This is it !

[cikljamas]

YouTube - Papillon

[7imix]

Greg would you be interested in selling your used toroid and wire to me? I don't have the cash right now but I might sometime in the near future.

Also I'm still dying to know what technology you were planning on using to implement the pulser... some kind of programmable gate array? I'd love to learn how to use those. I guess I'll just go teach myself.

Farmhand, thanks so much for the link to the pic dev board. I looked for pic boards in november but didn't find anything I liked the look of. I like that one a lot.

[7imix]

Thanks a lot for the clarification, Bob! Thank you for all the hard work you have done and all the information you have provided, I sincerely appreciate it.

[gmeast]

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I can understand if you don't like how you were treated by the group, but at least try to get the facts straight.

Bob Boyce

Amazing! There you go again! Excuse me ... I was on the receiving end and remember vividly what occurred ... it was YOU who contacted ME ... I was new to, and trying to learn about electrolyzing water ... to be scolded once again by the great Bob Boyce. My life is now complete.

Now you come into this thread and think you own it too. Is there any energy forum or thread you don't think you own?

[gmeast]

not selling & not quitting

Greg would you be interested in selling your used toroid and wire to me? I don't have the cash right now but I might sometime in the near future.

Also I'm still dying to know what technology you were planning on using to implement the pulser... some kind of programmable gate array? I'd love to learn how to use those. I guess I'll just go teach myself.

Farmhand, thanks so much for the link to the pic dev board. I looked for pic boards in november but didn't find anything I liked the look of. I like that one a lot.

I'm not quitting work on what's been started here. Now that the thread has been contaminated by Boyce, I'll just keep going on my own. Now and then, I'll try and find a way to post my progress if this thread doesn't die or I'm banned for some reason. I might start my own tread or just put stuff up on my YouTube Channel. I really have gotten tired of the silly videos. I have finished part of my new digital PWM (sans micro) and produced a swirl (with two primaries) on the toroid + charging ... but slightly different in configuration (ever so slightly) than the opening video, but still One-Battery-Self-Charging, but using a diode-configured power MOSFET for recovery.

This hasn't been a waste of time at all. This technology is needed and needed without the posturing, without the paranoia, without the secrecy, in other words, without the B.S., etc. I had quit every part of the $-draining OU work after the economy collapsed and was glad to be rid of it, but recently realized stuff still needs doing and this thread re-invigorated me ... until now.

[gmeast]

amazing!

Thanks a lot for the clarification, Bob! Thank you for all the hard work you have done and all the information you have provided, I sincerely appreciate it.

Thanks 7imix!

[7imix]

Thanks 7imix!

come on man, he explained why they had to prevent usage of the hho word while they legally had to do it... i don't understand what your beef is... we're all just trying to discover about reality here, not hide stuff from each other. i prefer not to resort to paranoia but to accept help from wherever I can get it. I really appreciate your help on this project and I'm sad to see you pick up your toys and leave.

[7imix]

I'm not quitting work on what's been started here. Now that the thread has been contaminated by Boyce, I'll just keep going on my own. Now and then, I'll try and find a way to post my progress if this thread doesn't die or I'm banned for some reason. I might start my own tread or just put stuff up on my YouTube Channel. I really have gotten tired of the silly videos. I have finished part of my new digital PWM (sans micro) and produced a swirl (with two primaries) on the toroid + charging ... but slightly different in configuration (ever so slightly) than the opening video, but still One-Battery-Self-Charging, but using a diode-configured power MOSFET for recovery.

This hasn't been a waste of time at all. This technology is needed and needed without the posturing, without the paranoia, without the secrecy, in other words, without the B.S., etc. I had quit every part of the $-draining OU work after the economy collapsed and was glad to be rid of it, but recently realized stuff still needs doing and this thread re-invigorated me ... until now.

It's strange that you rail so heavily against paranoia and secrecy yet you yourself are resorting to paranoia and secrecy... If your digital PWM works then why not share it with us. I'm sorry that you thought our videos were silly. They were useful to me.

I don't understand why you feel you need to leave this thread. From what I can tell you are angry because the wire shipped to you wasn't spec, even though data from a coil with a different number of winds would still be useful and interesting.

[cikljamas]

It's strange that you rail so heavily against paranoia and secrecy yet you yourself are resorting to paranoia and secrecy...

I would like to know the answer to that question too !

If You're Not With Us You Are Against Us

i love you now
but i have loved you not
i am the runaway
that turned to dust
i just hope to find a way
to keep it together
it shocks me how
we beat the weather
too much time done on fighting
oceans and fields of dying
there's no need to be afraid
a remedy is on it's way

to the night we go again yeah
brain free
if you are against us
brain free
if you think you can take us
brain free
if you think you can beat us
if you're not with us you are against us

we have human rights
too many wrongs
it's so damned hot
since you been gone
there'll be those that give
and those that take
and what i have for you
please don't break
i need you now more than before
as i look around
i see strangers more

there's no need to be afraid
serotonin's on it's way
into the night we go again
brain free
if you are against us
brain free
if you think you can take us
brain free
if you think you can beat us
if you're not with us you are against us

-so we roll on --into tomorrow
dumb regrets still make you hollow
-karma is in the mirror
and every day it's getting clearer

if you're not with us
you are against us
brain free
if you are against us
brain free
if you think you can take us
brain free
if you think you can beat us
if you're not with us you are against us

YouTube - Joan Baez - We shall overcome

[cikljamas]

Can't you just feel the love in this thread

Bob Boyce

Bob, there is love in this thread, at least love was overwhelming
feeling up to now, and if this thread kept alive, love would still be
overwhelming filling here, just keep an eye on it...

But the problem is that Bob Boyce did not see our thread earlier,
cause Watkykjy saw it at the same time we started with "this is
it", but he refused to be of not just MUCH help, he refused to be
of ANY help...

So we from time to time have made even jokes about the
explanation that he gave for his refusal, and the most interesting
thing is (since things happened as they happened) this : is there
really suppression in the form of serious threats to you guys who
seems to be know the answers to how to achieve OU questions ?

I know it happened before, there is obvious proofs and enough
informations about that, but is it still so vivid this kind of
aggression and terrorism towards you ?

And i ask that , because if the answer to my last question is NO,
than the only remained manner to answer to that question is
this : You play dishonest game with us ! If there is some third
possible way to answer that question, i would like to be enlightened !

But i suppose there is no way for us to get straight and sincere explanation
to our all over not just this forum spread dilemma : Who "#$s who in this
"#$ing game of deception, fraud, lies , etc...

And despite all this i repeat : Love is overwhelming feeling here, and will
be till our last breath !

I just hope that we do not have to be idiots to be loved from those who
play games with us, is it possible for us to be normal, intelligent people
and to still be loved by those guys who are going to stop to play games
with us, and show us their real and sincere love towards humanity ?

Or we have to keep paying for that "love" as we have been paying last
100 years or so ?

We do not want to be loved for our money, we want to be loved in the
name of true brotherhood as Tesla considered to be normal order of things
in this deviated world !

So, we love you Bob Boyce, we love Watkykjy too, but we just feel you
do not love us sincerely , and i hope i am wrong !

Yours sincerely !

cikljamas

[gmeast]

It's strange that you rail so heavily against paranoia and secrecy yet you yourself are resorting to paranoia and secrecy... If your digital PWM works then why not share it with us. I'm sorry that you thought our videos were silly. They were useful to me.

I don't understand why you feel you need to leave this thread. From what I can tell you are angry because the wire shipped to you wasn't spec, even though data from a coil with a different number of winds would still be useful and interesting.

I'm trying to replicate, EXACTLY, the phenomenon illustrate in the video opening this thread. One very scientific approach to accomplishing that is to eliminate as many 'variables for failure' as possible and include as many 'universally acceptable constants' as possible in the experiment. This Toroidal Transformer is 'ONE MASSIVE VARIABLE' in this equation that I wanted to turn into a CONSTANT. But because of the 'off-spec' wire, that's no longer possible. That's something to (legitimately) be really upset about. As far as the PWM goes, Bob's Hex Controller pulses the transformer windings by:

opening a port on the micro, sending the appropriate 1 or 0 to turn 'on' a FET to energize a coil, count clock beats for the 'on' time and then send the appropriate complimentary value to the same port to turn 'off' the FET and then counting clock beats for the 'off' time. Then the port is 'closed', and the next coil's port is opened and the same procedure is looped (repeated) around the sequence of coils on the toroid. Or you can just leave the ports open and only address the ports ... depending upon the micro's protocols.

Aside from some 'housekeeping' up front like setting up the I/O bus, clock (pulse generator equivalent) and whatever other things are required by the micro's architecture , that's how you use a micro for PWM. This simple, digital approach to PWM can be implemented without a micro with the appropriate digital components and some dip switches to set the 'times' ... so now you know that I'm doing ... no need to continue that either I guess ... but I will.

[EDIT] Bob's application of his Hex controller is far more comprehensive where applied to hydrogen-oxygen cells, however ... its initial intent.

Does everyone want to become a Micro programmer ... spending money on the software, hardware and other things like that ... to say nothing of the time involved? Believe me, you buy a PIC development board for a few $ on Ebay, this is the minor expense ... watch how it snowballs $$$$.

I've been there & done that. I don't want to post any more that will encourage folks to spend money and their valuable time on 'circuit development' that leads into some 'experimental black hole'.

BTW, I wasn't referring to your videos nor to Farmhand's... they were on topic. I was referring to all of the 'singing and dancing' videos.

[cikljamas]

I'm trying to replicate, EXACTLY, the phenomenon illustrate in the video opening this thread. One very scientific approach to accomplishing that is to eliminate as many 'variables for failure' as possible and include as many 'universally acceptable constants' as possible in the experiment. This Toroidal Transformer is 'ONE MASSIVE VARIABLE' in this equation that I wanted to turn into a CONSTANT. But because of the 'off-spec' wire, that's no longer possible. That's something to (legitimately) be really upset about. As far as the PWM goes, Bob's Hex Controller pulses the transformer windings by:

opening a port on the micro, sending the appropriate 1 or 0 to turn 'on' a FET to energize a coil, count clock beats for the 'on' time and then send the appropriate complimentary value to the same port to turn 'off' the FET and then counting clock beats for the 'off' time. Then the port is 'closed', and the next coil's port is opened and the same procedure is looped (repeated) around the sequence of coils on the toroid. Or you can just leave the ports open and only address the ports ... depending upon the micro's protocols.

Aside from some 'housekeeping' up front like setting up the I/O bus, clock (pulse generator equivalent) and whatever other things are required by the micro's architecture , that's how you use a micro for PWM. This simple, digital approach to PWM can be implemented without a micro with the appropriate digital components and some dip switches to set the 'times' ... so now you know that I'm doing ... no need to continue that either I guess ... but I will.

[EDIT] Bob's application of his Hex controller is far more comprehensive where applied to hydrogen-oxygen cells, however ... its initial intent.

Does everyone want to become a Micro programmer ... spending money on the software, hardware and other things like that ... to say nothing of the time involved? Believe me, you buy a PIC development board for a few $ on Ebay, this is the minor expense ... watch how it snowballs $$$$.

I've been there & done that. I don't want to post any more that will encourage folks to spend money and their valuable time on 'circuit development' that leads into some 'experimental black hole'.

BTW, I wasn't referring to your videos nor to Farmhand's... they were on topic. I was referring to all of the 'singing and dancing' videos.

You see Bob what i meant ?

So please sing, you do not have to dance, just sing and say something
that makes sense, or you are going to leave us again to continue to live
with our suspicions and unawareness ?

And if you do not answer and when we conclude again same conclusions
that we had have to conclude too many times, than some new Bob or
some old Bob, or some new Watkykjy or some old Watkykjy will one
beautiful day in the future come by again to preach us again about love
and compassion again, did i said again ?


Sometimes With One I Love

Sometimes with one I love
I fill myself with rage for fear I effuse unreturn'd love,
But now I think there is no unreturn'd love,
the pay is certain one way or another,

(I loved a certain person ardently and my love was not return'd,
Yet out of that I have written these songs.)

So, where is love in this thread indeed ?

[7imix]

I'm trying to replicate, EXACTLY, the phenomenon illustrate in the video opening this thread. One very scientific approach to accomplishing that is to eliminate as many 'variables for failure' as possible and include as many 'universally acceptable constants' as possible in the experiment. This Toroidal Transformer is 'ONE MASSIVE VARIABLE' in this equation that I wanted to turn into a CONSTANT. But because of the 'off-spec' wire, that's no longer possible.

I understand your frustration about not being able to complete an exact replication, but I don't understand why that means you no longer want to collaborate with us.

Does everyone want to become a Micro programmer ... spending money on the software, hardware and other things like that ... to say nothing of the time involved? Believe me, you buy a PIC development board for a few $ on Ebay, this is the minor expense ... watch how it snowballs $$$$.

Yes, I do want to become a micro programmer, actually.

I don't understand what other expense there would be besides the dev board.

BTW, I wasn't referring to your videos nor to Farmhand's... they were on topic. I was referring to all of the 'singing and dancing' videos.

Oh. Haha. Well you don't have to click on them if you don't want to

[alexandre]

Agreed!

Peace
Alex

Love of mankind is the salvation for all, while love of money is what does the most destruction to mankind.

Bob Boyce

[cikljamas]

You are correct, I just found out about this thread. About the reasons that I and Watkykyj are extremely wary about helping others. For this question;



I will address this part with links that show just how real this personal threat and terrorism is.

Water is Life

and

Verichip Induced Cancer Removed From Bob BoyceŽ

After viewing these, you tell me just how do we deal with those that will stoop to these levels of attack and personal violation in order to commit theft of, or to suppress, the intellectual property of alternative energy researchers like me.

Fighting for my very life took well over a year, meanwhile I had to also defend against personal attacks upon my character launched by this individual and those he hired to help him. As well as attempts by him to file for patents and trademarks upon my intellectual property, and even my name.

Then to find out that this guy was former NSA that still has ties to the intelligence community. The pieces of the puzzle began to come together and make sense now. This was a concerted effort to shut down my research, and to kill me off in a manner that would make it look like I died from cancer instead of being murdered outright.

I have been dishonest with no-one. And money is not my primary motive for this research in the first place. But if I publish more information, then the same sort of people that tried to kill me over my already disclosed hydroxy gas technology would try to kill me over this battery charging technology. Kill me off, then claim ownership of the intellectual property so they could profit solely from it, or lock it away under some secrecy order, while threatening and killing others that dare work on it and talk about it.

As long as people keep thinking that it's as simple as just using PICs or other sorts of pulse generators to pulse coils, then they will continue to keep missing the boat. And I am in no position at this time to show them where they are going wrong. I keep referring people to study the non-hertzian works of Nikola Tesla, and people keep coming right back to the same old hertzian electromagnetic technologies that do not work on the same principles. If I told you what to tune for, then I would also be telling those that want to do me physical harm what to tune for.

By the way, the Tesla "phase converter" toroid is not the same as mine. His is electromagnetic, mine is not. The differences should be quite obvious. A round Faraday cage with a steel clampling bolt through the middle of the core is an electromagnetic dead short. That in and of itself should be a clue that electromagnetic induction is not being used in my design.

Love of mankind is the salvation for all, while love of money is what does the most destruction to mankind.

Bob Boyce

Oh my oh my, i believe you Bob, i am right now in hurry, i will study
this post of you in a few hours when i come back home, but what i just
read is so sad and shocking that i just have to say : God help us !!!

And yesterday i saw on croatian tv how MI 6/ MI 5 try to destroy one of our
generals because of his disclosing english tries to stop Croatia to join
European Union, and they are trying to destroy some other our
generals just to achieve they political goals in this part of the world,
whole country is slave of english queen, so i am not surprised if one
individual like you is under attack for other reasons...Horrible but very,
very realistic, despite many guys who are maybe going to doubt most
of your claims...

Later !