This is it !

[Farmhand]

I agree with you Greg, Tesla was first and foremost about big scheme's for big things, but in his very dilligent experiments trying to forever improve efficiency, and performance he has apparently patented many devices with OU possibilities in thier design.

It's my opinion that a great deal of inventions that people try to patent have elements from Tesla's designs. And they don't tell us even though it is not thier idea. Some are quite upfront and admit it though some don't. Even if they think it up themselves if it is already done it is too late.

There are also OU devices in commercial production as you linked to. They should not be able to patent things already covered by Tesla's patents or anybody else's. In my opinion.

Thats all I was getting at. It's funny.

Cheers

What I was thinking was after we've self charged a heap of batteries. We should take the OU output from our big toroid secondary rectify it and pulse it from caps into a primary of a few winds, which is inside a center tapped secondary, like in the drawing of dons and Tesla's.

More OU. Bigger Party.

All we have to do is build a small center tapped tesla coil and we can try it. Anyone can, thats the good part about it. We just need some HV caps and stuff. But that can wait, it has to anyway. I don't have the stuff.

[7imix]

Free energy: energy which is freely available in the environment and which is extractable to perform useful work.

Absolutely tesla believed in free energy. At the end of his 1891 lecture "experiments with alternate currents of very high frequency and their application to methods of artificial illumination":

We are whirling through endless space with an inconceivable speed, all around us everything is spinning, everything is moving, everywhere is energy. There must be some way of availing ourselves of this energy more directly. Then, with the light obtained from the medium, with the power derived from it, with every form of energy obtained without effort, from the store forever inexhaustible, humanity will advance with giant strides. The mere contemplation of these magnificent possibilities expands our minds, strengthens our hopes and fills our hearts with supreme delight.

Then there is the wheelwork of nature quote:

Nikola Tesla - Wikiquote

it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature.

[Farmhand]

Then there is the wheelwork of nature quote:

Nikola Tesla - Wikiquote

it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature.

[/QUOTE]
Well yes that is the goal.

Exciting times we live in. I wonder what will happen next.

If enough people get close enough to being able to harness thier own usable energy maybe they will just start making and selling them, what other choice would there be. Except miss out on the party completely.

We can only hope.

Don't forget the Switch is any make/break circuit like yours or mine, just the quicker and sharper the better and with the phase thing on the Toroid, that would be a cheap input. I have a lot of circuits to build I need three op-amp circuits three Stingo's and three separate CMOS Circuits. To try different things. I better get cracking.

[7imix]

Thinking about it a bit more, I don't believe in overunity. The universe is always in unity. Every tiny change affects everything else. What we are really trying to overcome is entropy.

Entropy is the gradual randomization of energy through friction turning it into heat, which is a phenomena of unaligned oscillations.

Syntropy is the gradual linearization of energy through some organizing process. The aligned oscillations can then be channeled through some mechanism to perform a meaningful action. Meaning is only assigned by consciousness, so useful is relative. To some people it is useful to sit in commute traffic for two hours every day.

Even in tesla's day to theorize about "perpetual motion machines" would get one ostracized. However, there's nothing perpetual about a device that extracts energy from the ambient medium. A device which linearized additional electrons in a circuit using the fluctuations in the earth's magnetic field, which is most likely what the toroid project is, would not work outside of the earth's magnetic field. A device which extracted energy from a large capacitance such as the earth, which is likely what the magnifying transmitter and don smith devices are, would not work without a path between a large capacitance and a large potential difference.

A solar panel is a free energy device. A windmill is a free energy device. Nobody gets ridiculed for trying to harness the power of the sun or wind. They can see the sunlight, feel it, feel and hear the wind. People have a harder time believing in things they cannot see. Tesla could see that incredible amounts of energy were always and everywhere moving constantly. Once there is an easily replicable device which can harness even a small fraction of the tremendous power churning everywhere, people will finally start to believe it is possible because they can witness and measure for themselves. Belief creates reality. Once even a single working device is manufactured and begins to cause more and more people to believe because the can see it for themselves, every other manufacturer in the entire world will have to follow suit -- otherwise they will end up like an 8 track manufacturer in a world of CDs... Bankrupt.

[Farmhand]

Of course you are right 7imix, OU is a misleading tag, I prefer free energy myself, if they were offering free food, I would not mind paying to transport it. But the food itself would be free. Especially if you could transport twice as much for the same cost. Also thats what a party is all about isn't it, the "FREE CAKE" ?

Obviously Gmeast will be first to do these things, I bet he has his Toroid half wound already.


Anyway it's this little bit of text (picture below) that is related to our tuning.

http://9xfdag.bay.livefilestore.com/...ute.jpg?psid=1

Smaller cap higher possible frequencies, it kind of explains the reason why I think that cap size is important related to the inductance of the coil. And how the circuit seems to over-ride the chip sometimes, instability and such. With this circuit i'm using at the moment anyway. Thats why I asked yesterday about it.

Anyway it's another tip for me at least, i'm not sure if it would apply to other circuits or not, but I think a cap across the coil is needed.

One cap across the Power rails should do it even with three coils because the positive's are common and the coils are grounded common, to charge through the fets. I hope, but that would likely lock the frequency or phase together but it would still adjustable in that range, kind of thing. Not sure of course, just guessing.

Edit #2, I allmost forgot Don said in one of his video's that his Toroidal Power Generator is just a Tesla Transformer wound on a toroid, the short primary is wound over the secondary by the looks of it. It's basically the same as the drawing cikljamas posted. Funny how these things come together.

cikljamas, see Gmeast found the Tesla patent with your Don Smith Device in it. You can build as many as you like. Nikola won't mind. Tesla used a rotary interupter commutator/switch thingy.

What do you think about that ?

Oh and to add to what 7imix said in the last post about free sun and wind energy, it is true, even a rainwater tank is a free energy device, when it catches rain a distance above the ground the water then has stored potential which can be used for free. It even produces a form of current when it is used. Free energy abounds.

[Farmhand]

Ahah, Gmeast I managed to get my circuit to give out a waveform that looks kinda like yours. I have my two 15 v windings in series to get that. And with only 136 Ma input, I have 160v on the shunt caps rectifier, it's lumpy DC wave go's no lower than 120v, I would like to pulse my car coil with that but I dont think it is spikey enough I need a 120v HF cap pulser. I wonder how to make that. I suppose I could give the coil the AC for fun.

Oh here's the shot.
http://9xfdag.bay.livefilestore.com/...003.JPG?psid=1

I have a neon triggered SCR cap pulser 1 or 2 uf maybe that will work.

Cheers

[cikljamas]

Greg, you just made Ray Barboni from the Miami (not Albuquerque) angry again !!!

Dont you dare to insult my countryman !!!

Now that i became angry i did this :
see attachment...

I am going to try to translate this passage inside the frame,
lets try, sorry but i ll do my best, these are Teslas words :

" Inquiry of cosmic rays is very familiar to me. I was the first one
who discovered these rays, and it is naturally that i feel them as
my own blood and flash."

"That kind of source of everywhere accessible energy will solve
a lot of problems that human race deal with."

His cosmic engine for using energy of the cosmic rays Tesla
describes like this :

"More than 25 years i have been trying to harness cosmic rays
and now i can say that i succeeded to use them in motional/movable
device."

Here is how Tesla described base/fundament of his cosmic engine :

"I am gonna tell you in the most general way :cosmic ray ionizes
air, releasing huge amount of charge - ions and electrons. These
charges being captured in condenser/capacitor are stored for later
usage in electrical circuit of the engine."

It is interesting that Tesla assumed well that cosmic rays are
positive charges (today we know that in space exists mostly
protons)

Would you like me to translate this too ?
TESLIN AUTO NA KOSMICKU ENERGIJU
The car that Tesla drove on cosmic energy, you never
heard about that ?

What about harp project ?

What about huge Teslas heritage in works of whole army
of scientists ?

What about Long Island tower and mother #$#%er J.P. Morgan ?

What about 20th century that was invented by Tesla himself ?

But at the end of this story i must translate one poem that my wife
put in front of me this morning from the book
Primo Levi Se questo e un uomo ...If this is a man :
Wow, i found it on the internet, it spared my time, here it is :

Voi che vivete sicuri You who live safe
Nelle vostre tiepide case In your warm houses,
voi che trovate tornando a sera You who find warm food
Il cibo caldo e visi amici And friendly faces when you return home.
Considerate se questo è un uomo Consider if this is a man
Che lavora nel fango Who works in mud,
Che non conosce pace Who knows no peace,
Che lotta per mezzo pane Who fights for a crust of bread,
Che muore per un sì o per un no. Who dies by a yes or a no.
Considerate se questa è una donna Consider if this is a woman
Senza capelli e senza nome Without hair, without name,
Senza più forza di ricordare Without the strength to remember,
Vuoti gli occhi e freddo il grembo Empty are her eyes, cold her womb,
Come una rana d'inverno. Like a frog in winter.
Meditate che questo è stato Never forget that this has happened.
Vi comando queste parole. Remember these words.
Scolpitele nel vostro cuore Engrave them in your hearts,
Stando in casa andando per via When at home or in the street,
Coricandovi alzandovi When lying down, when getting up.
Ripetetele ai vostri figli. Repeat them to your children.
O vi si sfaccia la casa Or may your houses be destroyed,
La malattia vi impedisca May illness strike you down,
I vostri nati torcano il viso da voi May your offspring turn their faces from you.

Now i have to ask you If these criminals who obstruct these technology
to be used widely are a men ???

And Tesla was a man ! ECCE HOMO !!!

So, my dear friend Greg do not doubt in Teslas greatness any more !

Love and peace to all of you !!!

[gmeast]

well it worked .. tah-dah

This was my way of inciting a cycle of reaffirmation. So if anyone every asks that same question or has the same doubts, just send them here where the quotes and arguments have been well thought out, organized, scrolled down and presented in an open forum.

cikljamas: Please give my regards to dear Ray Barboni from Miami.

Later

P.S. When is the right time to Stop wishing everyone "Happy New Year" ?

[cikljamas]

This was my way of inciting a cycle of reaffirmation. So if anyone every asks that same question or has the same doubts, just send them here where the quotes and arguments have been well thought out, organized, scrolled down and presented in an open forum.

cikljamas: Please give my regards to dear Ray Barboni from Miami.

Later

P.S. When is the right time to Stop wishing everyone "Happy New Year" ?

Well, do you think that i was not aware of your (hidden) intention to incite a
cycle of reaffirmation ?...Ray Barboni is wise fox, we should not underestimate
him, and if anyone every asks that same question...Barboni is going to be
angry again, i assure you , only thing that i am not sure about is if you are
sincere or not when you speak about well thought out thoughts, and
if you was not sincere 100 %, you are alowed to put on the paper all your
further thoughts and doubts instead of leaving us (me and Barboni) in our
doubts about your possible doubts...

I arealdy send your best regards to Miami, not Albuquerque !

When is the right time ? If not now, when ?

Cheers !

[cikljamas]

Peter Savo and the car on cosmic energy

It seems that Tesla did not have a nephew by the name of Peter Savo,
this is the fraud, Peter Savo is a fictional person, i have somewhere in
my computer more convincing story about that event and real person
who witnessed Teslas demonstration of driving car moved by cosmic
energy...When i find it i will scroll it down and present it here...
And until then, use this article :
1931 Electric Pierce Arrow | Tesla FAQ No. 16 | Interesting Facts About Nikola Tesla

[gmeast]

no doubt

Well, do you think that i was not aware of your (hidden) intention to incite a
cycle of reaffirmation ?...Ray Barboni is wise fox, we should not underestimate
him, and if anyone every asks that same question...Barboni is going to be
angry again, i assure you , only thing that i am not sure about is if you are
sincere or not when you speak about well thought out thoughts, and
if you was not sincere 100 %, you are alowed to put on the paper all your
further thoughts and doubts instead of leaving us (me and Barboni) in our
doubts about your possible doubts...

I arealdy send your best regards to Miami, not Albuquerque !

When is the right time ? If not now, when ?

Cheers !

Undoubtedly, you are duly doubtful of my doubting doubts, undoubtedly based on the doubts I doubtlessly posted here ... or something. Others have doubts though ... undoubtedly.

Later

[Farmhand]

Well I had some disapointing results with the car coil all I can get is AC or DC waves on the secondary output. No spikes or pulses the SCR didn't like 16 Kz and the neon glowed all the time.

Anyway so I got a 6 inch loop coil .6 ohms and i'm pulsing that, and i've got a normal quadfiler coil 0.5mm 4x125 foot windings all series connected, sitting in the middle of that ( 2 inch gap) with shunt caps feeding the step down transformer with the two 15 volt windings also in series then rectified. I get 6.35v on a 220uf 200v cap with that.

The circuit is also charging a second battery like normal, it's using 38 Ma at 12.5v. This seems unaffected by whatever is done with the freestanding coil, the setup is only working at 1 Kz.

But i have a problem. How do I test this for c.o.p. ? It seems to have potential even as rough as this. I only need 100Ma at 6 volts from it for cop>1 don't I ? How many led's do I need to burn for that ? I only want to measure the electrical output not the battery charging.

Now it's pouring rain again. Unbelievable. The lowlanders are already swimming.

Cheers all

cikljamas, you should set up one of these. It's easy. Low voltage tesla coil. It works. I would never have believed it myself.

http://9xgamg.bay.livefilestore.com/...001.JPG?psid=1

http://9xgamg.bay.livefilestore.com/...002.JPG?psid=1

http://9xgamg.bay.livefilestore.com/...004.JPG?psid=1

Ummm I just lit up a 5mm white led quite bright and it dropped the voltage to 3.4v or so but it only used (edit 1 Ma), I didn't actually expect it to be that "currentless"

What do I do about that ?

Really interesting Scope shots from this i'll post em in a sec.

[gmeast]

Cop

Well I had some disapointing results with the car coil all I can get is AC or DC waves on the secondary output. No spikes or pulses the SCR didn't like 16 Kz and the neon glowed all the time.

Anyway so I got a 6 inch loop coil .6 ohms and i'm pulsing that, and i've got a normal quadfiler coil 0.5mm 4x125 foot windings all series connected, sitting in the middle of that ( 2 inch gap) with shunt caps feeding the step down transformer with the two 15 volt windings also in series then rectified. I get 6.35v on a 220uf 200v cap with that.

The circuit is also charging a second battery like normal, it's using 38 Ma at 12.5v. This seems unaffected by whatever is done with the freestanding coil, the setup is only working at 1 Kz.

But i have a problem. How do I test this for c.o.p. ? It seems to have potential even as rough as this. I only need 100Ma at 6 volts from it for cop>1 don't I ? How many led's do I need to burn for that ? I only want to measure the electrical output not the battery charging.

Now it's pouring rain again. Unbelievable. The lowlanders are already swimming.

Cheers all

cikljamas, you should set up one of these. It's easy. Low voltage tesla coil. It works. I would never have believed it myself.

http://9xgamg.bay.livefilestore.com/...001.JPG?psid=1

http://9xgamg.bay.livefilestore.com/...002.JPG?psid=1

http://9xgamg.bay.livefilestore.com/...004.JPG?psid=1

Ummm I just lit up a 5mm white led quite bright and it dropped the voltage to 3.4v or so but it only used 0.001 Ma, I didn't actually expect it to be that "currentless"

What do I do about that ?

I think you only need 79mA at 6V to be COP=1 ... so, 'yes' 100mA will say COP>1. So where would you put the load? Is the output a 'pulsing' output? If it's pulsing then it's even harder to figure power output. Now, wherever you may want to put the LED's, charge up a capacitor instead with a diode and time the charge cycle. You can compute the power that way. If a load at the 'charge' location affects the rest of the circuit, it may be difficult. Anyway, I think the capacitor-charge method is pretty hard to argue with.

Later

PS Sorry to hear about the damage suffered to the mining industry by the flooding in Queensland. Stay safe

[Farmhand]

Ok i'll have to work something out with testing. First some wierd looking scope shots.

Almost normal recovery waveform.
http://9xgamg.bay.livefilestore.com/...002.JPG?psid=1

This is the transformer sinewave, it's the same both side's just different size.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...007.JPG?psid=1

And this one is from the DC of a FWBR, the AC across the "pickup" secondary, I put it there just to scope and measure. This one's ugly.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...003.JPG?psid=1

So how are they for sweet shots ? How's ya wrappin goin anyway.

[gmeast]

last shot

Ok i'll have to work something out with testing. First some wierd looking scope shots.

Almost normal recovery waveform.
http://9xgamg.bay.livefilestore.com/...002.JPG?psid=1

This is the transformer sinewave, it's the same both side's just different size.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...007.JPG?psid=1

And this one is from the DC of a FWBR, the AC across the "pickup" secondary, I put it there just to scope and measure. This one's ugly.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...003.JPG?psid=1

So how are they for sweet shots ? How's ya wrappin goin anyway.

That last shot is really amazing. Nothin' random going on there ... every saw tooth is identical (or so it seems) the little jaggeds are the same.

On the wrappin': they sent all of the primary on one spool. To guarantee that all are the same length (3) I'll need to unwrap the whole thing and re-wrap to three spools. Can you imagine winding two of the primaries only to realize that the last one is going to be 'short'?

Got other work to do, so wrapping will be 'now and then'.

Later