This is it !

[gmeast]

primary

G'day Greg, Yeah a self charger is a lot more than just a charger, and i don't want to play down the importance of a battery charger. Good battery charger is invaluable. I was just meaning it can do even more than that. Other good things. Like power stuff. Not sure what but if there's some extra stuff comin out we can always find something to do with it. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ......................

Ok so I cut my primary wire, it was 10.3 or so meters x 3 lengths. I'll try to
wind one segment tonight. All up it appears I had 100 feet or 31 meters
about.

Cheers

anxious to hear how many degrees of winding you end up with on a single primary ... it will kinda' help me choose my direction on that.

later

[Farmhand]

52

Hey Greg, I got 52 looks like, if I want 53, maybe, bit more than 90* though.
Resistance is 0.4 ohms and inductance is about 3 Henries. Wire is thinner
than i expecte it to be but it's correct I think 48 turns would just fit inside
90*.

http://kobcsq.bay.livefilestore.com/...004.JPG?psid=1

What do you think ? Wanna see a scope shot ? Of course you do. I should
get an SD card for the Nano, I think then I can just download shots then
maybe, not sure. I set something up to pulse it soon.

Supper time. Tea and

Scope Shots.
http://kobcsq.bay.livefilestore.com/...001.JPG?psid=1

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...002.JPG?psid=1

Cheers.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, these short, quick pulsing methods really interest me. I scavenged some different mosfets from a computer power supply and a 400 watt inverter.
One type is CEPF640 N-channel, another type is STP60NF06 N-channel.

I'm using a 555 timer circuit right now that is capable of below 50% duty cycle. Though i'll have to read more of this thread about hex controller and circuits.
So i assume for now, that the hex circuit fires its mosfets in sequential order.
If that is the case, then i assume it's to maximize output, not sure why so many mosfets are needed and to be energized that way, though I will do some more reading on it.
I wonder why one mosfet wouldn't do the job, since it looks like Aaron is doing something similar in this video.

YouTube - CFL 555 Mosfet circuit driving ignition coil

Any basic explanation would be appreciated, though don't worry too much, I'll catch up on some reading as well.
Though any links to threads or anywhere that might be good to explain the hex controller or other similar setups, thanks.
Tyson

[Farmhand]

Hi Skywatcher, Here's a link to a post that contains links to the drawings for
the circuit i'm using for some testing at the moment. It's based on a very
cheap CMOS 4001 or 4011 chip. Adjustable frequency and pulse width. This
circuit can be a bit tricky, but it's good, can go down to very narrow pulse
width and up to quite high frequency. It's not the best, very basic.

http://www.energeticforum.com/124783-post656.html
Actually here's a beter drawing. Direct link.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...ev1.bmp?psid=1

But we will end up with three primaries and pulse them some way or other.
We haven't really decided yet.

This is a drawing I made, it's just an idea for how I thought a while ago we
might do this. It's a self charger project. This drawing below is untested
and may not work.
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ilitysmall.jpg

The other guys are working on a more advanced PWM at the moment and
could tell you more about that. We won't be using Hex controllers. Only three Mosfets. Try to make the flux chase its tail.

Cheers

Oh yeah Skywatcher, if you go to "The Pactical Guide To Free Energy
Device's" Page 330 of the whole book or Page 23 of Chapter 5. And there
is a circuit there, the section starts back before that. There is also usefull
relevent info in the "Fleet" Device and "Tesla High Frequency Polyphase
Transformer" Device. And of course the "Stan Meyer" drawings in the PGFED
book is good too. There is a good 555 circuit in there. Very good one.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi farmhand, thanks for the reply and all the direction to information, looks like i have to read some more, though i have read most of it, it was awhile ago and it needs to be fresh in my mind to try these circuits, thanks.
So as far as that video of Aaron's, did he have any luck with that, i mean did it at least keep his battery from discharging, thanks for replies.
peace love light
Tyson

[gmeast]

hex controller

Hi folks, these short, quick pulsing methods really interest me. I scavenged some different mosfets from a computer power supply and a 400 watt inverter.
One type is CEPF640 N-channel, another type is STP60NF06 N-channel.

I'm using a 555 timer circuit right now that is capable of below 50% duty cycle. Though i'll have to read more of this thread about hex controller and circuits.
So i assume for now, that the hex circuit fires its mosfets in sequential order.
If that is the case, then i assume it's to maximize output, not sure why so many mosfets are needed and to be energized that way, though I will do some more reading on it.
I wonder why one mosfet wouldn't do the job, since it looks like Aaron is doing something similar in this video.

YouTube - CFL 555 Mosfet circuit driving ignition coil

Any basic explanation would be appreciated, though don't worry too much, I'll catch up on some reading as well.
Though any links to threads or anywhere that might be good to explain the hex controller or other similar setups, thanks.
Tyson

Hi SkyWatcher,

It seems the Hex Controller is the 'big' mystery at the moment. Bob Boyce's brief participation in this thread had proved to be most valuable. The multiple power MOSFETS on the the board are for system flexibility I believe because the Hex Controller was Bob's return to his 'multi-phase' research.

The CFL video circuit is likely not self-charging, and it's been pointed out that simply 'pulsing' a load isn't going to get you there ... so to speak.

The principles being employed in our efforts here a history and basis in Non-Hertzian principles explored and employed by Tesla in his multi-phase work. I came to find this out from this thread, and knew little about it beforehand.

Bob Boyce has directed many to 'get their heads wrapped around' the Non-Hertzian work done by Tesla. Search "Non-Hertzian" and find several peer-review papers written on the topic in the mainstream so it's not a 'loose' term just floating around out there.

Like Farmhand said, what we're doing here is multi-phase ... trying to generate a flux or fluxes that chase their tails around in the toroid ... hoping to create a Non-Hertzian state in/about/around the toroid in order to access longitudinal energy.

The real focus here came about the same time Bob Boyce first visited the thread. After everyone got done pouting and insulting one another, the thread continued with a renewed determination and a more defined focus ... so here we are now.

Later

[Farmhand]

Hi Greg, Any thoughts on a way to go with the pimaries. I'm thinking I will
just wind 52 turns for each. I can always take some turns off later.

Pulsing at a very low 1.8Khz with 63 Ma current draw gave me about 15 volts
AC on the secondary open. Which by the way does not correlate with my
previous findings about the secondary. Seems to be different with this core.

Anyway so very good battery charging from the recovery considering the
input power. An led on the secondary burns about as bright as I have ever
seen an led burn without being damaged, painfull to look at. Of course the
charging continued while the Led burned.

I'm keen to wind my other two primaries. Just waiting to hear your thoughts.

Cheers.

OK Trying to keep the post count down, so i'll post these pics here.
There is still a difference with the secondary but not the same as with
ordinary toroidal transformers.

Secondary Shorted , quite long period of oscillations.
http://9xfdag.bay.livefilestore.com/...002.JPG?psid=1

Secondary open, shorter oscillation period.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...006.JPG?psid=1

Secondary loaded with one 5mm LED on a FWBR with a 200v 220uf capacitor
across the DC of the bridge.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...004.JPG?psid=1

The last shot shows the refection or whatever caused by the load. But it
come's after the oscillation period during what would usually be "dead time".

interesting.

Edit#2. I forgot to mention that the input current increased by about 12 Ma when shorting or connecting the load. About the same for both.

[gmeast]

Hi Greg, Any thoughts on a way to go with the pimaries. I'm thinking I will
just wind 52 turns for each. I can always take some turns off later.

.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..................................
I'm keen to wind my other two primaries. Just waiting to hear your thoughts.

Cheers.

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interesting.

Edit#2. I forgot to mention that the input current increased by about 12 Ma when shorting or connecting the load. About the same for both.

Hi Farmhand,

Worked all afternoon ... you know, $$$$ ... so not much got done here. Your last trace is weird for sure ... and 'yes' ... confusing too.

Looks as though we ended up with the same wire ... mine's purple too. Did you get my post regarding the fact that the toroids used for video0 vs videos1-4 were different?

That's the kind of thing that I don't like to see ... it casts doubt on things, ya know?

So, since you got a full 90deg+ with 52 turns, then I will try 52 turns on just one primary but not cut anything. Remember, my toroid is fatter because of the too-thick insulation (I'm still mad about that!) so perhaps I SHOULD cut three equal lengths of the primary material so at least they will be equal turns on each ... no matter the actual number of turns results.

You thoughts?

Later

[Farmhand]

Hi Greg, It's good to be able to throw our thoughts back and forth.

Yes I did catch that post about the Toroids in the vids being "different". In a
way it's promising in a way it's not. Might be hard to replicate exactly. But it
should work better if done the correct way. I would like to shield mine, so the
leads coming off straight to the side's is good.

About the primaries. 52 winds was a bit more than 90* but there will still be
a bout 12 to 15 mm gap between the primaries. Hard to say, the only reason
I could see for more gap is to allow a bit more phase angle difference
(if that is even a term) like adjustment area, kind of thing, if they are too
close it maybe a problem. No reason to layer 25 turns in two layers that
wouldnt make 90* anyway. 0.4 ohms is not much resistance.

The way I see it if it is a problem we can remove the tape unwind a turn or
two from each end or wherever we decide to unwind from. But no need to
cut the wire still it will just be a longer lead. Then if there is no benifit we
could wind the turns back on.

I have about two turns past the 90* mark both ways so looks like 48 turns
would be exactly 90* segment.

I think you should measure your wire. I had I think 30.6 meters I thought but
looking back at the pics it looks like Maybe 10.3 x 3 lengths counting the
knot.

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...001.JPG?psid=1

You can see by this second pic that the wire is actually a bit longer because
of the wire being hung from the top of the picket and the tape measure is
attached to the bottom. If you know pythagorus theorum you might be able
to work it out roughly.

http://kobcsq.bay.livefilestore.com/...002.JPG?psid=1

It's not easy when you don't have an assistant, I think we could all get a lot
more experimenting done with a willing assistant. Problem is nobody will help
unless I pay them.

[Farmhand]

It would be nice to actually measure but if you just cut into three
lengths and wind it on we will see how many turns you get.

I think you will have the same because it came from same place.

Unless you can measure we won't know till you wind one primary.

Start your first turns outside the 90* mark, or you might have to move the
whole lot 2 winds distance.

Oh and don't pull too hard on the purple wire it feels like it is soft and could
stretch easy or even break.

I will wait no probs. I'm not very good at making these decisions thats why I
was happy to just cut mine in three. I didn't have to make a decision.

Cheers

[gmeast]

still working

It would be nice to actually measure but if you just cut into three
lengths and wind it on we will see how many turns you get.

I think you will have the same because it came from same place.

Unless you can measure we won't know till you wind one primary.

Start your first turns outside the 90* mark, or you might have to move the
whole lot 2 winds distance.

Oh and don't pull too hard on the purple wire it feels like it is soft and could
stretch easy or even break.

I will wait no probs. I'm not very good at making these decisions thats why I
was happy to just cut mine in three. I didn't have to make a decision.

Cheers

I'll be working most of the day, so I can't pay attention to anything for a day or so ... doesn't mean I won't be thinking about it though.

Later

[gmeast]

ok I lied

I'll be working most of the day, so I can't pay attention to anything for a day or so ... doesn't mean I won't be thinking about it though.

Later

I did stop to receive my UPS shipment of stuff like resistors, diodes and guess what? ... my power MOSFET driver ICs. Yeah right ... they're going to sit in their box until tomorrow ... ya bet ya no way duuuuude!

Enough surfie. So I have them now and can test when I have time. The spec sheet calls for some careful shielding and care to shield from circuit noise, so I'm sure it's no going to just be 'plug 'n play'. I might have to solder up a socket on a protoboard and blob in some solder for a ground/shield plane. Maybe not. I'm going to try and fire it from the logic gate pulse (that's sitting right at a 1/2usec pulse).

Later

[Farmhand]

Ok I just thought of a good enough reason to go ahead with 52 turns in each
primary winding. 52 is the number of weeks in a year That'll do
me for a reason. I'll wind em tonight.

Gmeast said,

The spec sheet calls for some careful shielding and care to shield from circuit noise, so I'm sure it's no going to just be 'plug 'n play'. I might have to solder up a socket on a protoboard and blob in some solder for a ground/shield plane. Maybe not. I'm going to try and fire it from the logic gate pulse (that's sitting right at a 1/2usec pulse).

Maybe we need a RF filter of some kind on the power lead to the circuit while
the Toroid can be powered directly from the battery.

The way I see the problem is when self charging any energy passing the
choke in the recovery line will be able to feed directly (through the battery
connections) to the Circuit and the Toroid.

That may not be a problem for the toroid itself (it may even cause part of
the effect we want) (by powering the coils with LE mostly not current), but
I don't think it would be good for the circuit or it's function. I may be wrong
about the toroid thing but I heard tesla said coils can work from voltage
alone, somehow.

Maybe with the power regulated and passing some resistors and/or caps
before the PWM circuit that will do the job.

Also if the toroid itself is shielded with an aluminium box, but not too close to
it, in my opinion at least 10mm or 3/8 inch gap.

Just some more random thoughts on that.

Cheers

P.S. My experiments tell me that thick aluminium shielding causes more
output but also more input with helical coils. Toroid effect is still unknown
to me.

[gmeast]

Ok I just thought of a good enough reason to go ahead with 52 turns in each
primary winding. 52 is the number of weeks in a year That'll do
me for a reason. I'll wind em tonight.
.................................................. .................................................. ..
The way I see the problem is when self charging any energy passing the
choke in the recovery line will be able to feed directly (through the battery
connections) to the Circuit and the Toroid.

That may not be a problem for the toroid itself (it may even cause part of
the effect we want) (by powering the coils with LE mostly not current), but
I don't think it would be good for the circuit or it's function. I may be wrong
about the toroid thing but I heard tesla said coils can work from voltage
alone, somehow.

Maybe with the power regulated and passing some resistors and/or caps
before the PWM circuit that will do the job.

Also if the toroid itself is shielded with an aluminium box, but not too close to
it, in my opinion at least 10mm or 3/8 inch gap.

Just some more random thoughts on that.

Cheers

P.S. My experiments tell me that thick aluminium shielding causes more
output but also more input with helical coils. Toroid effect is still unknown
to me.

Hi Farmhand,

That all sounds great ... we should anticipate as many things as possible and try and form contingencies and remedies where at all possible ... nothing wrong with anticipating various scenarios.

... AND YOUR REASON FOR PROCEEDING WITH 52 TURNS IS JUST AS GOOD AS ANY REASON I CAN THINK OF!

I have become very fond of one iteration of my multi-phase pulser/swirler thingy. Upon reviewing W's videos, and in particular 5:40 into video3/4, W discusses some aspects of his program. Having looked up the Micro the Hex Controller uses and taking into account the "FOR 0-6:NEXT" program loop, AND assuming the count is based on clock pulses, AND assuming the clock frequency to be 20MHz, our gizmo only needs to thump along at 3.33MHz in order to match the same pulse width the Hex Controller is gating the MOSFET at via the driver chip. If someone knows for sure whether that FOR-NEXT loop is the frequency determinate or the pulse-width determinate, please pop in. Either way, this has simplified our gadget immensely. The pulse width becomes a function of frequency and the frequency is determined by ... well enough said here. All drivers and FETS sit on the same circuit and are dip switch programmable on-the-fly ... (slightly different than originally planned). There's a little arithmetic I hope to reduce to a look-up table ... not a program data look-up table, but a piece of paper. The simpler it gets, the more exciting it becomes!

Later

[Farmhand]

Sounds good

I like the sound of what you're doing Greg. I thought it might need to get a
bit complicated before it could be simplified. Like you have done by the sound
of it.

I managed to get another primary on, thats two, no spacers or anything yet,
I pulsed them with a fet each, but in union. The waveform is a bit funny looking.

http://kobcsq.bay.livefilestore.com/...004.JPG?psid=1

http://kobcsq.bay.livefilestore.com/...006.JPG?psid=1

Cheers