This is it !

[cikljamas]

Now it's pouring rain again. Unbelievable. The lowlanders are already swimming.

cikljamas, you should set up one of these. It's easy. Low voltage tesla coil. It works. I would never have believed it myself.

Farmhand, Australias flood is first news by now in whole world i think...
You should begin to build Farmhands ark...
What about crocodiles and snakes ? Do you have some protection against
these beasts ? When i proposed my wife to go to live in Australia she said :
NO WAY !...She is terrified by snakes, she can not see them even on
television... ...So, you are blessed living on that hill, thanks God for
that, otherwise who would send me these nice circuits plans ?
So, could you make some drawing to make me easier job of replicating
what you just proposed to me ???
Since i already have two desulfators, and bunch of stingos and bingos
all i need for my experiments is your drawing to see how to connect these
elements...

Greg, lets see how it sounds in croatian, i am going to translate this sentence
in croatian to better understand it :

Undoubtedly, you are duly doubtful of my doubting doubts, undoubtedly based on the doubts I doubtlessly posted here ... or something. Others have doubts though ... undoubtedly.

Nesumnjivo, ti si opravdano sumnjičav u pogledu mojih sumnjajućih sumnji,
nesumnjivo utemeljenih na sumnjama koje sam bez sumnje ovdje objavio...
ili tako nešto. Drugi ipak imaju sumnje...nesumnjivo.

Hm, it is not easy to read this even after it is translated, but it is easier at
least a bit...
to read it...
holy****...

Cheers !

[Farmhand]

I think you only need 79mA at 6V to be COP=1 ... so, 'yes' 100mA will say COP>1.

Yes the lack of current is a problem, if i disconnect the recovery will more power will be availiable ? Maybe but I don't think so, i'll have to try that later with more power..

So where would you put the load?

You tell me, where ever we want, there is saw tooth DC, sinewave like stuff, and rectified DC in a cap.

Is the output a 'pulsing' output?

See above

If it's pulsing then it's even harder to figure power output. Now, wherever you may want to put the LED's, charge up a capacitor instead with a diode and time the charge cycle. You can compute the power that way. If a load at the 'charge' location affects the rest of the circuit, it may be difficult. Anyway, I think the capacitor-charge method is pretty hard to argue with.

Yeah I think cap filling will be the best way, maybe both outputs can be measured like that. You will have to explain it to me when you get some time, no hurry.

All I can say is, this is interesting.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Do you have all the parts in the picture cikljamas,

For the primary I used maybe 15 20 feet two strands .5mm looped about six inch's diameter. Looks like about 15 or so winds. you can use thicker single strand. Mine is .6 ohms. I made it so it sits about 10 mm of the table on it's little legs.

You'll need an air core coil a couple of hundred feet long winding at least. Longer the better. I used .5 mm

Step down transformer. I used a 20VA dual 0-15v secondaries series connected.

Two small non polarised caps. I used 2 x 1.1uf.

FWBR I used 4x 1n4007 diodes

Electrolytic cap I used 220uf 200v. but on there I could use 35v.

I really need to sleep now cikljamas, so i'll do a drawing tommorrow, for sure.

I have 35v 10 000uf caps for testing, that should tell one way or the other.

Anyway you should be able to put some of it together from my pics and the Tesla or Don Smith drawing.

I'll make a drawing tommorow though for sure. Not tommorow just a ew hours time, already 3.56 AM. Three hours kip should do me.

Cheers all

Cheers.

I couldn't resist it, here's a snake for you cikljamas, This is a carpet python.
http://kozddq.bay.livefilestore.com/...ake.jpg?psid=1

I had to catch it out of my chicken house, because it was going to trim off some of my OU chickens,

These one's.
http://kozddq.bay.livefilestore.com/...cks.jpg?psid=1

He didn't get any.

[gmeast]

Yes the lack of current is a problem, if i disconnect the recovery will more power will be availiable ? Maybe but I don't think so, i'll have to try that later with more power..



You tell me, where ever we want, there is saw tooth DC, sinewave like stuff, and rectified DC in a cap.



See above



Yeah I think cap filling will be the best way, maybe both outputs can be measured like that. You will have to explain it to me when you get some time, no hurry.

All I can say is, this is interesting.

Cheers

*Wanting to use a capacitor for calculating power. The easiest way is to use the units of Joules and Watts. Power is usually defined as the rate at which energy is dissipated, transferred, created, used, whatever. This ... for all systems ... mechanical and electrical.

For a capacitor, 1 Joule = 1/2 X Capacitance X Voltage squared and is an expression of energy. So to express a Joule in the context of Power we need a Time component ... seconds, minutes, hours or whatever. We'll use "Seconds". So Joules/Second is an expression of electrical power. And it so happens ... thanks to our earliest pioneers in this stuff, that the units for power were kept to a standard ... 1 Joule/Sec = 1 Watt ... that's nice! We know that Voltage X Amperage yields Watts, but we need not concern ourselves with a time component with 'watts' because it is already built into the definition for current (the 'rate' at which a charge travels through the surface of a material or... 'so many' Coulombs per sec. ).

I think you see where this goes now, and one example will say it all:

for Joules = 1/2 x C x V^2 & 1 Joule/Sec = 1 Watt:

a 100,000uF cap 'filled' to 10V in 1 second is expressed as power like this:
1/2-------------C-------------V ^2---Sec
(1/2 x (100,000 x 1/1000000) x 10^2)/1sec = (1/2 x 0.1 x 100)/1sec
(1/2 x 0.1 x 100)/1sec = 5Joules/sec and 1Joule/sec = 1Watt so:
5Joules/sec = 5Watts

So, during that 1 second you were producing 5 watts of continuous power. Make sure you use a big enough cap so you can stay in a nearly linear part of the cap's charge curve during the 'timing' period.

Normally you would need to 'meter' a big cap with a resistor and take that resistor's voltage drop into account and include the power being dissipated by the resistor as part of your generated power. This is because a big cap can easily overload a Mosfet or a transistor feeding directly into a cap (inrush), but since we are driving from BEMF spikes there's no problem only that whatever diode is used can handle the inrush current (this could be a 100Amp pulse) starting with an 'empty' cap. You can also have inrush into an 'empty' inductor on the first pulse.

I was very fatigued when I wrote this ... I think it's correct.

Later

[cikljamas]

Do you have all the parts in the picture cikljamas,

Step down transformer. I used a 20VA dual 0-15v secondaries series connected.

Hi Farmhand, you should kip a little bit more than just a few hours, i know
Tesla had been kipping just a few hours, Napoleon also, but i could not
sleep just a few hours, and that is the only reason why i will never be so
famous as they are , but if you continue like this i am not sure if
such a fame could not happen to you too, so you have to be careful !

I have almost everything you mentioned except 10000 uf electrolytic cap.,
but i have a few 2200 uf caps, so i could connect them in series...

Step down transformer 0-15v secondaries series connected...i could use
for that purpose my 220/12 0 12 toroid that i bought yesterday and
connect secondaries in series...I mean primary is irrelevant i guess ?

Couple of hundred feet long winding must be on the air core, not on
the ferrite core ? I mean what would happen if i wound it on the ferrite
core, does it make big difference ?

And THANKS for your tomorrow drawing !!!

Python is cute but chicken is cuter and chickens babies are cutest !

Now i can not resist to show you something from my carpet :


Cheers !

[cikljamas]

Greg, Barboni was still angry a little bit today and thanks to that
he learned too something, would you like to see what he learned ?
Ok, here it is :

Looking for that article about Teslas cosmic energy car (could not find it)
i found something else : Here is the story : Allegedly Tesla said to Robert
Peary (north pole discoverer) to observe and inform him about strange
events on his journey towards north pole...

After i read this today i began to search the internet to notice possible links between Peary journey (comparing dates) and TUNGUSKA EVENT and it corresponds indeed...

Peary set off from New York on July 6, and tunguska explosion occurred
ABOUT (see why this about in next link) that time too :
Nikola Tesla and Tunguska

And what about UFOs and Tesla connections ???
See this link about this guy (Tesla heritage during Teslas lifetime):
Thomas Townsend Brown, Electrogavitic propulsion inventor

Maybe we should read this too :
Tesla -- The True Wireless

And this is where you can find more on Teslas wireless, scalar wave
work :
21st Century Books -- Tesla's Wireless System

Maybe you do not know who is the father of B2 STEALTH ELECTROGRAVITY
PROPULSION ?
Chapter Six: UFOs and Electrogravity Propulsion « Revolutionizing Awareness

YouTube - B2 Bomber and Electrogravitics (Biefeld-Brown) Declassified

Enjoy !!!

[cikljamas]

Guys, you just have to see all three parts of this video :

YouTube - Electro gravitics & UFO propulsion 1/3

YouTube - Electro gravitics & UFO propulsion 2/3

YouTube - Electro gravitics & UFO propulsion 3/3

I think Greg this is going to open your eyes completely !

[Farmhand]

Ok , I forgot to wake up, you were right cikljamas, i actually needed 6 hours sleep, but it was a very good sleep. Be carefull! bah, I don't need to worry too much about being carefull, even the police need directions to find this place. Whenever I feel myself getting paranoid and begining to slump I just think of you an Gmeast and I staighten right back up again.

These floods are a perfect example that we should not be forced to rely on others, sometime's the only one who can help us is ourselve's. lot's of people with no lights no refidgeration etc., because no power come's from the wall. We need some alternatives, other than solar ,wind and such. More the better.

It's true if we let fear or paranoia stop us, nothing will ever change. Little old me is no threat to anybody, unless they (MIB's or whatever) come to my place and threaten me personally, then I might turn nasty. Who knows what will happen, I might turn into a whirling tazzie devil.

Anyway, Yeah the 10 000uf I mentioned is just for testing nice neat number, I guess any big one will do or a few or whatever, for testing the capacity needs to be measured and will be not exactly 10000 anyway.

Couple of hundred feet long winding must be on the air core, not on
the ferrite core ? I mean what would happen if i wound it on the ferrite
core, does it make big difference ?

You might have trouble getting the ferrite to stay still while you wind him. Oh wait, that a ferret. Haha You can try any coil you like, I really don't know what will happen, it should work. That transformer will be perfect. It will transform

In my opinion the output would be more usefull for lights and stuff if it is not converted back to EM, eg used without going through the elecrolytic cap. Being largely currentless it should light more lights in series than normal, from my mini three pole I can light 6 leds in series(from unrectified Radiant) "the center led's", but i can't measure any current and the voltage doesn't change much, converting back to EM for me at the moment is only to measure, I want the radiant energy on tap so I can experiment with it, this seems like a good way to get radiant in a form other than a spike.

I'll make a drawing before I do anything else now. It'll be quickest hand drawn.

I like your cat, I need a cat to catch the mice.

It's still raining, I need to make some mini Hydro generators to put in the water tank overflows, it would be interesting to know how much power I could have generated from all the overflow water, I think putting one in the pipe from roof to tank would be asking for trouble, like blockages up high. the overflow would be safe it can block and still overflow out the top of the tank.

I'll put the drawing here soon.

Thanks for that explaination Gmeast. Sounds good to me. Now I have the formula's I just need to make the measurements.

Cheers

Ok guys here's a drawing-
http://9xfdag.bay.livefilestore.com/...002.JPG?psid=1

I just put rough voltage's on the transformer, thats what I get with 38 Ma @ 12.5v.

[gmeast]

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I have almost everything you mentioned except 10000 uf electrolytic cap.,
but i have a few 2200 uf caps, so i could connect them in series...

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Cheers !

parallel capacitors increases capacitance, series capacitors reduces capacitance

Later

[Farmhand]

You know what, I just looked at the circuit I drew and I can't see why the source battery would not charge when the charging battery voltage started to get higher than the source, the two batteries are being charged in series almost.

Am I missing something ?

Surely the current is flowing through the charge battery to the source battery, then if not through the source battery it would go through the circuit again.

Am I seeing things or what ?

Oh me oh my. Looks like the loop is already closed.

Rgds

What would happen if we charge two batteries in parallel ?

Would the impedance of the charging batteries be lowered by paralleling them, and would that allow more current to flow through them?
And would that charge the source battery ?
Or would it be better the other way?

Or

What if we short the charging batteries terminals with a non conductor? Maybe that would allow the HF Radiant to pass over to charge the source battery. ( like when voltage is measured outside the battery ) but make it happen better. The charge battery would be like a filter (high pass) I think.

Just some random thoughts.

cikljamas, you said I should build an ark, but first I need to build a roof big enough so the ark won't be full of rain before I finish it . The heavens have opened here, big time, somebody turn it off, ARRGG the sound is incredible. The ground is already saturated so it's all run off, lookout below is all I can say. Pray for them.

[Farmhand]

Ahah I think I just decifered the jagged saw tooth wave. Is it the vortex wave folded in half on itself because of the rectifier ? Because thats what it looks like, without the rectifier it would be the same as the transformer wave.

What do you think ? Must be.

Cheers

Well i'm confused by all these numbers, I read your explaination a few times, I don't deal with numbers well. I still haven't figured it, might be quicker if someone else works it out..

This is what happened.

12.5 volts at 38 Ma for 60 seconds filled a 10 000uf cap to 3.62 volts. This is first test with recovery in use. now that I think about it the spikes will be bigger and therefore the effect will be better with no recovery.

So another test soon.

Well that was worse The current draw went up 2 Ma and the cap ended up at 3.25 volts, on the scope the spike's disapeared. I remember putting a choke in there increased the amplitude of the spike and lowered the draw.

Another test.

Alright this looks better, my first test wasn't repeatable, but now it's a better outcome anyway. So i'll start again, this is reapeatable.

12.5v @ 38Ma input
for 60 seconds = 10 000uf cap at 4.8v
for 90 seconds = 10 000uf cap at 5.5v
for 120 seconds = 10 000uf cap at 5.9v

?? What does it mean. I can't work it out.

This is while recovery output is charging a second battery.

Oh now i see, I have electronics assistant program it says 115.2 mj for the 60 second test, that's cop 0.242 on the secondary output. No problem need more frequency.

[Farmhand]

Cop 4 ?

Well this is much more interesting. All outputs to caps. c.o.p. 4 looks like.

Can somebody confirm this.

12.5v @ 58 Ma input for 30 seconds

recovery output into three 400v 470uf caps measured to 1270uf = 47 volts
1.403 joules

secondary output into two 10 000uf 35 volt caps = 1.96 volts
38.418 milli joules

= 1.4414 joules

input = volts x amps = 0.3625 watts
output = 1.4414 watts

1.4414 / 0.3625 = 3.9762 c.o.p.

I think thats right.

Thanks


Edit , Ummm has anyone else even tested thier SSG's or anything like this ?

Did I do something wrong ? It doesn't seem right because I could have got 3.9 a few weeks ago. Probably better than that with the dual coils. I must have worked it out wrong. The 47 volts in the recovery caps is real thats for sure. I'll check it again.

Well it just gets better, I just chose an arbitrary time 30 seconds, but now when I actually measure how long it takes to get to 47 volts, I can see that 47 volts is almost as high as it gets no matter how long i wait, so just measuring how long it takes to get to 47 volts is about 15 seconds. Wow

EDIT 2
Ok so i'm still waiting for confirmation of the calculations, hopefully I did something wrong, this is at minimum power and I would like to keep testing at different power levels just for fun, but i need to know where i am before i go any further.

I don't want to waste time testing something the wrong way.
By my crude calculations above it appears the normal recovery output is cop 3.8 at least. I guess I have to wait till somebody helps me.


Another EDIT I have a feeling I might have forgoten to calculate something to do with time. I'm really confused here. What happened ?

Anyway I made this new primary, I think it should work better 0.2 ohms. 13 winds.
http://9xgamg.bay.livefilestore.com/...001.JPG?psid=1

[cikljamas]

Farmhand, i worry about you too now, not just about lowlanders, it is biblical flood indeed, did you see news that reports about fishes and birds pest in
north america and europe ?

These are serious warns that Earth is emitting
to all us, enormous instabilities of all kinds hits last 10-20 years whole
planet, and the worst thing is that these instabilities are worse and worse
every year...

Now just imagine if one of the bad solar maximum scenarios
hits the Earth like it happened 1859...Read this...In this article you can
find explanations for our current weather conditions also...
New Solar Cycle Prediction - NASA Science


Now, about electronics :

For the primary I used maybe 15 20 feet two strands .5mm looped about six inch's diameter. Looks like about 15 or so winds. you can use thicker single strand. Mine is .6 ohms. I made it so it sits about 10 mm of the table on it's little legs.

What for you used two strands ? You tell me i can use single strand, but it
seems that you too use just one strand, am i right ?, Did you maybe connect
two strands in series ?

Wire around air coil (secondary) is not connected with primary (two strands)
anyhow, just space between them ?

What is the final goal of this circuit ?

Why step down transformer, what would happen if step down transformer
becomes step up transformer, than dc load connect to source battery, would
not we than have more efficiency ?

Cheers !

[cikljamas]

watch eurosportlive.com

[Farmhand]

Hi cikljamas, I used two strands to lower resistance, when I first made that loop I only had 0.5mm wire.

Yeah it has a air gap between the primary loop and the secondary tower coil. not connected or even touching.

The goal of the circuit is resonate transformer/converter.

Can't you see that this arrangement is a very low voltage version of the Don Smith circuit which is basically the Tesla circuit. Drawing below. Set up like this, the free standing secondary is what is pulsing the toroid through the shunt caps, the trick is building and tuning it to resonance. I haven't done that yet. Tesla says in his patent that many different methods can achieve this. I think I can explain the circuit in the drawing below if you like. It is basically a "Radiant Energy" circuit.

http://9xfdag.bay.livefilestore.com/...la4.gif?psid=1

The free standing secondary and the transformer and everything except the primary and the circuit are optional "in our circuit" because we have the recovery charging modification, take it all away and test the cop by charging a cap with just the primary on the desufator. I forgot to tell you "desulfator circuit" is actually secret code for "gravity generator circuit control board". Just kidding of course.

Anyway everything we gather from the secondary output does not affect the input. Loaded or not. well it looks that way to me. Where did I go wrong with my cop calculations ? Somebody needs to tell me where I went wrong with that so i don't have, so I don't need to stay prepared for excitement.

If you use a step up transformer you will get higher voltage, probably a very good idea with a low voltage setup, but I think when we tune it and increase the frequency and power the output voltage should be high enough, especially if we get the primary secondary relationship correct.

Cheers

Ok this drawing shows the shunt caps pulsing the Primary of the Tesla coil, the secondary has the really high voltage output. I will try that soon too if I get time.

http://9xfdag.bay.livefilestore.com/...oil.jpg?psid=1

This works much better. Tiny bit more current draw, but much better result. The final secondary output is getting close to being too high for my 35 volt caps, I had to disconnect it for now. Battery charging is good.
http://9xgamg.bay.livefilestore.com/...002.JPG?psid=1