This is it !

[cikljamas]

Hi cycleman,
Have you even read what I recently posted in reply to a 7imix post? In that I have given a 'verbal' functional diagram of what I think will be a way of doing it without the micro. I have also asked for some help with a logic gate challenge that can help me reduce the 'part count' ... but there's no offers on that ... I guess there are actually almost no participants left in this group now and/or no one knows anything about logic gates ... obviously I don't know enough ... wish I knew more.

Hi Greg !

Your last sentence from your last posted post in reply to a 7imix post is
this :

If Bob can't help us see or suggest what to tune for, well that's fine, he's not to blame I concede. But it is there somewhere and we'll find it.

Then Bob answered you this :

Correct, it is the longitudinal component that we seek. And you are also correct in that it is a perturbation in the EM that we can see as minute induced waveforms to indicate that which we cannot observe directly on a scope.

We create a path to allow that longitudinal energy to flow to a battery or a capacitor so that it can be converted into usable transverse energy. A meter in line with the battery will not indicate the longitudinal current flow, only the transverse, but the battery or capacitor will still charge.

I did develop a meter that can detect longitudinal energy, it comes in really handy for tuning.

Then you answered me this :

Great progress has recently been made here, not on the technical level, but on the intellectual and spiritual level. Bob's appearance and participation in this thread has 'cleared the air' (as far as I'm concerned). Also it is most beneficial to have 'everyone on board' in some capacity. And that is what we now have. It is the substance of this thread's 'recent progress'.

I am very grateful to you who were made possible that this thread comes
to this level, without you this thread would have been dead by now, and
now i am very grateful to Bob who made this thread more vivid than ever,
but despite all this i must underline this words of yours :

Great progress has recently been made here, not on the technical level, but on the intellectual and spiritual level. Bob's appearance and participation in this thread has 'cleared the air' (as far as I'm concerned).

I was so amazed yesterday listening new released video interview with
Stan Mayers, i was amazed listening about his spiritual background, and spiritual perspective that he exposed in that interview as the main motive and main goal of his H2O engine project...So amazed, now i can see how great man he was...people think that man who refuses to accept 1000 000 000 $ as he did , must be lunatic or saint...

I thought that Tesla was lunatic too because of his tearing apart his contract with Westinghouse in front of his (Westinghouse) eyes, because with this act he immobilised himself to give people what he wanted to give them since from that point of time he become again dependent on the charity of J.P.Morgan and guys like him as he was in his earliest american days (Edison)...
But despite all this i consider Tesla and Mayers as a pure, genuine saints !!!

So, i very much admire words like SPIRITUAL, INTELLECTUAL etc., and
i explained in lot of my posts before why is that so, and that is why i
was so amazed listening yesterday Mayers words, but this words sometimes
could be the reason for worry too, since they could indicate luck of some
practical dimension that is necessary to make things to work in reality...

Now i can only hope that these words of yours not on the technical level, but on the intellectual and spiritual levelare
not going to be the reason for my future disappointment but reason for
my future joy and happiness !

And i hope that these words of yours

In that I have given a 'verbal' functional diagram of what I think will be a way of doing it without the micro.

are going to be the reason
of joy and happiness one day when we realise that words I think will beturns out as words which could have be written with all
good practicaly founded reasons also like this :
I am sure will be...

Ok, i am not paranoid, i am not in some lunatic hurry, i just saw too many
MAYBE, SOME DAY, I HOPE, LETS HOPE, WE WILL, WE COULD etc..., and
now that Bob is with us i would like at least to smell some light at the end
of that tunnel, but i am not sure that i smell something like that...

No, i am talking again like i do not want to talk, NO , i do not want to smell
anything, would like to see some promising schematic, for example, is that
too much ???

Or we can continue to hope, it is possible solution too, but like this we have
situation when we use words like SPIRITUAL in wrong context !!!

Mayers made stuff, he was standing in front of that H2O stuff giving the
interview, and talking about SPIRITUAL reasons, perspective etc...

That is the manner i would like to see 20 years after Mayers gave his
interview, and more than 100 years after Tesla made OU stuffs !!!

So concerning this years nobody could call me inpatient guy, because
those who would call me by that name are those who we fight against,
and that is how i could disclose and recognize them !

So, lets hope again !

Cheers !

[gmeast]

pulsing

Hi Greg !

Your last sentence from your last posted post in reply to a 7imix post is
this:

If Bob can't help us see or suggest what to tune for, well that's fine, he's not to blame I concede. But it is there somewhere and we'll find it;

Yes, it is from that post that ended in the above quote, and below is the part about what I'm working on.

What Bob recently said simply verifies what we have been concluding collectively ... that is, that this a very complex waveform and in fact is NOT any waveform at all. Also what Bob says about 'caging' the toroid and detecting induction outside the cage proves operation based on longitudinal and not electromagnetic energy flow. When you look at Watkykjy's first video (the original preceding the 1-4 videos), you can see 'waveforms of sorts', but NOT what you'd call a conventional electromagnetic waveform, and likely NOT a picture of longitudinal energy flow but rather, and perhaps a 'reflection' of longitudinal energy flow like Don Smith would probably say. It's kind of like the wind ... you cannot see the wind, but you can see effects of the wind ... tree tops bending, dust being swept up, old ladies with umbrellas being carried around overhead, etc.

We've already concluded, here in this thread, that it's NOT just a matter of pulsing a coil, so that didn't need saying. So I'll keep on with my PWM, and just to drop a little more, ('cause I haven't settled on the final, final components), I'm making 'pulse' modules that cascade together, each with its own settings for 'on' and 'off'. Three cascaded into a 'circle' ... either free-running or synchronized to a common clock ... triggering the succeeding module, pulsing the three primaries on the toroid (or more than three ... four phase, five phase, six phase even). In this way, you will not run out of clock cycles as you add phases like you would run out with a micro (unless it's running at a couple of GHz). I will guess it will be possible to see the effect(s) (reflections) on the open secondary.

On the other hand, using a Micro may probably be the most convenient way to tune for a non-hertzian result ... non-electromagnetic, non-geometric, non-harmonic and probably other non- 'this and that' also. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .........

Later

[cikljamas]

Greg, since your perspective of these longitudinal theory is getting wider
thanks to Bobs confirmations of your presumptions could you obtain
some theoretical or even maybe practical directions (links, schematics,
etc.) which we who knows much less then you and Bob could use as
kind of introductory mean to begin to try to walk along with you and Bob
on that longitudinal path ?

Cheers !

[gmeast]

longitudinal

Greg, since your perspective of these longitudinal theory is getting wider
thanks to Bobs confirmations of your presumptions could you obtain
some theoretical or even maybe practical directions (links, schematics,
etc.) which we who knows much less then you and Bob could use as
kind of introductory mean to begin to try to walk along with you and Bob
on that longitudinal path ?

Cheers !

Hi cycleman,

Bob has, by far, the most extensive, contemporary 'working knowledge' of this energy species (I call it that because it is its own, specific energy type ... maybe alive ... dunno). He knows so much about it to characterize it enough to have developed a meter to detect it ... which would be nice to have, incidentally.

I am relatively new to this concept but it has 'clicked' with me. I have, many times, observed unexpected bursts of energy seemingly unassociated with the 'tinkering' I was doing at the time. Now in retrospect I recall what I thought were unwanted, uncorrelated patterns in scope traces but, as I now know, were actually a manifestation of what we're looking for now. Who would have thunk I was looking at this stuff 2 decades ago and was too stupid to see it ... huh?

I think 'most things Tesla' is the best source because his devices that implement the spark gap, generate the non-hertzian perturbations to either leverage in, coax in or allow in the longitudinal energy and waves (why are we using the term "waves" along with 'longitudinal' energy ... is it a wave, wave-like, are there wave properties? "WAVE" implies 'periodicity' and there's NONE of that in a non-hertzian perturbation ... again, dunno for sure).

Until I have the hardware working that does what the Hex controller does to the toroid, I'll be as 'in the dark' as the rest. All I can do is post my progress and when I get things running I hope Bob will chime in and say something like "getting warmer", or "bingo!" ... whatever.

I'm glad he's not shunning our thread.

Later

[gmeast]

yes or no

Hi all,

I guess this is directed at Bob. I was wondering if you could give us a "yes" or "no" to something ... and maybe a little more?

I have referred to this video before and will do it again here. It is the first video watkykjy posted before he made the more polished 1-4 videos.

This video here:
YouTube - OU Charging effect of the hex controller

In that video watkykjy pans his camera from the controller board down to the scope that shows, I believe, two traces ... one being (a) gate signal and another being (maybe) the respective MOSFET drain (you can see those hookups on the board). The second trace is a real jumble, but you can discern three 'patterns' that emerge from the trace (if you freeze it and stare long enough) ... perhaps from all three MOSFETS pulses-reactions in the toroid.

My question: Is that trace a 'signature' trace and should we be tuning for something similar (since we don't have one of your meters)? I assume that the trace is just a manifestation of something else that's actually several orders removed that can't be seen on a scope.

Ok, well there ya go. Await. Thanks. Later

[7imix]

I think 'most things Tesla' is the best source because his devices that implement the spark gap, generate the non-hertzian perturbations to either leverage in, coax in or allow in the longitudinal energy and waves (why are we using the term "waves" along with 'longitudinal' energy ... is it a wave, wave-like, are there wave properties? "WAVE" implies 'periodicity' and there's NONE of that in a non-hertzian perturbation ... again, dunno for sure).

They are still waves, they are just along a different dimension than transverse hertzian waves.

Visualize a light bulb as your point source of radiation and the light which streams in all directions from it. The light waves have longitudinal motion -- in a straight line from the center point to an imaginary sphere outside it. They also have transverse motion -- or phase quadrature (at a 90 degree angle) to the longitudinal ray.

Now visualize a spherical speaker as your point source of radiation. The sound waves generated are compression waves in the medium of the air. They have a longitudinal outward motion as well as a longitudinal variation over time (the pressure gets harder or softer). They have no transverse component.

The termination of a tesla coil is like a speaker for pressure waves in voltage instead of pressure waves in air. You can even experience this for yourself by building a stingo and tuning it to an audible frequency -- the coil (or transistors, or capacitors, I haven't figured out exactly which yet) will literally sing the frequency you are impulsing it. As this gets up into the way above audible frequencies like the tens of kilohertz or into the mhz range the singing can't be heard any more.

This is all just from my research and intuition though, your opinion may vary(tm)

Does anybody know if a radio frequency transmitter broadcasts a signal in the audible frequencies if it is possible to hear it?

As far as a longitudinal energy detector, in one of his videos Eric Dollard shows how to make one out of a photo multiplier vacuum tube. A multimeter with the ability to detect e fields might be useful for seeing secondary effects of longitudinal waves, I think...

[7imix]

Thanks Bob for your explanation of longitudinal energy. I wrote my post at the same time you were writing yours, so I didn't benefit from your understanding yet

So you are saying longitudinal energy is represented by the static potential field, and only when it is modulated can it be detected and harnessed. In my post I am just talking about what you call longitudinal modulated energy...

Makes total sense since a tesla coil drives a high potential into a point (the termination) at high frequencies with short duration, building up such a large potential field that a corona and lightning discharge can form... Another effect besides air discharge is a voltage pressure wave, longitudinal modulated energy at a certain frequency.

What would happen if we took a sensitive e field meter and hooked it up to an oscilloscope?

[Farmhand]

Thanks Bob, Kind of what I suspected lower frequency I am guessing that a generator/converter setup like that could be run at 50/60Hz and the output would be usefull. You are right, the differences between Tesla's Toroid and your's are obvious to me now. Thanks for the handy tips.

I figure I will learn a lot if I try to build it even if i'm not successful. I suspected there was efficiency in the pure way that Tesla designed that. Seems to me that if I was to put together something in a similar configuration, I could discover a lot for myself as the best understanding come's from seeing for me.

I can make some annular core's from iron rod/steel or similar and wind them appropriately. I would like to use an exsiting motor for the generator if possible or part thereof, so I was mostly interested in the converter. Anyway so I need to hunt down some motors to play with. Of course there are many uses for a spinning shaft. Especially if it doesn't mind spinning all day.

I rarely believe people when they try to tell me somthing is not possible or that I can't do something. Some things that may look stone age in some places, fit right in on a farm. ( I honestly wasn't offended by your stone age comment, I know it wasn't directed at me, or meant in any way to be defamatory).

I need to get to some shed sale's to see if I can find some good old motors to buy.

Thanks again for the tips Bob. Much appreciated.

Cheers

[cikljamas]

Until I have the hardware working that does what the Hex controller does to the toroid, I'll be as 'in the dark' as the rest. All I can do is post my progress and when I get things running I hope Bob will chime in and say something like "getting warmer", or "bingo!" ... whatever.

I'm glad he's not shunning our thread.

Later

And when and if you got things running would the world has the opportunity
to benefit from this discovery and if the answer is yes than i would like to
know what is the difference between You and Bob , or You and Watkykjy ?

Are you just more brave than them, or we should suppose that they also
had been thinking once upon a time, the same way as you think now but
after problems with NSA, CIA, FBI, MI6, MI5, HITLER, ETC...occurred they
just gave up from fighting against big, strong guys whose slaves we
still have to be ???

This circle has to stop, but there is not too much guys like Stan Mayers
was, and those who dare to be like Tesla, Gray and Stan will be stopped
one way or another...

And i think that is easier to do, because of silent majority...

Here in Croatia i am always saying that it is the shame to be silent when
corrupted guys on high political levels destroys common goods for their
private benefits, and now after so much examples our last prime minister
is in jail in Austria, after he tried to flee to USA, but this case will not
resolve corruption and bad economical situation in which we are now...

Similar situation is in Italy with Berlusconi, and lot of other countrys, but
when you see how silent majority just watch how bad guys murder guys like
Stan Mayers, or try to murder guys like Bob Boyce, and do nothing about that,
that is especially sad and tragic scene which compromise everything that has
left good in our souls, in our hearts, in our minds, in our humanity...

If you turn around, and see how all these OU stories ended up what makes
you certain or at least optimistic that the possible results that this thread
could generate would ever be brought to the day light ?

Watkykjy said what he said, lets remind us what he said :

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Hi Guys,

This was my work, and yes it's based on Bob Boyce's toroid, and it wasn't only an effect I got, as I was using for about a year to charge the battery of my little girl's toy car, and when she finished riding it during the day, I would connect it up again at night to charge, so the effect of volts times amps was confirmed time and again.

Unfortunately I cannot and will not say anything more on the subject due to previous suppression threats, so don't expect any more from me on this, but if you take the time to REALLY study what bob is doing in his toroid, etc, then you will see that it can indeed go >100% effeciency, and that it's really worthwhile in terms of renewable energy.

Peace friends!

What to say after that ?
So, when we see that it can indeed go > 100 % efficiency what then ?

I do not believe that this is really happening, what kind of beings we are ?

Are we people ? Human beings ? Just unbelievable ! UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[7imix]

Would a langmuir probe help us to detect non-modulated le? Instead of the LE needing to be modulated already to measure it, we could modulate the measuring device and note it's reaction to the environment...

Of course langmuir probes are very expensive but perhaps the patents are expired and detailed enough to allow an open source reverse engineering of the technique for relatively cheap...

I want to build a langmuir probe anyway to measure plasmas generated by spark gaps, plasma is fun

[7imix]

cikljamas I really admire your enthusiasm but rome wasn't built in a day. We will get there. In the meantime it is going to take courage and persistence. We have to pace ourselves, bring ourselves into balance with nature and let her unfold the mysteries to us. This is why this information simply cannot be suppressed; it is built in to the very fabric of the universe. Given enough years someone is eventually going to notice that a part of reality we didn't notice before is there. The only reason we didn't notice it before is because of lack of instruments. In this day and age, if "they" can't measure it, they don't believe it.

So relax take a break. Breathe. Go for a walk. Use the stingo sleeping aid. Maybe even take up meditating. Try to remember what wonderful things are happening right now -- Bob himself showed up to help us with our thread!! -- and try not to focus so much on the suppression. Polarization is a tactic of suppression too -- if people spend all their time fighting against war, they are not spending that time working for peace for themselves.

I thank you my brother for starting this thread. I know it's easy to be discouraged sometimes but being impatient won't help anything -- we can be clear headed, rational, driven by hope and not driven out of fear.

[Farmhand]

Greg, since your perspective of these longitudinal theory is getting wider
thanks to Bobs confirmations of your presumptions could you obtain
some theoretical or even maybe practical directions (links, schematics,
etc.) which we who knows much less then you and Bob could use as
kind of introductory mean to begin to try to walk along with you and Bob
on that longitudinal path ?

Cheers !

cikljamas, now you can see what I was talking about when I said it was pointless to try to measure the efficiency of a radiant circuit using EM meters. Measuring the EM input and comparing it to EM output is a completely pointless exercise. Unless of course your circuit only outputs EM, or if you only want to measure the EM output.

It occurs to me that even if Bob were to give you his best circuit.

How would you know if you had tuned it to OU ? He is too smart to give you a circuit when he knows you would probably just put it together taking shortcuts, then measure the EM in-out efficiency and declare that it is only 70, 80, 90% efficient or something like that.

Did it occur to you that you could be unwittingly degrading some circuits to newcomers by making erronous evaluations based on EM meter readings?

This is a big sticking point for me, I really don't see why anyone would give you one of thier circuits based on your past evaluation methods and conclusions.

There is more to it than building a circuit. The first thing is to get some understanding. People cannot just give you that understanding you must try hard to obtain it for yourself.

There is only so much people like Bob can do for us.

They are trying to help John, Peter and and the others are trying too.

You don't just turn up to your first day at school and have a college education inserted into your conciousness.

It is a learning process. It takes time and effort. Please try to understand that. I can see why Bob and the others could get so frustrated, seems people want a tuned understanding delivered to thier brain. It's part of the old conditioning.

Any two custom devices are different, even slight differences in the construction of the circuit can make a big difference.

If a person doesn't know why the circuit does what it does, how would they tune it to OU ?

Cheers

[Farmhand]

So, when we see that it can indeed go > 100 % efficiency what then ?

I believe that statement was not a good use of words. Eficciency is limited to 100% in my opinion. It's difficult to explain. But 100% is the whole of something. I try not to use terms of 110% and such. That would imply more than a whole. The word efficiency can be used in many different ways.

Example. This circuit is efficient at burning transistors, or this circuit is an efficient way to produce light which could be a different evaluation if you were to try to charge a battery with it, it's efficiency would change.

Cheers

[cikljamas]

cikljamas I really admire your enthusiasm but rome wasn't built in a day. We will get there. In the meantime it is going to take courage and persistence. We have to pace ourselves, bring ourselves into balance with nature and let her unfold the mysteries to us. This is why this information simply cannot be suppressed; it is built in to the very fabric of the universe. Given enough years someone is eventually going to notice that a part of reality we didn't notice before is there. The only reason we didn't notice it before is because of lack of instruments. In this day and age, if "they" can't measure it, they don't believe it.

So relax take a break. Breathe. Go for a walk. Use the stingo sleeping aid. Maybe even take up meditating. Try to remember what wonderful things are happening right now -- Bob himself showed up to help us with our thread!! -- and try not to focus so much on the suppression. Polarization is a tactic of suppression too -- if people spend all their time fighting against war, they are not spending that time working for peace for themselves.

I thank you my brother for starting this thread. I know it's easy to be discouraged sometimes but being impatient won't help anything -- we can be clear headed, rational, driven by hope and not driven out of fear.

7imix, give me a hug ...Sorry, but let me to laugh too in the same
time ...Thanks !

These words of yours are so sympathetic but also funny, because i give
the same kind of lessons other people although i am not a shrink...

I know, all you are saying its true, and i agree with you 99 %, but there
is 1 % in your words that i have to disagree with...
What / where is that 1 % ? Here :

The only reason we didn't notice it before is because of lack of instruments.

Lack of instruments is not the only reason we didnt notice it before...

Stan Mayers made that stuff...Lets just stop at this example, we do not
have to go to far in past, lets just stop at this Mayers example...

Why we do not use his perfect, perfect, perfect technology ???

Come on my dear friend, answer me that, or maybe Bob Boyce should
answer me that...

All we are keep saying is : ONE DAY, WE SHELL overcome,la,la,la,
WE BELIEVE, AND SO ON...

But, my dear (not deer)friend, why we have to discover again, and again
fire/wheel/electricity, why, why, why ???

Look what Bob is talking about, he is talking about dark matter,
semiconductor crystals, etc., lets quote him a little bit :

I know that large solid state power conversion devices are possible

He knows that large solid state power conversion devices are possible !!?!?!?

That is really great achievement, i know it too, so what ?

Dont you see the point ?

Imagine that Stan Mayers stand in front of us and say : i know that water
can be used as fuel ?

What would be our reaction to that ? Ok, good for you ! Thanks for that
information !

But he came with made, perfectly polished stuff, and offered it to the
world...That is completely another dimension...

This conversation with Bob looks like dream to me, but in what way ?
In the way that i after all these posts have to slap myself to be sure
that i am not dreaming any more...

Maybe i am wrong, maybe i just miss the point, or maybe i am just
stupid, but i will be brutally honest : I expected much more from
that conversation !!!

This case reminds me to one event that occurred in croatian parliament
two months ago, when our prime minister who is now in jail, have to
answer in front of parliament committee about largest corruption affair
in our country ever...

But our former prime minister is like Bil Clinton, he is so perfect liar
that he look at you and perfectly calm tells you : I AM NOT HERE,
WHAT IS HERE IS THERE, JUST WITHOUT T !

Clinton at least admitted that Monica blow him up, but this guy by
the name Ivo Sanader if he was caught in flagrante delicto he would
perfectly calm say : Monica and i are just friends, do not pay attention
to our naked bodies, it does not mean anything !

I do not think that Bob Boyce is a liar, not at all, but if he knows so much
as i suppose that he knows, and if he knows so much as he admitted he knows what is the obstacle to let us know enough to finish this Watkykjy
stuff right now ?

Dont you see that controversy ?

If you have finished device, all we have to do is to replicate it !!!

But if you do not have completed device, at least say it :

I DO NOT HAVE COMPLETED DEVICE !!!

But, if you are saying i have completed device, but in the same time you
are not willing to let us know (schematics, details etc...) how to replicate
that device RIGHT NOW, than i must notice that either i am crazy 100 %
or someone else is trying to make a fool of me...

Ok, if you made a fool of me, i would be happy too, but at least let me know
for sure that you are going to be happy by making fool of me...

Do i ask too much ?

After all, just neglect these words, and go ahead, i wont bother you
any more with this kind of reflections, i just said all i had to say
on this issue !!!

How much i can talk, i tell you : i should had became a priest though
soldering makes me so happy too !

Cheers !

[Farmhand]

Bumper Car ?

OK on a lighter note, I decided I would take advantage of father Sol to warm up my core, as I was looking at it I thought it looked a bit like a bumper car. It could also look like other things. Like a ladies hat for the horse races , not sure a women would be able to wear it as a hat though.

http://kobcsq.bay.livefilestore.com/...002.JPG?psid=1

Any thoughts for a laugh anyone ? I just hope my dog doesn't attack it. I might tie him up.