Captret - Perpetual Light with Dead Batteries

[CosmicFarmer]

Here is my time trials for 60 hours (3 or so days)



For a higher resoloution please click here captretfinal | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Yellow line is "Black"
Green line is "green" (glad calx got that one right)
Red line is "White"
Blue line is "Silver"
Brown line is LED.

"Black" is a 17r8h NIMH Rechargable 9volt battery, connected to 3, 2uF 200 V electrolytics, in the captret fashion with no load.

"Green" is the same 17r8h NIMH Rechargable 9volt battery, connected to 3, 330v 80uf electrolytic caps in the captret fashion.

"Silver" is a non rechargable 9volt ray-o-vac heavy duty 9volt connected to 3 330v 120uf Electrolytics with no load in the captret fashion.

"White" is a 200mAh NiMh 8.4v rechargable battery connected to 3, 25v 4700 uf "supercaps" in the captret fashion. no load.

"LED" is 2 dead 17r8h NIMH Rechargable 9volt batteries connected to one 1uF 50v electrolytic tiny capacitor in the captret fashion, with a LED as a load on the + and - of the capacitor, ALA the original schematic.

Review.

LED starts at 10.95 ends at 11.51 and still climbing.
Silver starts at 8.80 and ends at 8.96 and slowly climbing.
Black starts at 8.57 and ends at 8.20 and dropping........
White starts at 8.66 and ends at 8.79 and fluctuating up and down.
Green starts at 8.60 and ends at 8.33 and dropping....

I also hooked up capacitors only (25v 4700 uf) with one being the "battery" and the 3 being the captret. No load. Constant loss from 1.340 down to .475 over 3 days.

The results are "LED" has grown in charge, "silver" has increased a little, "Black" has constantly dropped, "White" has increased a little as well, "Green" has decreased, and my "quad" as in the 4 identical caps have decreased ever since the start.

Now, i think this warrents further investigation, however the right capacitor and load are needed to observe the charging effect. What the right capacitor is, I would imagine something high voltage... but who knows. "White" used 25v caps and is increasing in voltage very very slowly. The highest gain is "LED" which uses 2 really dead 9volts and a LED as a load. this light is so dim you couldn't use it as a nightlight in pitch blackness, but you could use it as something to find maybe a lightswitch in the dark... like a dim indicator or something.

I agree with Lasersaber's video that this arrangement prolongs the life of a load more then usual, so my recommended path to progress toward is replacing the LED in the standard circuit with an oscillator or JT or something that can run on very small watts and produce more light. Almost no current but some decent volts and run time this way.

Some thoughts...
Battery bounce back might take place the first 24 hours after a load or charge, while this recharging effect is constant. There is a drain on the battery larger then what I would imagine as soon as the cct is hooked up, larger then just filling the caps in the cct... Like the current is burning a new path to the O connection inside the cap. Once the path is set up, then the magic happens.

Usefullness 1 out of 10.
Interesting properties, 7 out of 10.

Maybe this could be devoloped further to do something more then have a dim light. Its a good charge controller for a power source in higher voltage then the LED could normally take.

Anyway. Thats my findings. 3 working "ou" circuits and 3 "duds" all hooked up similar, with one being different.

-->Skeptics notes. The inductance changes while the circuit is running, so thats why you see the voltage climb. (But when I disconnect the CCT the voltage remains high..) (And why would an inductance be changed in a CAPACITOR...??? )

--> My notes . I still believe that a NP OR PN or NPN or PNP junction is being formed by the passage of current burning the elements in the capacitor at high enough voltages. I have no scientific grounds to back this up, its just conjecture. Phantom diode..... The Dr. finds his Phd in a capacitor :-)

Who knows. Its milivolts being put back in, its not like entire watts. Baby steps...

At the end of the (midweek), there is a larger voltage on some of my batteries then others.. Perplexing.

Thanks for reading,
Peace.

[CosmicFarmer]

Ok now i'm starting to worry, Youtube is really trying to keep me from making comments to people on my videos. Anyone else experiencing this? Or Youtube really trying to censor me? I can post comments on others videos but not on my captret or free energy videos.

No links, youtube will cockblock it. Just take out the .com and the http and most of the slashes and it should work...

[Jbignes5]

Thank you

Here is my time trials for 60 hours (3 or so days)



For a higher resoloution please click here captretfinal | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Yellow line is "Black"
Green line is "green" (glad calx got that one right)
Red line is "White"
Blue line is "Silver"
Brown line is LED.

"Black" is a 17r8h NIMH Rechargable 9volt battery, connected to 3, 2uF 200 V electrolytics, in the captret fashion with no load.

"Green" is the same 17r8h NIMH Rechargable 9volt battery, connected to 3, 330v 80uf electrolytic caps in the captret fashion.

"Silver" is a non rechargable 9volt ray-o-vac heavy duty 9volt connected to 3 330v 120uf Electrolytics with no load in the captret fashion.

"White" is a 200mAh NiMh 8.4v rechargable battery connected to 3, 25v 4700 uf "supercaps" in the captret fashion. no load.

"LED" is 2 dead 17r8h NIMH Rechargable 9volt batteries connected to one 1uF 50v electrolytic tiny capacitor in the captret fashion, with a LED as a load on the + and - of the capacitor, ALA the original schematic.

Review.

LED starts at 10.95 ends at 11.51 and still climbing.
Silver starts at 8.80 and ends at 8.96 and slowly climbing.
Black starts at 8.57 and ends at 8.20 and dropping........
White starts at 8.66 and ends at 8.79 and fluctuating up and down.
Green starts at 8.60 and ends at 8.33 and dropping....

I also hooked up capacitors only (25v 4700 uf) with one being the "battery" and the 3 being the captret. No load. Constant loss from 1.340 down to .475 over 3 days.

The results are "LED" has grown in charge, "silver" has increased a little, "Black" has constantly dropped, "White" has increased a little as well, "Green" has decreased, and my "quad" as in the 4 identical caps have decreased ever since the start.

Now, i think this warrents further investigation, however the right capacitor and load are needed to observe the charging effect. What the right capacitor is, I would imagine something high voltage... but who knows. "White" used 25v caps and is increasing in voltage very very slowly. The highest gain is "LED" which uses 2 really dead 9volts and a LED as a load. this light is so dim you couldn't use it as a nightlight in pitch blackness, but you could use it as something to find maybe a lightswitch in the dark... like a dim indicator or something.

I agree with Lasersaber's video that this arrangement prolongs the life of a load more then usual, so my recommended path to progress toward is replacing the LED in the standard circuit with an oscillator or JT or something that can run on very small watts and produce more light. Almost no current but some decent volts and run time this way.

Some thoughts...
Battery bounce back might take place the first 24 hours after a load or charge, while this recharging effect is constant. There is a drain on the battery larger then what I would imagine as soon as the cct is hooked up, larger then just filling the caps in the cct... Like the current is burning a new path to the O connection inside the cap. Once the path is set up, then the magic happens.

Usefullness 1 out of 10.
Interesting properties, 7 out of 10.

Maybe this could be devoloped further to do something more then have a dim light. Its a good charge controller for a power source in higher voltage then the LED could normally take.

Anyway. Thats my findings. 3 working "ou" circuits and 3 "duds" all hooked up similar, with one being different.

-->Skeptics notes. The inductance changes while the circuit is running, so thats why you see the voltage climb. (But when I disconnect the CCT the voltage remains high..) (And why would an inductance be changed in a CAPACITOR...??? )

--> My notes . I still believe that a NP OR PN or NPN or PNP junction is being formed by the passage of current burning the elements in the capacitor at high enough voltages. I have no scientific grounds to back this up, its just conjecture. Phantom diode..... The Dr. finds his Phd in a capacitor :-)

Who knows. Its milivolts being put back in, its not like entire watts. Baby steps...

At the end of the (midweek), there is a larger voltage on some of my batteries then others.. Perplexing.

Thanks for reading,
Peace.

Thank you for your input. It is very interesting to see that voltage rise on some of the setups. I don't know why either and to tell you the truth if we could figure this out it would change the way we do low voltage electronics. Solar would be king to maintain the source and our world will be better for it. There are a lot of things this could be useful for but the thing that makes it hard to replicate is the quality of the caps. Out of 10 caps I bought new for .35 a piece only half have this capability. It's weird.

[ibpointless2]

Thank you for your input. It is very interesting to see that voltage rise on some of the setups. I don't know why either and to tell you the truth if we could figure this out it would change the way we do low voltage electronics. Solar would be king to maintain the source and our world will be better for it. There are a lot of things this could be useful for but the thing that makes it hard to replicate is the quality of the caps. Out of 10 caps I bought new for .35 a piece only half have this capability. It's weird.

How did you check yours for this ability?

[CosmicFarmer]

I forgot to mention, around the 10-15 hour mark I realized that all the positives should be connected, and did so to all my circuits. Not much change but the LED one jumped a little. Also my marks were sporadic, some times 10 hours in between readings and other times only 15 mins... so the graphing software didn't smooth it right for me.

[Jbignes5]

The polarization...

How did you check yours for this ability?

The polarization of the terminal to the hull for each terminal. Ones that had a positive polarity or not hooked up backwards seem to be better at this effect. I am wondering if the caps are wound differently for each type of polarity difference.

The way we are using them neg on the case and both positive and neg terminal should be positive polarity from my experiences. Just like we are using them. Of course the cap must have a light charge on the regular cap terminals. Like you I charged the cap up and then the effect shows up when checked the captret way. Ones that have differences in the polarity of voltages when measured the captret way usually will be stubborn to work in the captret fashion. Stubborn but not impossible to condition.

What I think is happening is the normal caps have two diodes already conditioned from the first energized charge they get at the factory. Some seem to loose this diode or it flips by itself. What we are doing is forcing a flip of that diode that forms between the hull and plates so that both diodes are in the same direction but different degrees. This causes a difference that the charge will build up between the hull and plates that gets boosted by the charge between the regular plates.

I have been trying to envision the flow between all the capacities and it looks like if you provide a flow on the positive plate and hull by making the hull negative that an eddy of flow forms with the negative plate and positive. This is the free flow we are using to energize the led and hence why we use zero current in that process. This is as far as I can tell.

I am trying to figure out a duplicate way we could use this in a different setup with inductors and capacitors. I think this might be the key aspect to this effect.

[electricity]

Speculation vs Tinkering

Y'all aint listening. Size matters!

Tinkering is building devises and learning, construct, observe and learn. Take what you learn and apply it to the next phase.

I told y'all that small caps ain't gonna do it, so wast away your time as it ain't mine.

I build huge electrolytic capacitors from scratch, the type that cost hundreds $ to buy, they cost a few bucks to make.

What do I use?, I told yall already. I get my Al foil and Paper from Kitchen Supply warehouse or Costco etc. I use soda cans etc for container and corrugated plastic for lid (free from election signs).

I can charge 12v lead acid and light cfl @ same time, but I aint gonna sppon feed you.

[LaserSaber]

I built one of these large capacitors. It's 4" by 18". I am not sure what to say about it. It self charges to half a volt and has around ten mA constant output. I cannot get it to hold a voltage charge like a regular capacitor. I used 50 50 antifreeze for the electrolyte. I built it exactly like a normal electrolytic capacitor so I am not sure what I did wrong. Is there a break in process that you have to do with one of these? Regardless of how it functions as a capacitor it makes a pretty cool low voltage power source as is.

[automan]

Captret powers Joule Thief (day 2)

I am testing a captret setup powering a joule thief circuit.

Here is my video YouTube - automan812's Channel

Cheers

[ibpointless2]

Y'all aint listening. Size matters!

Tinkering is building devises and learning, construct, observe and learn. Take what you learn and apply it to the next phase.

I told y'all that small caps ain't gonna do it, so wast away your time as it ain't mine.

I build huge electrolytic capacitors from scratch, the type that cost hundreds $ to buy, they cost a few bucks to make.

What do I use?, I told yall already. I get my Al foil and Paper from Kitchen Supply warehouse or Costco etc. I use soda cans etc for container and corrugated plastic for lid (free from election signs).

I can charge 12v lead acid and light cfl @ same time, but I aint gonna sppon feed you.

If you build it they will come!

Would you guys have believed me if i didn't make the youtube video of my captrets. Trust me, make a how to video and we will be more than happy to listen.

[Jbignes5]

Could you help me with another take on this?

I am testing a captret setup powering a joule thief circuit.

Here is my video YouTube - automan812's Channel

Cheers

I think I have duplicated the effect not using the "Captret" but I need someone else to help me with it to test it out.

What I have done is this. I simulated the captret by using a single electrolytic in the normal fashion. Well let me see if I can scan the schematic into my online picture file...



Where it says simulates leakage the total resistance is 322k plus a small pot of 100 ohms. It was all I had. I would suggest a 200k ohm hard resister with a 100-150k pot or whatever the combo would be. I can not get my setup to go down in voltage so lets see what you can do. My setup was limited.

Also from what I can see on the o scope there is a signal just like the captret. In fact it look just like it but bigger in amplitude.

[ibpointless2]

I've disconnected my original captret charger and let it sit for 12 hours to see if there is any phantom voltage. Keep in mind this setup has been hooked up for over a week now, and went from a standing voltage of 17.17 to 17.30.

I get home today after letting the 2 dead 9 volt battery sit for 12 hours disconnected from the circuit and i find that battery didn't drop. Nope didn't drop one bit.

now i'm going to sound crazy but the voltage keeps going up. its now at 17.31 volts and wants to climb up to 17.32 volts. Just from sitting it wants to keep going up. The two batteries are not connected to anything, they just sit there. Could it be the captret condition the batteries to a new state, where they don't discharge when at rest but instead go up?

How can this be happening? It was hooked up for over a week, never lost a charge but gained in voltage. Can't be a phantom voltage because it would have shown within a day or two. Before the experiment was started i let the two batteries sit for a day before connecting it to the captret. I let it run for a week and in that time it went from a standing voltage of 17.17 to 17.30. This morning i disconnected it from the circuit and let it rest for 12 hours. I get home to check it and its at 17.31 and wants to climb up to 17.32. I've never seen this before. The best answer i can give is that the captret reconditions the battery to a new state.

[ibpointless2]

I think I have duplicated the effect not using the "Captret" but I need someone else to help me with it to test it out.

What I have done is this. I simulated the captret by using a single electrolytic in the normal fashion. Well let me see if I can scan the schematic into my online picture file...



Where it says simulates leakage the total resistance is 322k plus a small pot of 100 ohms. It was all I had. I would suggest a 200k ohm hard resister with a 100-150k pot or whatever the combo would be. I can not get my setup to go down in voltage so lets see what you can do. My setup was limited.

Also from what I can see on the o scope there is a signal just like the captret. In fact it look just like it but bigger in amplitude.

I'm testing it now.

It lights up a LED but it doesn't seem to be the captret effect, because the voltage keeps going down instead of up.

And now i'm taking that back. Checking the voltage before i post it seems it went down to 6.01 volts and now is climbing back up. Good job!

I'm using 104 caps instead of the 103. I'm using a 220uf 50 volt cap and i'm using a 1k ohm resistor and no pot.

It seems to be working like the captret, so far.

Now up to 6.23 volts and climbing. Standing voltage was 8.14.

[Jbignes5]

Well Sort of...

I've disconnected my original captret charger and let it sit for 12 hours to see if there is any phantom voltage. Keep in mind this setup has been hooked up for over a week now, and went from a standing voltage of 17.17 to 17.30.

I get home today after letting the 2 dead 9 volt battery sit for 12 hours disconnected from the circuit and i find that battery didn't drop. Nope didn't drop one bit.

now i'm going to sound crazy but the voltage keeps going up. its now at 17.31 volts and wants to climb up to 17.32 volts. Just from sitting it wants to keep going up. The two batteries are not connected to anything, they just sit there. Could it be the captret condition the batteries to a new state, where they don't discharge when at rest but instead go up?

How can this be happening? It was hooked up for over a week, never lost a charge but gained in voltage. Can't be a phantom voltage because it would have shown within a day or two. Before the experiment was started i let the two batteries sit for a day before connecting it to the captret. I let it run for a week and in that time it went from a standing voltage of 17.17 to 17.30. This morning i disconnected it from the circuit and let it rest for 12 hours. I get home to check it and its at 17.31 and wants to climb up to 17.32. I've never seen this before. The best answer i can give is that the captret reconditions the battery to a new state.

Much like the Bedini chargers I believe this setup creates a flow withing the battery or allows one. Kinda like a slow leak but in reverse. The type of voltage we are putting back into the battery looks like it is very "fluffy" but this fluffy voltage allows the chemicals to remix and flow again. The o scope shows a signal present on the battery itself after exposure to the frequency even when the captret has been disconnected.

My new setup the "simulation" has a clearer signal going back to the battery. My test battery a 3.8 volt nimh 800 ah battery has this signal now after I disconnected it from the device. I made sure this new old battery didn't have the signal in the first place but now it does. I'm gonna let it sit for a few days in a metal box to see if it goes away...

[redrichie]

Finally it is time for data. Ibp a load test has to be done if any validity is to be established. If a load is hooked and the batteries die right away than we are not be seeing real charge. Also if the loaded voltage is actually higher than the original voltage then conditioning of the battery may help it hold more charge over time. Good luck and good job.

I've disconnected my original captret charger and let it sit for 12 hours to see if there is any phantom voltage. Keep in mind this setup has been hooked up for over a week now, and went from a standing voltage of 17.17 to 17.30.

I get home today after letting the 2 dead 9 volt battery sit for 12 hours disconnected from the circuit and i find that battery didn't drop. Nope didn't drop one bit.

now i'm going to sound crazy but the voltage keeps going up. its now at 17.31 volts and wants to climb up to 17.32 volts. Just from sitting it wants to keep going up. The two batteries are not connected to anything, they just sit there. Could it be the captret condition the batteries to a new state, where they don't discharge when at rest but instead go up?

How can this be happening? It was hooked up for over a week, never lost a charge but gained in voltage. Can't be a phantom voltage because it would have shown within a day or two. Before the experiment was started i let the two batteries sit for a day before connecting it to the captret. I let it run for a week and in that time it went from a standing voltage of 17.17 to 17.30. This morning i disconnected it from the circuit and let it rest for 12 hours. I get home to check it and its at 17.31 and wants to climb up to 17.32. I've never seen this before. The best answer i can give is that the captret reconditions the battery to a new state.