This is it !

[gmeast]

hate?

It's possible, but not very likely, that it was me that responded to you regarding the group. I personally responded to very few, usually only those that appealed to me personally to intervene between themselves and the moderator. Day to day operation of that group has been and continues to be managed by the moderator. I own the group but I do not run the group.

Irregardless, whether it was me or the moderator, we had a legal obligation to comply with the cease and desist notice, and were ordered to do so by the copyright and trademark enforcement division of Yahoo! Non-compliance would have resulted in the deletion of the entire group. Why can't you understand that? Most members that were removed there rejoined after their temporary bans were lifted.

Oh well, I'm sure there are former members that still hate me. I've been hated by far worst. I still wish you much success in your endeavors.

Bob Boyce

"Hate"? Who used the word "hate"? I respect and admire all you have done in and for the Hydroxy community ... now. At the time I didn't even know who 'Bob Boyce' was. I had never heard nor seen your name before your PM to me.

Strange thing is, I have absolutely no interest in hydroxy. My focus is ONLY on replicating the charging effect shown in the (now famous) watkykjy1 videos that opened this thread. I wish to replicate it but without the micro, and I think it can be done.

Too bad it ended this way.

[7imix]

Bob, I understand your reluctance to share information and understand the fear that comes from suppression. Love is a more powerful force than fear and will win out in the end. I wish you would release more information but I respect your decision not to.

I think it would be useful to look at the model of wikileaks and open source development to see how to deal with suppression. Perhaps someday there will be an anonymous whistleblower willing to spill enough details on a working device, or perhaps some day the open source community will collectively understand tesla well enough that we uncover the secret ourselves.

I look forward to that day.

[cikljamas]

You are correct, I just found out about this thread. About the reasons that I and Watkykyj are extremely wary about helping others. For this question;

I decided to stay home tonight and rather continue this conversation...
Ok, but there is another question : Why Watkykjy showed his video
in the first place if he had known he was not being able to participate in
later development regarding questions that electronic community
have posted ? Answer is maybe : He had not known what was going
to happen to him until threats occurred ? Now we could ask : was
he that naive ?, or How come nobody threatened Mr. Bedini ?
The answer is maybe : Bedini did not make OU stuffs ! Well, i must
admit that i can not clue what is real and what is not...But it does
not mean that i do not believe you, i believe you very much...

m]Verichip Induced Cancer Removed From Bob Boyce®[/url]

After viewing these, you tell me just how do we deal with those that will stoop to these levels of attack and personal violation in order to commit theft of, or to suppress, the intellectual property of alternative energy researchers like me.

Americans, defend your right to possess and carry your personal weapons !
How in the world happened that anyone kidnap you, carry out surgery on
you and release you and all that without leaving any trace in your memory
or some kind of hole in your everyday schedule that should have open some
questions before you found out about cancer development in your shoulder ?

Fighting for my very life took well over a year, meanwhile I had to also defend against personal attacks upon my character launched by this individual and those he hired to help him. As well as attempts by him to file for patents and trademarks upon my intellectual property, and even my name.

Then to find out that this guy was former NSA that still has ties to the intelligence community. The pieces of the puzzle began to come together and make sense now. This was a concerted effort to shut down my research, and to kill me off in a manner that would make it look like I died from cancer instead of being murdered outright.

Thanks God, that bastards were not successful in their efforts to kill you...
When normal person read this it seems so horrible, but we forgot that
these guys murder hundreds/thousand of innocent people every day,
so one Bob less, no big deal...

I have been dishonest with no-one. And money is not my primary motive for this research in the first place. But if I publish more information, then the same sort of people that tried to kill me over my already disclosed hydroxy gas technology would try to kill me over this battery charging technology. Kill me off, then claim ownership of the intellectual property so they could profit solely from it, or lock it away under some secrecy order, while threatening and killing others that dare work on it and talk about it.

and killing others that dare work on it and talk about it ???
Well, we talk about it...
Bob, you should consider yourself as a dead man who have been risen
from the grave, i would expect of you now to be furious and to reveal
everything you know instead of being frightened of possible future attack
that could come from the same guys...

As long as people keep thinking that it's as simple as just using PICs or other sorts of pulse generators to pulse coils, then they will continue to keep missing the boat. And I am in no position at this time to show them where they are going wrong. I keep referring people to study the non-hertzian works of Nikola Tesla, and people keep coming right back to the same old hertzian electromagnetic technologies that do not work on the same principles. If I told you what to tune for, then I would also be telling those that want to do me physical harm what to tune for.

This part is the problem for my brains ...If you told us what to tune for,
you would also be telling those that want to do you physical harm wht to
tune for ???
Who cares ?
Tell them too, do the same thing as you did in HHO area, tell us, and
@#$k them...

Love of mankind is the salvation for all, while love of money is what does the most destruction to mankind.

Bob Boyce

Ok, that is the truth, but humanity gain no profit by repeating this well
known truths, humanity could gain some profit by sharing important
informations all over internet community right now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Because, tomorrow is not guaranteed to no one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And you are the first one who should be aware of this fact, aint you ???

Cheers !

[gmeast]

non-hertzian

I understand your frustration about not being able to complete an exact replication, but I don't understand why that means you no longer want to collaborate with us.



Yes, I do want to become a micro programmer, actually.

I don't understand what other expense there would be besides the dev board.



Oh. Haha. .................................................. ..........

What Bob recently said simply verifies what we have been concluding collectively ... that is, that this a very complex waveform and in fact is NOT any waveform at all. Also what Bob says about 'caging' the toroid and detecting induction outside the cage proves operation based on longitudinal and not electromagnetic energy flow. When you look at Watkykjy's first video (the original preceding the 1-4 videos), you can see 'waveforms of sorts', but NOT what you'd call a conventional electromagnetic waveform, and likely NOT a picture of longitudinal energy flow but rather, and perhaps a 'reflection' of longitudinal energy flow like Don Smith would probably say. It's kind of like the wind ... you cannot see the wind, but you can see effects of the wind ... tree tops bending, dust being swept up, old ladies with umbrellas being carried around overhead, etc.

We've already concluded, here in this thread, that it's NOT just a matter of pulsing a coil, so that didn't need saying. So I'll keep on with my PWM, and just to drop a little more, ('cause I haven't settled on the final, final components), I'm making 'pulse' modules that cascade together, each with its own settings for 'on' and 'off'. Three cascaded into a 'circle' ... either free-running or synchronized to a common clock ... triggering the succeeding module, pulsing the three primaries on the toroid (or more than three ... four phase, five phase, six phase even). In this way, you will not run out of clock cycles as you add phases like you would run out with a micro (unless it's running at a couple of GHz). I will guess it will be possible to see the effect(s) (reflections) on the open secondary.

On the other hand, using a Micro may probably be the most convenient way to tune for a non-hertzian result ... non-electromagnetic, non-geometric, non-harmonic and probably other non- 'this and that' also.

I think this is the processor used on the Hex Controller:
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...ging/2545S.pdf

So I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing. And if it works out, maybe people will buy some of these modules from me, but I'll post the final schematics and parts list anyway. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I've pulsed two primaries on the toroid (not 180 deg out) and got a similar scope trace as seen in Watkykjy first video but a third coil seems to be a minimum requirement (three-phase).

A spark gap has a very non-hertzian signature doesn't it? ... (I'm asking ... not telling) ... doesn't it?

If Bob can't help us see or suggest what to tune for, well that's fine, he's not to blame I concede. But it is there somewhere and we'll find it.

[Farmhand]

Hello Bob, How are you. I am breaking my own word to repost in this thread which is something I do not usually do when I have made a decision in earnest. But I will do it to address you. Firstly I wish you improved health. And best wishes for the future.

I'm not sure if I "should" be offended by this statement or not, I can assure you I am not. I live in an environment where I can use my spark gap all day long the goats don't complain or give me fines, and I consider myself to live in a very civilised place, where common sense is the rule. Fancy words and trimmings are not needed here. Commutators are used very commonly in many places.

Bob Said

By the way, spark gaps and commutators are great, as long as you live in a stone age environment. But the new reality is, most of us live in a very complex electromagnetic environment, where EMI/RFI will get you hated by all around you as you destroy their ability to use radio/television/cellphone devices or even computers. Nikola Tesla did not have to worry about those issues, and he had no FCC or similar governmental agency around in those days to give him heavy fines for sending out large amounts of this sort of interference.

You said you only just learned of this thread. Then I take you and this Watkykjy guy don't get along any more because he was aware of this thread almost immediately.

....

I have read the relevent patent document, and I see Nikola has alluded to how to tune his polyphase transformer to produce only EM. And I think the bad guys already know what to tune for and have for quite a while, maybe thier efforts toward you are to keep you from spreading info about what they already have. But they don't own the forces of nature that allow these things to happen either. Nikola's patents quite often cover a wide variation in his designs, by the nature of the wording, I'm not a patent lawer myself, but I can read.

As long as people keep thinking that it's as simple as just using PICs or other sorts of pulse generators to pulse coils, then they will continue to keep missing the boat. And I am in no position at this time to show them where they are going wrong. I keep referring people to study the non-hertzian works of Nikola Tesla, and people keep coming right back to the same old hertzian electromagnetic technologies that do not work on the same principles. If I told you what to tune for, then I would also be telling those that want to do me physical harm what to tune for.

To be brutally honest I don't see too many fundamental differences to the design and construction of a Tesla polyphase tranformer/converter and your own device. But I will concede, you have every right in this money hungry world to patent your own work, and we all need to eat and have shelter. I see no harm in anybody patenting thier way of doing anything. That does mean however that people should be given the information to be able to replicate and attempt to improve upon the method. And it does not mean that there is only one way to do things.

By the way, the Tesla "phase converter" toroid is not the same as mine. His is electromagnetic, mine is not. The differences should be quite obvious. A round Faraday cage with a steel clampling bolt through the middle of the core is an electromagnetic dead short. That in and of itself should be a clue that electromagnetic induction is not being used in my design.

I sincerely hope that I have not said anything to offend you anywhere in this thread, I will say however that common sense should tell most people that anything anyone says at any time is thier opinion and thats it. We are all free to our opinions, and others should accept that people should be able to state thier opinion as they see it. I don't think anyone can catagorically say they know everthing and nobody else can think for themselves. I don't buy into that. I think for myself. And will continue to do so.

Best regards to you. and best wishes for the future.

Farmhand

[Farmhand]

Greg I fully understand that you are keen for a close replication, and that your time is precious especially in these difficult time's, But we must keep things in perspective.

There are people still on this planet whose children are being blown to pieces, in the misguided aggression of wars. I am saddened daily that these things are too often overlooked in favor of, I this or you that self centered/serving type thing. cikljamas has first hand experience of the horror and grief that can be inflicted by so called "men" against the innocent. And I know also that these things could very well have touched you aswell either directly or indirectly.


Not trying to say how you feel or anything, I just though I should state how I see it. I honestly bear no i'll will toward any good person. I see no reason why I should. I am not so concerned with intracacies or such as i am with making usefull devices I can show others how to build. I hope you don't feel bad of me for wanting to remove myself from this controversy and work on something I can say is not "protected" by a living man.

Later

[gmeast]

Blame?

I guess it's also my fault that Apex Jr has sold slightly thicker insulation wire to Hydrogen Garage and others? I might as well be blamed for that too, as I seem to get blamed for everything else that others do or fail to do.

I measured some of that wire 2 weeks ago, and the outside diameter was only .001" larger than the measured .080" wire that I had bought from Apex Jr a few years ago. As far as the inner conductor size, I did not bother to check it, as it's not that important. The wire guage was chosen to get the number of turns into the target turns range on the 650-52 core, not because of a need for current carrying capacity.

A nice fellow dropped by for help with his toroid. It turned out that he was unable to get more than 129 turns with the new wire he had bought direct from Apex Jr. With some winding coaching from me, I helped him to get it up to 133 turns by making sure he wrapped the turns very tightly together with absolutely zero gap between turns in the center. He still used the same .080" spacers and it turned out very well.
.................................................. ...........................
Bob Boyce

I guess it's also my fault that Apex Jr has sold slightly thicker insulation wire to Hydrogen Garage and others? I might as well be blamed for that too, as I seem to get blamed for everything else that others do or fail to do.

How in the world could you even sarcastically say that? It makes no sense.

The wire I was sold measures 0.089" by vernier caliper, digital caliper and 0"-1" micrometer. If you look at my wind job (pictures posted here), you'll see that not one more turn could fit in the bore diameter. AND the bare wire DID mic more than 0.001" under the minimum spec.

Nothing I could do or not do alters the physical dimensions of the wire or the toroid. I suppose if I wrapped it tight enough to exceed the yield strength of the wire, I could 'draw' it out as I wrapped it, then it would be a little smaller in diameter.

Anyway, I just met another milestone with my circuit by cutting the part count ... yippeeee!

[cikljamas]

Farmhand, thanks for your come back...

Oh boy (not Boyce), how i love this song and this singer :
YouTube - TOM JONES - I'm Coming Home

I just saw on discovery science channel documentary about AIR CAR,
that thing is made, finished, on the wheels, some french guys made
it and that thing is pure perpetual motion so to speak, and no one
threatened this guys, no one tried to kill them...

And comparing with this AIR CAR Watkykjy stuff is peace of cake !

So, now i just have to say something in Teslas native tongue :

OVDE SE NEŠTO ČUDNO DEŠAVA ŠTO JA NAPROSTO NE RAZUMEM !!!

translation : Something strange is going on here that i just do not
understand !!!

Something very, very strange...But i tell you this : Time is the best judge !

Someone can lie few people for long period of time, someone can lie
great number of people for some time, but no one can lie great number of
people for long time...

Good health and clear mind to everyone !

[gmeast]

air car

Farmhand, thanks for your come back...

Oh boy (not Boyce), how i love this song and this singer :
YouTube - TOM JONES - I'm Coming Home

I just saw on discovery science channel documentary about AIR CAR,
that thing is made, finished, on the wheels, some french guys made
it and that thing is pure perpetual motion so to speak, and no one
threatened this guys, no one tried to kill them...

And comparing with this AIR CAR Watkykjy stuff is peace of cake !

So, now i just have to say something in Teslas native tongue :

OVDE SE NEŠTO ČUDNO DEŠAVA ŠTO JA NAPROSTO NE RAZUMEM !!!

translation : Something strange is going on here that i just do not
understand !!!

Something very, very strange...But i tell you this : Time is the best judge !

Someone can lie few people for long period of time, someone can lie
great number of people for some time, but no one can lie great number of
people for long time...

Good health and clear mind to everyone !

I'm a little surprised that the editors for the Discovery Channel didn't edit out the "perpetual motion" part of the narrative. I'm sure they have engineering consultants that should have caught the error. It's akin to: "Having a battery running an electric motor that's running a generator to recharge the battery ..."

Even if the battery conversion is 98% efficient, the motor is 98% efficient, the generator is 98% efficient and the charging circuit is 98% efficient that will still give you only 92% (.98^4).

[cikljamas]

I'm a little surprised that the editors for the Discovery Channel didn't edit out the "perpetual motion" part of the narrative. I'm sure they have engineering consultants that should have caught the error. It's akin to: "Have a battery runing an electric motor that's running a generator to recharge the battery ..."

Even if the battery conversion is 98% efficient, the motor is 98% efficient, the generator is 98% efficient and the charging circuit is 98% efficient that will still give you only 92% (.98^4).

Greg you read my minds, i just saw on the youtube the same documentary
that i saw on TV few hours ago, and i noticed what i misunderstood :
I misunderstood last one or two sentences from that documentary as
something which is already composed right now, that last step unfortunately
has not made so far, but it is just matter of time...

But even without this last step it is quite enough good stuff to be proud of
it (guys who made it) and to be happy with possessing this ALMOST (just
for now) perpetual motion vehicle !

See this documentary by yourself :
YouTube - A car that runs 200 miles on compressed air.

Cheers !

[gmeast]

air car

Greg you read my minds, i just saw on the youtube the same documentary
that i saw on TV few hours ago, and i noticed what i misunderstood :
I misunderstood last one or two sentences from that documentary as
something which is already composed right now, that last step unfortunately
has not made so far, but it is just matter of time...

But even without this last step it is quite enough good stuff to be proud of
it (guys who made it) and to be happy with possessing this ALMOST (just
for now) perpetual motion vehicle !

See this documentary by yourself :
YouTube - A car that runs 200 miles on compressed air.

Cheers !

The thing the air car has going for it is that for the amount of energy stored, the weight of the pressure tank is lighter than any battery could deliver for ITS weight ... even lithium Ion batteries. The other plus is that material science can continue to provide even stronger materials like nano carbon fibers for 'super high pressure' tanks and even liquified air tanks. And we all know that battery technology and implementation on the levels addressing automotive needs has move at a 'snail's pace' The technology to generate super high pressure efficiently is already here but not quite commonplace ... 30,000psi - 75,000psi. All types of conventional power technologies can power the systems that turn the compressors. You can run the compressors on solar, gasoline, diesel, water wheel, hydro, wind. And if the mileage quote is accurate, the air car can bridge the gap between the desirable driving range of diesel and gas powered cars and the crappy, unacceptable driving range of present-day all-electrics. There would be, however, a fairly massive build up and distribution of compressor systems to service the air car ... oooohhhh! ...

Quick! ... invest in Ingersoll Rand Company-Heavy Industrial Machinery-Compressor Division (I'm only guessing at the division breakdown).

But then again, the Zinc-Air Battery (Zinc-Air Fuel Cell) gave matching capacity per volume-weight to that of gasoline & diesel ... so where's THAT technology. I was getting a hard-on for that techo' a decade ago ... and still nothing.

I smell a rat

[sucahyo]

I am glad to know that you are well Bob . Thanks for sharing more information to us .

About dead short, a friend mention 1V accros 1 inch copper bar. I guess that is what you mean.

If you don't wish to share the use of your toroid for free energy. Do you wish to research your toroid use for health? I think you can make yourself as experiment object. Some people get a healing, and I think your hex controller would be able to go to MHz.

If you still have headache, hard to sleep, cold feet, rashes, crawling stomach, please consider radiant sleeping aid. I am sure that you can use your hex controller as sleeping aid. I might call it sleeping aid, but I use it for anything else too.

I consider it important since every successfull "OU" device, always accompanied with some health effect, good or bad. Joe Cell, the hull effect, Ferris Wheel, SEC exciter, etc. Not remember any health effect from hex controller, maybe you can supply it?

If sitting near hex controller can get you a headache then I consider your hex controller to be a contributing factor for your cancer. But I highly believe you could research a way to revert the effect.

[gmeast]

gate combination

Hi,

Is anyone out there any good with logic gates and gate combinations?

I have 2 inputs S & R and a need to set a latch on S=0 & R=doesn't matter. Then when S=1 and R=1 the output is 1. Then when S=1 and R=0, the latch is reset and we wait for S=0 again. Now after S=1 and R=0 (the reset condition) S will always = 1 and R will periodically change state from R=1 to R=0 and the only next S state change is S=0 (the set condition again). And there is an invalid state for S and R as well and may be a useful condition for analysis. When S=0, R can never=1 because they are synch'd to the clock. So: when S=0 then R<>1 ... ever. But if you feel it should NOT be ignored then if anything the output should be 0 ... so: 'if' S=0 and R=1 then Output=0.
[EDIT]So the correct way to stat the invalid condition would be when S=0 and R=1. There.

Here are two pictures with the clock slowed way down so I can watch the clock via LEDs. The green trace is S and the yellow trace is R:
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...ing/clock1.JPG
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radian...ing/clock2.JPG

I ended up with a truth table that was really too complex. This should have a simple solution set ... seems to me.

Thanks in advance if you choose to help me. Later

[gmeast]

.................................................. .................................................. ........................................ I had been charging batteries for a couple of years already with prototype units, but I had not made any videos of the process. I really did not forsee the intense demand for more information that those videos would generate. Nor did I realize that it would set in motion the plan to try to silence me.

I am furious over what was done to me. Not only have I shared intimate details of my design to others to release upon my death, but I have also shared intimate details of the classified research that I did for the US government. As I see it now, they breached the contract of my security clearance by trying to kill me with an induced cancer.

Bob Boyce

Yeah, well no one in this thread is trying to silence you, and we are all just as furious over what was done to you. Quite frankly, despite the content of the discourse the last few days here, it's still good to have you chime in ... even if it's to say:

"... and I'm still not going to help you guys ..."

So thanks anyway, and I'm glad your health is returning ... and I never used the word "hate".

[Farmhand]

Hello Bob and all, Thank's for your understanding about this, your input here is very welcome, I value very much all the little insights I get from all. I agree about the emissions, that make's complete sense. It is one of the reasons I like so much the idea of the Toroid being easily shieldable. I like to play with a bit of wireless lighting for sure and I could mess about with a spark gap all day. But these things may not run my other appliances so well.

I am very new to all this so I take what I can learn, from where I can learn it.
I originally started searching the net to learn how to wire up my new solar panels about two years ago. I'm a fast learner when i'm interested in something.

I probably have a million questions I would like to ask you but. I am just very glad with the info you have already provided. I'm sure there is much more I should learn for myself rather than bombard you with questions you most likely have answered many time's before.

So for now i just say, thank you very much.

Oh one thing Bob am I doomed to fail in my toroid winding ? I am concerned because I can't do it without breaking rule three of the "hand winding rule's" in the winding guide. I don't have any beer. Will home made whiskey do for a substitute ?