This is it !

[Farmhand]

that's cool, thanks for the info. Isn't that the point of having the advanced material core, to allow for extremely fast switching inside the core, like an air core? If you had an inductance meter you could measure the spool and the toroid to see if the core makes a significant difference in inductance, capacitance, etc. They can be found for cheap on eBay.

Here's one for ten bucks.

LCR Inductance Capacitance Digital Multimeter Meter RCL - eBay (item 300418629699 end time Jan-12-11 02:35:56 PST)

What other specs of the core might affect the output?

Well as far as I can tell the problem with the core being other than powdered iron is (and i'm no expert just the way I see it at the moment) that just air will not increase flux density, iron or steel get hot and waste power even at modest frequencies, ferrite similar but different I can't remember exactly everything I read but maybe something to do with the noise and losses at higher frequencies eddy currents or something, in a powdered iron core material the arrangement of the particals are uniformly random by action of the millions of individual iron dust particals or something like that, at the time I read it I didn't think anyone would be interested I was convinced by it.

This has formulae for you hahah.

Power Considerations (Iron Powder and Ferrite)

I'll see if I can track down the iron powder constuction info. You can make them but it won't be compressed.

Tesla used flat iron rings mostly, that fitted inside each other and were insulated from each other, I was also reading that he sometimes used the transformer itself to heat treat the core to improve it's performance. Of course air will work better at freaky frequencies, but at only normal high frequency gains would be much better with iron powder, I can clearly see the difference with the little iron powder straight core's I use in my desulfator.

Tesla would have loved compressed powdered iron core's and I would not be surprised if he actualy came up with the idea, but never worked out how use it.

Cheers

Edit.... this guy who wrote this PDF seems to know what he's talking about, i'm not sure I understand all of it but it sounds good in theory. And his name is Bruce so I think we can trust him.

http://www.micrometals.com/appnotes/...oads/id4hf.pdf


Some patents...

Tesla Toroid -
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat382282.pdf

This one is Labeled "Best Availiable Cop" Just like the "Dynamo Electric Machine" Patent Which includes the toroid.
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat583953.pdf

This is the Dynamo Electric Machine. Nice!!!!
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat390721.pdf

http://9xebdw.bay.livefilestore.com/...721.png?psid=1

Just thought I would pop those in there. Just click on the file to download them or all the patents can be found here- Also check out the drawing on the right hand side of the page with the Phases of the transformer.

Directory:Tesla's Patent List - PESWiki

Transformer phases, does anyone know how to embed this picture in a post ?
http://peswiki.com/images/a/a7/RMFpatent.png

Anyone recognise anything on the bench in this photo, I do. I think. A couple.

http://9xebdw.bay.livefilestore.com/...ion.png?psid=1

7imix, I almost forgot the point to what i was doing sorry, In the Toroid patent you can see he actually used soft iron wire or "rod" in that drawing for the core material, But ! each ring is individual and insulated from each other aswell. I'm almost certain of it.

Ok so I just lashed out and bought this one. I'll have to try to remember not to measure voltage with it.

20 Range Digital LCR Inductance, Capacitance Meter (eBay item 330489919559 end time 26-Jan-11 21:02:40 AEDST) : Industrial

[gmeast]

trimmer line spacers

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Greg, it's starting to look beutifull, I think I will use trimmer line and leave it in there, isn't that what Bob does, i'll have another look Thanks for the pics and the tips they will be helpfull for sure.
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Cheers all

Hi Farmhand,

Thanks ... it IS starting to get pretty and exciting.

I was looking at the toroid winding guide, and the 1/2 & 1/2 picture shows the trimmer spacers gone. I scanned the guide for mention of leaving the spacers 'in' and didn't see anything. Also, the pic of the finished secondary (wax & all) doesn't show evidence of the trimmer line spacers (weed whacker line). Don't think there will be an adverse effect leaving the trimmer line in, but the wire won't be held a well as it would be, being bound by bee's wax ... I would not leave the trimmer line in ... just a suggestion.

Later

[Farmhand]

Now I See

Oh ok, now I understand, I can see what you mean now. You're right. It's important to get the wire's nice and close. Definately.

Thank you for clearing that up for me.

Happy winding.

Oh no !! Have a look at this, this town is a bit south of here. I knew there would be problems down low because of the ground already being so wet, all the rain becomes runoff. Nasty events.

One dead, others at risk in Toowoomba

[7imix]

Meanwhile in Australia...

http://i.imgur.com/Tb0zi.jpg

[Farmhand]

Meanwhile in Australia...

http://i.imgur.com/Tb0zi.jpg

Hahaha Where did you get that picture ? That looks like the Fitzroy river !
I suppose they all look similar, water is usually about 8.5 meters lower, those guys need to watch out for crocks if they are above the triopic of capricorn line, or near it I wouldn't recommend night fishing there. If they are lucky they might catch a Barramundi though, it's always possible. This guy did it up Mutchilba way, I don't blame him, I would probably have done the same thing, he had to wrestle with it for 15 minuits apparently thats hilarious, I would like to have watched him do that. Very funny i'll bet.

Mutchilba man catches 30kg barramundi 'in drain, with bare hands' | News.com.au

Better link- Angler grabs 30kg barra in drain- Local Cairns News | cairns.com.au

Here's a snippet, awesome.

"It was about 4pm in the arvo and I saw something shiny in the water," he said.

"Once I realised what it was, I grabbed it by the mouth with my hands.

"It took about 10-15 minutes to catch it and the hardest part was pulling it out of the channel and into the back of my ute."

Mr Bambino said the 1.25m fish would have started its life in Lake Tinaroo, more than 50km northwest of the tiny community, but had probably been living in the Mutchilba area for six or seven years.

Anyway, When I was scrounging in the shed looking for meters I found this old analogue meter it seems to be very acurite, I think I will look after it, and keep it for outut voltage readings.

http://9xhe3g.bay.livefilestore.com/...2-2.JPG?psid=1

Cheers

[cikljamas]

Hi Farmhand and others !

I just saw the video from Toowoomba, awesome water power, we
need that power in our circuits, and Energy from the vacuum has
that kind of capacity but we just do not know how to harness it
in best way...I mean we have to discover again after Tesla discovered
it long time ago...But i hope we are getting closer and closer...

Well, regarding that yesterdays circuit, i still think it is amazing circuit,
i made drawing for you Farmhand because you asked for it (do you
remember that documentary serial ?)...Yesterday quick after 4 hours
had pasted one 100th of V dropped so after whole night measuring
it seems that this circuit drains 1/100 of one Volt every 4 hours, and now i just have to calculate according some formula if it is OU or not...
But even if it is not OU it is IMHO so good result that i should not even
care if it is OU or not...

But Farmhand, if it turned out that it is not OU you should have to
improve it to be OU, what do you think ?

This circuit of mine (5 leds flasher) was supposed to be my christmas
gift to you, but it is published in stingo thread so maybe lot of guys
did not notice it :
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ce-diagram.jpg

And now here is my yesterday (video) circuit :
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1269089771

Well, i hope you guys are going to achieve OU sooner with Gregs circuit
and toroids, than I with these desulfators, but i just cant wait your results,
so i must in the meanwhile work on something that maybe lead us to the
same goal that we aimed from the beginning of this thread, or maybe even
a little bit earlier than that !

So, we are addicted arent we ?

Well, that is just fine, to be addicted to this kind of hobby i think !

Enjoy !

And Farmhand tell me what you think about my circuit, and if you
liked it i could poste you diagram of my improved cikljamas 555 desulfator
too...
And make this 555 flasher circuit by any means, it is amazing i assure you!

Cheers !

[cikljamas]

Lets see if this is better view of 555 flasher :
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ce-diagram.jpg

[gmeast]

horrible

Oh ok, now I understand, I can see what you mean now. You're right. It's important to get the wire's nice and close. Definately.

Thank you for clearing that up for me.

Happy winding.

Oh no !! Have a look at this, this town is a bit south of here. I knew there would be problems down low because of the ground already being so wet, all the rain becomes runoff. Nasty events.

One dead, others at risk in Toowoomba

Hi Farmhand,
Those events are horrible. Glad you're OK. Take care,

Later

[Farmhand]

I love it !!!

cikljamas, That circuit is pure genius, how on earth did you think that up. I like it, you have a lot going on there but it all serves a purpose, do not forget how to put that together, it's brilliant, if you had a scope you could get very inventive. But don't despair, make sure you do good math and try to tweak it a bit, efficiency or output might improve with a tweak, but I guess you already did try that. I like your led flasher too.

Here is a pic of my experimental coils arrangement it seems to be a big improvement, but I don't have good enough equipment/current meters to measure it properly. I will get two identical meters soon though with fuses in them.

Here's the whole setup,
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...001.JPG?psid=1

The coils
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...003.JPG?psid=1

Recovery wavefrom, it's getting wigglier.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...004.JPG?psid=1

My setup works like this I think, The board pulses the two primaries and the recovery from those charges the second battery, and at the same time the oscillations in the primaries are generating oscillations in the centre coil from a distance which causes the centre coil to pulse the toroid step down transformer primary through the shunt caps, the output from the transformer secondaries can run loads . The first output is the recovery to the charge battery the second the toroid output. At 250Ma input I can charge a 7Ah battery and run a load, if i remove the load charging decreases. I need to run a load greater than the input x 2 at least, just to convince myself properly. I'm almost out of leds I have got some fans but I dont think inductive load work as good.

Cheers

[gmeast]

loads

cikljamas, That circuit is pure genius, how on earth did you think that up. I like it, you have a lot going on there but it all serves a purpose, do not forget how to put that together, it's brilliant, if you had a scope you could get very inventive. But don't despair, make sure you do good math and try to tweak it a bit, efficiency or output might improve with a tweak, but I guess you already did try that. I like your led flasher too.

Here is a pic of my experimental coils arrangement it seems to be a big improvement, but I don't have good enough equipment/current meters to measure it properly. I will get two identical meters soon though with fuses in them.

Here's the whole setup,
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...001.JPG?psid=1

The coils
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...003.JPG?psid=1

Recovery wavefrom, it's getting wigglier.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...004.JPG?psid=1

My setup works like this I think, The board pulses the two primaries and the recovery from those charges the second battery, and at the same time the oscillations in the primaries are generating oscillations in the centre coil from a distance which causes the centre coil to pulse the toroid step down transformer primary through the shunt caps, the output from the transformer secondaries can run loads . The first output is the recovery to the charge battery the second the toroid output. At 250Ma input I can charge a 7Ah battery and run a load, if i remove the load charging decreases. I need to run a load greater than the input x 2 at least, just to convince myself properly. I'm almost out of leds I have got some fans but I dont think inductive load work as good.

Cheers

Hi Farmhand,

What did you think about the scope captures I posted re: the Air-Core
coil and the 650-52 Toroid coil?

Try and locate some NON wire-wound Load Resistors with documentation. In this way, you can know exactly the wattage dissipated for a given ambient temperature. These resistor have all sorts of characterization curves and equations. These can provide indisputable data (proof). For your own satisfaction, you can characterize a load resistor yourself and use it as a standard in you R&D, then argue with the idiots later.

You just can't use Light Bulbs, LED's and things like this for computing output power especially with pulsed power. You also can't rely on standard VOM's, DMM's, Amp Meters, (none) when dealing with Pulsed Energies. One very acceptable way though is to run a Shunt Resistor on the input(s) and a Shunt Resistor on the output(s) and take your results from the areas under scope traces (areas under the curves). Of course I have yet to see the scope trace of a Longitudinal wave (cold energy).

On a side note ... in one of the Smith videos, he says " ... yes, it will tune to any EM or radio waves in the area (and you can get the energy from that...)" something to that effect. I'm trying to find it again, but it stuck in my brain. I don't think he was speaking of COP>1, I think he was referring to man-made broadcast of power (like radio). This has just stuck with me ... it was a 'Red Flag' ... dunno'

Later

[Farmhand]

Hi all,

7imix pointed out to me the whole point of having an advanced material core in the first place such as energy storage without energy loss, so here are two scope captures. The first is the air core coil I posted January 3, 2011 and the 650-52 core I'm winding now (pulsing the completed secondary).

Air Core:
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...re_w-diode.JPG

650-52 Toroidal Core:
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...-PWM-drvr0.JPG

WOW ... how they are similar! They're almost exactly the same. How's that possible?

Later

Yes these are very similar but looks like more power transfer from the powder core to me. The trace looks the same except the oscilations are wider as you go to the right. The first oscilation or two the air core has more amplitude because the power is not absorbed as well, thats what I see, both are good but with the powder core there is more penetration, it can be seen by the humping up in the space between the first and second oscilation and the yellow stays above the green higher for longer different noise pattern aswell.

Thats what I see. Looks good.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Radio Frequency

Hi Greg, In my opinion any radio waves that are bouncing around in my airspace belong to me. Seriously ! Apparently it would be impossible to make a true cop measurement if we had to rule out manmade radio waves. I could ask but I don't think they will turn them off for me to make my measurments. If there is a signal between 600Hz and 1Khz or 8 to 9Khz I am probably tapping them in different coils. The centre coil seems to pulsate big time around 8 to 9 Khz and the circuit is steady at 600Hz to 1 Khz depending on load, the radio makes a wop wop wop wop sound as well as screams, I can hardly use any volume at some frequencies, it's earsplitting.

I agree about the testing. But ! Does longitudinal energy heat up resistors ? And like you say a meter may not read it either. So in my opinion it is the timed cap fill test or completely transform all the energy back to EM before measuring it. I'm part way there with a cap and recifier, I can measure 20Ma and a very small amount of heat, but there is still HF enrgy passing over very poor conductors, like my fingers, at 10 volts, so I have a way to go with that yet.

Anyway
Cheers

[gmeast]

longitudinal waves

Hi Greg, In my opinion any radio waves that are bouncing around in my airspace belong to me. Seriously ! Apparently it would be impossible to make a true cop measurement if we had to rule out manmade radio waves. I could ask but I don't think they will turn them off for me to make my measurments. If there is a signal between 600Hz and 1Khz or 8 to 9Khz I am probably tapping them in different coils. The centre coil seems to pulsate big time around 8 to 9 Khz and the circuit is steady at 600Hz to 1 Khz depending on load, the radio makes a wop wop wop wop sound as well as screams, I can hardly use any volume at some frequencies, it's earsplitting.

I agree about the testing. But ! Does longitudinal energy heat up resistors ? And like you say a meter may not read it either. So in my opinion it is the timed cap fill test or completely transform all the energy back to EM before measuring it. I'm part way there with a cap and recifier, I can measure 20Ma and a very small amount of heat, but there is still HF enrgy passing over very poor conductors, like my fingers, at 10 volts, so I have a way to go with that yet.

Anyway
Cheers

Hi Farmhand,

It is amazing how that Tesla Hairpin Circuit works. Through water, lighting a 120VAC 100Watt bulb through a single piece of 36ga wire across the room 60ft away. That's really 'cold' electricity. Now that's something that would be nice to be able to do in solid state. I'd build the Hairpin but I just wish there was a way to make a 'polite' spark that didn't wipe out every local RF in the area. Don't think you can place a Faraday cage around it and still have it work. Anyone try that? According to Bob Boyce, you CAN place a Faraday cage around this toroid and couple to a coil 'outside' the cage, and that proves longitudinal waves are being generated .... so ... hummmmm


Later

[Farmhand]

Yes the underwater lighting is neat but I don't think I will try it, myself.

I was thinking about getting some sidac devices for low voltage experiments, in place of spark gap, but now that you mention it, I am bored with this setup so now I am going to pulse the car coil and put the HV into one of these loop coils with my conical sparkless spark gap on the return to ground or maybe the earth. That should get something spectacular happening.

If I get 200 volts from the center coil by just pulsing the loop coil with 12 volts I wonder what i'll get pulsing a few Kv through the loop with a spark gap. I'll have to try to find the tripod again for video camera.

What should I do with the output ? Or will the output decide what to do with itself ?

Then I will tidy up for my coil winding preparations.

Oh yeah I really need to wind a 1300 turn single layer tower coil too.
Cheers

[gmeast]

tesla

Yes the underwater lighting is neat but I don't think I will try it, myself.

I was thinking about getting some sidac devices for low voltage experiments, in place of spark gap, but now that you mention it, I am bored with this setup so now I am going to pulse the car coil and put the HV into one of these loop coils with my conical sparkless spark gap on the return to ground or maybe the earth. That should get something spectacular happening.

If I get 200 volts from the center coil by just pulsing the loop coil with 12 volts I wonder what i'll get pulsing a few Kv through the loop with a spark gap. I'll have to try to find the tripod again for video camera.

What should I do with the output ? Or will the output decide what to do with itself ?

Then I will tidy up for my coil winding preparations.

Oh yeah I really need to wind a 1300 turn single layer tower coil too.
Cheers

Hi Farmhand,

Glad I could divert you ... just kidding.

The output WILL "...decide what to do with itself" Unfortunately, it's sometimes a stinging bite on the ass. I guess you could try to coax it through a high frequency transformer and run some lighting (not lightening) with it.

later