elsewhere, being
Cosmic, Galactic and Solar. Conversion of incoming magnetic waves into electrical energy
provides an unending, inexpensive and environmentally friendly source available to all.

Some theory

ELECTRICAL ENERGY WITH ASSOCIATED PHENOMENA
Electrical Effects.png - Windows Live

1. Current-amperes results from the unequal distribution of negativity (electrons).
2. Electron spin causes electrical current and magnetic lines of force.
3. Magnetic imbalance causes the gravitational effect. This is evidenced in electric motors by
magneto-gravitational displacement of mess, which causes the motor to rotate.

Some more theory

POWER TRIANGLE
Electrical Effects.png - Windows Live

1. Random movement of electrons in "A" and "B", mostly cancel each other out. This
dampening, or wasteful concept of energy, is a source of much pleasure for the establishment.
2. "C" (Volt, Amperes, Reactive "V.A.R."), is the situation where all of the electrons move in
the same direction at the same time. This results in near-unity energy output by resonant
induction transfer.
3. Resonant induction transfer from one isolated power system, allows other resonant induction
systems to duplicate the original source, which in no way diminishes the original source. Aircore
coils (isolation-transformers) confirm this when they are a part of one of these functioning
systems. A less perfect illustration would be the fact that the number of radio sets tuned to a
particular radio transmission, does not alter the power required at the radio transmitter.
4. Resonant induction transfer, disturbs a large number of adjacent electrons which were not a
part of the original input power source. The pulsating-pumping effect then draws in the newly
available additional electrons into the on-going energy generation system. A near unity energy
system of resonant air-core coils and the extra acquired electron-energy source constitute an
over-unity system.

This circuit seems very simple and powerfull.

DC NEGATIVE PULSER
Electrical Effects.png - Windows Live

Magnetostriction oscillators work by magnetic resonance in a rod of magnetostriction material.
This rod serves two purposes: It vibrates at the frequency of resonance oscillation, and it
becomes the feedback transformer. Frequency is determined by items 4, 5, 6 and 8. The
diameter, length and volume of the rod and output windings, determines the output. Item 2
provides feedback into the system. The negative magnetic character of item 8 plus the windings
2, in reaction to the magnetic flux field provided by 9, increases (amplifies or magnifies) the
output. Magnetic permeability is the counterpart of negative resistance. Resonating with
negative magnetic resistance, it pumps energy from the Earth's ambient background. Magnetic
permeability is the ratio of flux density (Earth's B field) to the magnetizing force (H) in
oersteds.
Magnetostrictive materials are piezoelectric in character, and have a very high resistance to
electrical current flow.

............................

Looking at the Bob boyce TPU paper the last three pages or so are very interesting and helpfull. Thanks Bob.

Cheers all

P.S. As soon as I work out how to embed those diagrams I will do it. Maybe I have to change them to Giffs.

[Farmhand]

Ok,

I thought it worth noting in a separate post, that in my opinion on the Boyce toroid with the three pimaries or pulsed coils are actually both primary coils and accelerator coils at the same time.

When pulsed a certain way that is, or at certain frequencies when the flux intensities would slingshot each other, kind of thing, ( around the ring). I think this could be achieved while pulsing the coils in unison at the right frequency, by phase control, by the use of biasing windings or simple phase shifting.

I keep getting the impression that the principals involved in this device are very usefull and I don't want to miss any tips or tricks that may come to be usefull either soon or further in the future.

EDIT. Some PDF's for those that don't have them already.

Bob_Boyce-TPU.pdf - Windows Live

Donald smith practical guide.pdf - Windows Live


Rgds

[Farmhand]

Maybe !!

The reason Don had to use such a large annular core (toroid) would be that Iron rings(as a core) would be more easily saturated than a T650 "Iron powder" core, and so he needed more of it to use a reasonable amount of power at high frequency while avoiding saturation and overheating. " I think"

Also note what looks like "copper shielding" around the unwound portion of the core..

Also the control would have been easier to achieve with a bit more phase angle distance to work with.

Not important for us to worry about that though.

.......

[7imix]

Good work farmhand. Don smith is the source of a lot of my thinking about electricity and this device.

[Farmhand]

Hi 7imix, I agree Don had things pretty much worked out. When I first read that document I almost melted with fury. Our parents would have had a much easier life if this stuff was not suppressed. Makes me wanna spit. Grrrrr

Anyway I am thinking of other adventurous projects aswell. For later. I know it's totally off topic but .... Does this drawing make any sense?

http://9xhe3g.bay.livefilestore.com/...003.jpg?psid=1

It would be fun to watch if it did work.

The idea is an Earth battery powering an SSG which has a magdrive incorperated to drive a Van De Graff Machine which delivers its "Juice" directly to a plate 'p' arrangement through the breakdown of the air gap, the energy is then transformed, rectified and ouput. I would estimate best cop on earth. Just kidding again, but well thats the idea.

Will it work, do you think ?

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Thank you I did and now I know why, just don't know how to wire it in if it's right on the battery post ... so I'll use one in series with the diode to the battery like in the video... of course I don't have one ... find one somewhere.

This is a capture I posted earlier and I just figured out what it means ... I think:
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...n4r3-30pl3.JPG
The negative bump in the battery trace (green, at the beginning of the pulse) is the energy and power (time) used to drive the pulse onto the toroid(coil). It is interesting that there is a 'ringing' of the battery right when the pulse reaches the bottom of the battery. Now, I figure if all of the areas (battery trace-green) on the right side of the pulse (after 'turn-off') add up to more than the area of the dimple on the left side of the pulse (at 'turn-on') then there is an 'absolute' positive charge coming to the battery from ZP field(s).

Anyway, Merry Christmas and other religious observances and Happy Holidays.

Later

The thing that first occured to me was to run the input to the oscillator through the wire wrapped on the choke core, then we would probably need a big cap there to allow for the instantanious HF draw of the the oscillator/s, The recovery back to the battery from the diode would then be attached to battery positive. This way the HF recovery pulses would not get to the oscillators to hamper thier operation because the choke would resist the HF but the big cap would be easily supplied with DC and would buffer the "pulsing' draw of the oscillator aswell (so the battery could charge).

Thats just what occurs to me thats all, I don't really know, when I look at it thats what I see. There are probably a few ways to do it.

A ferrite choke should be OK for this method. Maybe, again it's hard for me to know without the data to verify that either.

Cheers

[gmeast]

choke

The thing that first occured to me was to run the input to the oscillator through the wire wrapped on the choke core, then we would probably need a big cap there to allow for the instantanious HF draw of the the oscillator/s, The recovery back to the battery from the diode would then be attached to battery positive. This way the HF recovery pulses would not get to the oscillators to hamper thier operation because the choke would resist the HF but the big cap would be easily supplied with DC and would buffer the "pulsing' draw of the oscillator aswell (so the battery could charge).

Thats just what occurs to me thats all, I don't really know, when I look at it thats what I see. There are probably a few ways to do it.

A ferrite choke should be OK for this method. Maybe, again it's hard for me to know without the data to verify that either.

Cheers

Hi Farmhand,

Santa's almost here ...

OK, I have to wrap my head around what you proposed. I can change frequency and tune it out with the gate offset and PW. Now, I already have the recovery diode returning to Battery+. I guess that doesn't change? And so the choke is on the battery- ... Fet source then ?? I really don't like Caps because they leak, but ......


Later