This is it !

[7imix]

Hey Greg, check my post on heretical. I think there is a big clue there.

[Farmhand]

Hi Farmhand,

I'm fine. I'm starting to think we did NOT see a real self-charging effect in the Wacky vids. I still can't put my finger on it, and the parts of the demo where he switches the Toroid 'on' then 'off' is pretty convincing though ... in that the circuit draws the battery down by itself and then when the Toroid is switched in, the battery voltage climbs.

I'd like to know how Wacky was able to connect his DVM to the battery during charging. Bob told me to NOT connect ANYTHING 'electronic' to the battery being charged ... either single- or dual-battery configurations.

My choke is adjustable now. Do you think I should just arbitrarily choose a frequency ... say 41KHz, mess with the phase angles a little and then tune the choke for min/max?

I really expected to see some 'trends' showing up in my tests, but there seems to be no correlation in any relationships beyond the conventional.

I want to get two new motor cycle batteries for this testing, but I can't afford that right now.

Bob wants me to shorten the signal leads from my PPC because there might be inductive interference on them ... but they exit the vicinity of the Toroid radially, so how could there be inductive interference? I'm sure he knows more than me about this.

Though I don't know specifically what they would be, I can imagine a good number of subtle conditions that might effectively KILL the LE in a system like this.

I had asked Bob in a private email recently if I should retain the B+ choke in the dual-battery configuration. I have not heard back ... maybe I should check my on-line spam folders ... an on-going irritant, those folders.

Later

Yes it is very convincing, I can't say for sure and won't try to make out I actually know because I don't. It is very convincing for sure. That's why I still think about it.

Yeah I noticed by using a choke on the transmitter setup i'm playing with, that if I change the frequency and/or increase the power so that an extreme amount of BEMF is produced because I am trying to force the BEMF to charge a cap which then discharges through the transmitter primary.
it's hard to explain.

It's a DC resonant charging circuit made from my desulfator discharging it's BEMF into the primary cap, but I have a choke on the recovery to try to limit the cap voltage produced, the choke blocks the bemf.

It's a wild setup and the cap voltage without the choke connected can get over 150volts. The choke does let energy through but only slowly.

Here is my first go at a circuit.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...001.JPG?psid=1

You can see here how the choke initially blocks the BEMF, then lets it drop to the charge battery voltage + source. This is with two charge batteries.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...002.JPG?psid=1

This is with one charge battery + source.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...001.JPG?psid=1

However the problem is if I try to increase the power the choke does it's job but that cause cap voltage get's too high and the mosfet fry's.

I'm experimenting with a solution involving higher voltage rated mosfets.

I would say a dual battery charging setup the choke could do the same as the one battery setup but at high power it will cause the reactive power to be too much for the mosfet, when it cannot escape the system.

I am still waiting on those cheap part's beleive it or not, they must be retooling to make them.

Cheers

Edit. I spoke too soon I just got a parts delivery. minus two parts they could not supply.

[gmeast]

so now what?

I thought I would post an excerpt from a private email sent to me by Bob Boyce. I had privately asked him about the need for a B+ choke in a 2-battery charging configuration.

Here was his reply to me and the reason for the title of this post:

"Hey there Greg

Yes, the B+ choke is always required. Right now is not a good time to be working with the toroidal tech, it no longer functions."

... and this all has something to do with the sun's activity and our impending? magnetic pole collapse and 'flip' ... just peachy!

[sucahyo]

That is surprising news. Did he mention when will toroid work again?

[gmeast]

Toroid Tech

That is surprising news. Did he mention when will toroid work again?

Hi sucahyo,

Sorry for the late response. I've already boxed everything up and said "good-bye" to this project. It's just one of the countless time and resource wasters that is part of this free-energy stuff.

From the PMs I've received from Bob, It's actually doubtful that 'Wacky' ever really had anything. Poly-Phase 'Pinging' a Toroid to access energy from the environment is only a fantasy.

However, I developed a pretty nice Poly Phase Controller (PPC) out of the whole thing and understand allot more about digital counters, comparators and logic gates. Still ... it has not been worth the time and expense.

Later,

Greg

[aljhoa]

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A “CT” is a device that is commonly used by electricians as a piece of test equipment to measure the flow of electricity in a circuit without having to physically touch the wire. See amp probe at: Fluke Clamp-on Current Probe - YouTube

This books goes over the principles and construction of a unit that takes advantage of 'free energy' by using a coil to create another flow of electricty. The book is 20 pages of assembly information and a dozen photos and illustrations.
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Toroidal Winder Home made part one - YouTube

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See also
http://www.energeticforum.com/149471-post19.html
Al

[sucahyo]

Hi sucahyo,

Sorry for the late response. I've already boxed everything up and said "good-bye" to this project. It's just one of the countless time and resource wasters that is part of this free-energy stuff.

From the PMs I've received from Bob, It's actually doubtful that 'Wacky' ever really had anything. Poly-Phase 'Pinging' a Toroid to access energy from the environment is only a fantasy.

However, I developed a pretty nice Poly Phase Controller (PPC) out of the whole thing and understand allot more about digital counters, comparators and logic gates. Still ... it has not been worth the time and expense.

Later,

Greg

I see. that is too bad. I hope you get more success on your next project .

[gmeast]

keep trying

Hi all,

Since I put allot of time in on this thing, I'll carry it through to completion. My PPC (Poly Phase Controller) is coming along nicely (nicely but slowly).

Below is a shot of the Frequency board:


Next is a screen shot of a typical programmable pulse. This one is around 180nano-seconds at around 28KHz:


Last is a screen shot of one pulse nested within another pulse. Shown is a 200nano-second pulse nested inside of a 1.66micro-second pulse. This requires a Phase Board which gives you full PWM control of a signal. The PCB design is complete for this board. Just waiting for the $ to grow a little before I can make the PCB run.


N- number of Phase Boards can connect to the Frequency Board for full PWM and Phase control. So a 3-Ph pulser would consist of one Frequency Board and 3 Phase Boards.

The signal out is TTL on 5VDC. You would buffer the output using a Driver Chip such as the UCC27322 (?) to drive a Mosfet like the IRF540Z. The output signal of the PPC is a good match for rise, fall and delay times of the 540Z. PPC frequencies from 0.5Hz to 2MHz. With this you have the speed, accuracy and control of a microprocessor but without needing to learn any code.

I'll sell these boards soon and then you guys don't have to re-invent new pulsing circuits that actually have nothing to do with the experimentation.

Later

[FRC]

Great

I was wondering what happened to this thread. You had shown such good results before and looked like you were on to something that showed a lot of promise. Hope something good can still come out of all the work done.

George

[gmeast]

keep trying

I was wondering what happened to this thread. You had shown such good results before and looked like you were on to something that showed a lot of promise. Hope something good can still come out of all the work done.

George

Hi George,

Thanks. I was getting good results, but it didn't seem like the rig was self charging. Bob Boyce's micro-driven toroid for HHO production operated differently from his 3GPWM in that (I think) the 3GPWM produced 3 different frequencies ... on to each coil winding (non-sync'd) ... but the micro-driven scheme seemed sync'd. I still don't have a 'final' on the difference. Nonetheless, it would be nice to know if Wacky's arrangement in the videos was sync'd or not ... one frequency or three, etc.

What's important I think is to have a platform that is flexible enough to explore any option possible and spend your valuable time actually experimenting and NOT reinventing circuits ... yes? ... no?

Below is one additional picture showing the output of the UCC27322 Mosfet driver chip. The scale (green) is 3VDC/division while the PPC signal (orange) is 1VDC/division. You can see how nice and crisp that signal is. The rise and fall times don't even register as a nano-second .... cool.


Nice to hear from you. Thanks again. Later,

Greg

[sigzidfit]

Large ferrite torroid cheap as dirt.

Seems that large torroid cores are all the rage these days. This thread seemed as good as any to post this to.

Peace
PJ

PICT0010.AVI - YouTube

[gmeast]

2-battery configuration

Hi all,

I'm pretty sure folks don't check in on this thread much anymore, but I will post from time to time to keep it toward the front end of the more active discussions.

One thing I'm ashamed to have NOT tried is the 2-battery charging configuration. Though I still consider the 1-battery configuration to be the 'Holy Grail', I must defer to the 2-battery approach for a very good reason. That reason is: The B+ Choke and the 'Recovery Choke' must play important and most likely complex roles. I don't completely understand those roles but Bob said that if I were to ever choose to explore a 2-battery configuration then things will be different. He communicated to me that the 'Recovery Choke' is NOT required with a 2-battery system ... as per part of an email exchange below:

I had asked him:
"If I use a 2-battery configuration ... one running the circuitry and one charging on the 'recovery circuit', you have said that the recovery choke is not needed, but what about the B+ choke? Does that choke remain as a protection for the 'circuit battery'?"

Bob replied:
"Hey there Greg,

Yes, the B+ choke is always required. ..."

I had also asked him about battery charging characteristics and it went like this:
"... the battery I'm using could just be too 'big' for the self-charge power it (the circuit) might actually be putting out."

Bob replied:
"The large battery could have self-discharge losses higher than the charge current. With single battery charging, losses are more critical because we have to use the series choke on the output. If running from one battery and charging a second battery bank of higher voltage, the choke can be eliminated so that charging is greatly enhanced. Just be sure not to connect anything electronic to that battery with the toroid running."
(the "series choke" is what I'm referring to as the "Recovery Choke"

This is important information straight from the 'horse's mouth'. I do have one remaining thing to resolve and maybe Bob will chime in here if he reads this post, otherwise input from any of you would be appreciated.

It's this:
I'm assuming that the B+ Choke is common to the + side of both batteries. That is to say; the 3 Toroid primaries commons together on one side of the B+ Choke and both battery + terminals common together on the other side of the B+ Choke. And also ... should the B+ Choke winding be CCW or CW? I have both solid-silver plated and plain stranded for both CCW and CW for both alloy mixes of cores.

Whew! Thanks for listening and I look forward to any input from you all,

Greg

P.S. I want to add this excerpt from one of our other email exchanges:
"Those diodes on the FETs are not for charging, they are DC blocking diodes. LME passes right through most diodes in both directions as if they are a dead short, while the DC from the batteries being charged gets blocked from interfering with the switching of the FETs."

... and this probably adds a new layer of mystery to things ... God I wish I was smarter so I could see what's REALLY happening.

[gmeast]

just an update

Hi everyone that cares (or not),

I will receive my prototype phase board PCBs on 2/27/12. It's exciting for me because I'll be able to populate one of them with the components I have in-house to give me a (nearly) finished 3-phase 'short width pulse' set up. It will be similar to my 12-bit proto-board circuit you've seen in my videos, but 'bumped' to 16-bit resolution ... that's 1 part in 65536 parts. The pulse width for this 'simple' PPC circuit is controlled by a combination of Oscillator frequency divider selection (jumper ... divide by 1, 10 or 100) and a 4-turn 500k pot configured as a variable resistor. The pot lets you fine tune for frequency/PW and the (sets) of 16-bit programmable DIPs lets you establish the 'coarse' frequency an lets you position the phases within the pulse period.

Right now I can only get the Oscillator to run 'cleanly' below 4MHz ... it should do 20Mhz with no problem ... don't know why ... Linear Technologies make the LT6900 Silicon Oscillator and will help me get the frequency up. They, as with many chip makers, don't want to show you the best in-circuit, on-board arrangement for their device - lawyers, liability ... bull roar, but they might show me how if one of their customers agree to show theirs ... and they determine I'm not a potential competitor ... pure crap! Their data sheet 'appears' comprehensive, but in the end is of little help other than for a basic in-circuit, on-board set-up.

I'll post pictures and/or a video right after I receive my boards AND then after I've populated one and hooked it to the Frequency Board. I have hopes that this PPC thing of mine will give allot of you experimenters a poly-phase controller that is NOT microprocessor-based so that more research can be done to verify the self-charging characteristics and utility of poly-phase pulsed toroidal coils.


Later,

Greg

[gmeast]

PPC (Poly Phase Controller) update video

Hi all,

I received my Phase Board PCBs and populated one. I haven't ordered the headers or related connectors though $$$$$$. The video is my usual rambling. Enjoy:

Controller: Phase Board & re-cap of Frequency Board - YouTube

Later

[gmeast]

headers/connectors

OK, I wa$ able to order my headers for the first populated Phase Board as well as the related connectors.

More news at 11:00PM. Later,

Greg

Hi all,

I received my Phase Board PCBs and populated one. I haven't ordered the headers or related connectors though $$$$$$. The video is my usual rambling. Enjoy:

Later